I found interesting article on the net, about a report signed by quite a number of high-tech veterans who warn that autonomous weapons from China may become a serious threat to the world, very soon:
Dream Master wrote to hollowone <=-
Re: China to lead AI by 2030? Security Threats, report
By: hollowone to All on Tue Mar 02 2021 12:00 pm
I found interesting article on the net, about a report signed by quite a number of high-tech veterans who warn that autonomous weapons from China may become a serious threat to the world, very soon:
I've always made the claim when talking to people about AI and
automation, "Have you seen Terminator?" They laugh, I laugh, the
toaster laughs.
I found interesting article on the net, about a report signed by quite a number
of high-tech veterans who warn that autonomous weapons from China may become a >erious threat to the world, very soon:
I've always made the claim when talking to people about AI and automation, "Hav
you seen Terminator?" They laugh, I laugh, the toaster laughs.
Dumas Walker wrote to DREAM MASTER <=-
I've always made the claim when talking to people about AI and automation, "Hav
you seen Terminator?" They laugh, I laugh, the toaster laughs.
I hate it when the toaster laughs.
But it's even more annoying when the
toaster constantly asks "Would you l
some toast?"
Dr. What wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
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Dumas Walker wrote to DREAM MASTER <=-
I've always made the claim when talking to people about AI and automation,
"Hav
you seen Terminator?" They laugh, I laugh, the toaster laughs.
I hate it when the toaster laughs.
But it's even more annoying when the toaster constantly asks "Would you like some toast?"
It's even more annoying when the toaser is disabled and your service cancelled by the company, because you posted a tweet that is not aligned with their values.
That's the free market, baby! Hooray Capitalism!
Dr. What wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
But it's even more annoying when the toaster constantly asks "Would you like some toast?"
Mantrid wrote to Dr. What <=-
But it's even more annoying when the
toaster constantly asks "Would you l
some toast?"
ah so you're a waffle man!
Boraxman wrote to Dr. What <=-
It's even more annoying when the toaser is disabled and your service cancelled by the company, because you posted a tweet that is not
aligned with their values.
In all seriousness, why does my toaster have electronics, a standby light, a cancel button and a bagel setting?
Dumas Walker wrote to HOLLOWONE <=-
I found interesting article on the net, about a report signed by quite a number
of high-tech veterans who warn that autonomous weapons from China may become
erious threat to the world, very soon:
Intentionally or not, they've already proven what they can do with a virus.
Why not AI, too?
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dr. What <=-
Dr. What wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
But it's even more annoying when the toaster constantly asks "Would you like some toast?"
I'm more concerned about the elevators. When they build them with AI,
you know the end is near.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Boraxman <=-
Boraxman wrote to Dr. What <=-
It's even more annoying when the toaser is disabled and your service cancelled by the company, because you posted a tweet that is not
aligned with their values.
In all seriousness, why does my toaster have electronics, a standby
light, a cancel button and a bagel setting?
It needs a rheostat to control the toasting time and a spring-loaded handle that pops when you're done, or when you manually lift it. And
done.
I hate it when the toaster laughs.
But it's even more annoying when the toaster constantly asks "Would you like some toast?"
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
In all seriousness, why does my toaster have electronics, a standby light, a cancel button and a bagel setting?
What do you mean by "electronics"? It needs electricity in order
to toast things.
Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-
I hate it when the toaster laughs.
But it's even more annoying when the toaster constantly asks "Would you like some toast?"
My appliances have not started talking, yet. :O
No it's not. It's a company claiming no responsibility because "it's a platform not a publisher" then turning around and acting like a publisher.
Together with the free market goes the rule of law.
In all seriousness, why does my toaster have electronics, a standby light, a cancel button and a bagel setting?
It needs a rheostat to control the toasting time and a spring-loaded handle that pops when you're done, or when you manually lift it. And done.
Mantrid wrote to Dr. What <=-
But it's even more annoying when the
toaster constantly asks "Would you l
some toast?"
ah so you're a waffle man!
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dr. What <=-
But it's even more annoying when the toaster constantly asks "Would you like some toast?"
I'm more concerned about the elevators. When they build them with AI,
you know the end is near.
Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-
But it's even more annoying when the toaster constantly asks "Would you like some toast?"
My appliances have not started talking, yet. :O
Boondock wrote to DaiTengu <=-
No it's not. It's a company claiming no responsibility because "it's a platform not a publisher" then turning around and acting like a
publisher.
Together with the free market goes the rule of law.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Boraxman <=-
In all seriousness, why does my toaster have electronics, a standby
light, a cancel button and a bagel setting?
Gamgee wrote to Nightfox <=-
Electronics is stuff like IC chips and CPU's.
Call me Fox Mulder, but I still am not sure how accidental that fucked up covid
thing is. I got it in December and I had a feeling it fucked up my nerve system
more than lungs. Strange experience.
My stove talks to the vent hood above it, via bluetooth. My fridge also
has some kind of bluetooth abilities that I don't even know how to use
(and don't care).
Oh, I get it, you don't really want small government and fewer regulations. Thanks for clearing that up.You're being deliberately obtuse.
But for Lefties, it's always "Rules for thee, but not for me."One of the fundamental issues is that "Justice must not only be done, but be seen to be done".
Lefties think that rules/laws are for others.
Dr. What wrote to Gamgee <=-
Electronics is stuff like IC chips and CPU's.
Which is what's in my newest toaster oven.
Which has 5 different settings (of which we have used, at most, 2
- toast, bake).
Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-
My stove talks to the vent hood above it, via bluetooth. My fridge also
has some kind of bluetooth abilities that I don't even know how to use
(and don't care).
Just as long as some hacker doesn't figure it out! :O
I hate it when the toaster laughs.
But it's even more annoying when the toaster constantly asks "Would you like some toast?"
My appliances have not started talking, yet. :O
DaiTengu wrote to Boraxman <=-
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Re: China to lead AI by 2030?
By: Boraxman to Dr. What on
Thu Mar 04 2021 11:23 pm
It's even more annoying when the toaser is disabled and your service cancelled by the company, because you posted a tweet that is not aligned with their values.
That's the free market, baby! Hooray Capitalism!
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Boraxman <=-
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Boraxman wrote to Dr. What <=-
It's even more annoying when the toaser is disabled and your service cancelled by the company, because you posted a tweet that is not
aligned with their values.
In all seriousness, why does my toaster have electronics, a standby
light, a cancel button and a bagel setting?
It needs a rheostat to control the toasting time and a spring-loaded handle that pops when you're done, or when you manually lift it. And
done.
Boondock wrote to DaiTengu <=-
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Re: China to lead AI by 2030?
By: DaiTengu to Boraxman on
Fri Mar 05 2021 00:24:57
That's the free market, baby! Hooray Capitalism!
No it's not. It's a company claiming no responsibility because "it's a platform not a publisher" then turning around and acting like a
publisher.
Oh, I get it, you don't really want small government and fewerYou're being deliberately obtuse.
regulations. Thanks for clearing that up.
What I'm saying is that you can't have your cake and eat it. It's one or the other.
Together with the free market goes the rule of law.
What about eBay pulling listings for Dr Seuss books?
But it's even more annoying when the toaster constantly asks "Would you lik
some toast?"
My appliances have not started talking, yet. :O
That can be fixed. 8)
My stove talks to the vent hood above it, via bluetooth. My fridge also has some kind of bluetooth abilities that I don't even know how to use (and don't care).
Just as long as some hacker doesn't figure it out! :O
Meh, what's the worst they could do with a fridge?
OH. WAIT. They might download my beer!!! ARGGHHHHHHH! ;-)
My appliances have not started talking, yet. :O
If something walks out of the refrigerator, let it go. <G>
Mantrid wrote to Dr. What <=-
But it's even more annoying when the
toaster constantly asks "Would you l
some toast?"
ah so you're a waffle man!
Actually, I'm more of a Red Dwarf man.
I don't want a Talkie Toaster in my home. 8)
BoonDock wrote to Dr. What <=-
But for Lefties, it's always "Rules for thee, but not for me."
Lefties think that rules/laws are for others.
One of the fundamental issues is that "Justice must not only be done,
but be seen to be done".
Gamgee wrote to Dr. What <=-
Well, yes, I realize that. What I guess I was meaning to say is that toasters didn't used to have that stuff. A toaster can work just fine without "electronics". Granted, it's a more simple device, but it will toast bread. I think what you're describing is what I'd call a
"toaster oven", not a "toaster". To me, there's a difference.
Mantrid wrote to Dr. What <=-
Actually, I'm more of a Red Dwarf man.
I don't want a Talkie Toaster in my home. 8)
yeah, "ah so you're a waffle man" is a talkie toaster quote after badgering lister for ages listing every other bread-based product :D
Daryl Stout wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
If something walks out of the refrigerator, let it go. <G>
Boraxman wrote to Boondock <=-
What about eBay pulling listings for Dr Seuss books? Banks cancelling accounts? Companies firing people?
It's clear that a small number of people are able to control what
happens, which is a feature of capitalism.
Dang! Missed that. I think I need
start re-watching Red Dwarf. It's
been too long.
I totally agree. But it's getting harder and harder to get appliances **without** smarts. Take TVs for example...
Dr. What wrote to Gamgee <=-
Well, yes, I realize that. What I guess I was meaning to say is that toasters didn't used to have that stuff. A toaster can work just fine without "electronics". Granted, it's a more simple device, but it will toast bread. I think what you're describing is what I'd call a
"toaster oven", not a "toaster". To me, there's a difference.
I totally agree. But it's getting harder and harder to get
appliances **without** smarts. Take TVs for example...
Boondock wrote to DaiTengu <=-
That's the free market, baby! Hooray Capitalism!
No it's not. It's a company claiming no responsibility because "it's a platform not a publisher" then turning around and acting like a
publisher.
Together with the free market goes the rule of law.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dr. What <=-
@TZ: 41e0
Dr. What wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
But it's even more annoying when the toaster constantly asks "Would you like some toast?"
I'm more concerned about the elevators. When they build them with
AI, you know the end is near.
Ogg wrote to Boraxman <=-
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Hello Boraxman!
** On Sunday 07.03.21 - 15:33, Boraxman wrote to Boondock:
Together with the free market goes the rule of law.
What about eBay pulling listings for Dr Seuss books?
That's not happening now, is it? I see many listings for one of
the culled titles, "If I Ran A Zoo"
Or.. just visit abebooks.com and see the cheapest one for $1000.
Nuts.
Dr. What wrote to Boraxman <=-
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Boraxman wrote to Boondock <=-
What about eBay pulling listings for Dr Seuss books? Banks cancelling accounts? Companies firing people?
It's clear that a small number of people are able to control what
happens, which is a feature of capitalism.
Another feature of capitalism is that if eBay won't allow you to sell
you items, you go to another service. After all, if Company 1 doesn't satify their users, Company 2 is just waiting to take their customers.
Bank cancels your account? Sue for breach of contract, or go to
another bank.
Got fired? Go to a better company.
That's capitalism. Those small number of "control freaks" will change their way soon, or go out of business.
Again, why is eBay even doing this? You missed it completely.
If MasterCard/Visa decide that
platforms which sell these books shouldn't use their processor payment services, game over for freedom.
Don't you realise you have an authoritarian system now? Free Capitalism is DEAD.
Or.. just visit abebooks.com and see the cheapest one for $1000.
Nuts.
https://www.businessinsider.in/retail/news/ebay-is-removing-listings-for-t he-dr-seuss-books-that-the-authors-estate-pulled-due-to-their-racist-image ry/articleshow/81354015.cms
They can't get the all. But the fact they are even trying is concerning.
Dumas Walker wrote to HOLLOWONE <=-
Call me Fox Mulder, but I still am not sure how accidental that fucked up covid
thing is. I got it in December and I had a feeling it fucked up my nerve system
more than lungs. Strange experience.
OK, Fox, then I guess I am one of those three guys from The Smoking Gun
or the Grassy Knoll or whatever they called themselves as I suspect it
was not entirely accidental, especially the last bit... allowing thousands/millions to get on planes going out of the hot zone before
they closed the airports.
They already knew they had a problem but were not yet admitting to it.
Dream Master wrote to Boondock <=-
No it's not. It's a company claiming no responsibility because "it's a platform not a publisher" then turning around and acting like a
publisher.
Together with the free market goes the rule of law.
There's a problem with this belief. Why should a platform be held responsible for the content written by someone who is not
an employee or designate of the company? If you're on Facebook and
choose to write something, in your personal capacity,
those are your words and nothing more. If, on the other hand, you work for Facebook and write something, you are speaking
for the company and are responsible for those words.
Boraxman wrote to Dr. What <=-
It's clear that a small number of people are able to control what
happens, which is a feature of capitalism.
Boraxman wrote to Dr. What <=-
Like when the Big Tech companies colluded to ban Alex Jones, or get rid
of Parler?
Yeah, keep believing that myth that you can "just go elsewhere". We've seen the collusion, we see how they all support the same ideology, and
are all willing to work together.
Again, why is eBay even doing this? You missed it completely. One company decided to stop production of books, and an unrelated company
went along. That alone should indicate how it works. If
MasterCard/Visa decide that platforms which sell these books shouldn't
use their processor payment services, game over for freedom.
Don't you realise you have an authoritarian system now? Free
Capitalism is DEAD.
Gamgee wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
@TZ: 4168
Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-
I hate it when the toaster laughs.
But it's even more annoying when the toaster constantly asks "Would you like some toast?"
My appliances have not started talking, yet. :O
My stove talks to the vent hood above it, via bluetooth. My fridge
also has some kind of bluetooth abilities that I don't even know how
to use (and don't care).
Dr. What wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
@TZ: 412c
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Boraxman <=-
To make a long story short, after spend time talking to the B&D
people, I found that gov't regulations wouldn't allow them
to make the good kind anymore. It consumed "too much" power. So
now in order to make my toast, it simply took longer -
and didn't save a single watt.
Dr. What wrote to BoonDock <=-
@TZ: 412c
BoonDock wrote to Dr. What <=-
But for Lefties, it's always "Rules for thee, but not for me."
Lefties think that rules/laws are for others.
One of the fundamental issues is that "Justice must not only be done,
but be seen to be done".
Yup. That's why many people are upset over the last election.
Putting aside the issues of voter fraud and who won...
There were many instances of provable mishandling or outright buying
of votes. Those people need to be shown to be proceuted in order
for people to have faith in the voting process.
Some people have, but too many haven't been prosecuted.
Dream Master wrote to Boondock <=-
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Boondock wrote to DaiTengu <=-
That's the free market, baby! Hooray Capitalism!
No it's not. It's a company claiming no responsibility because "it's a platform not a publisher" then turning around and acting like a
publisher.
Together with the free market goes the rule of law.
There's a problem with this belief. Why should a platform be held responsible for the content written by someone who is not
an employee or designate of the company? If you're on Facebook and
choose to write something, in your personal capacity,
those are your words and nothing more. If, on the other hand, you work for Facebook and write something, you are speaking
for the company and are responsible for those words.
This is exactly why many companies have policies that strictly enforce communication from employees on Social Media. As an
example, if you post something about your company on LinkedIn, and you aren't authorized to do so, you could easily be
terminated for misrepresenting the company. Even if I go onto LinkedIn and post something great about my employer, I am
still not authorized to speak regarding them. Can I share links of
their content on my personal page, yes, can I comment
about them, no.
Ogg wrote to Boraxman <=-
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Again, why is eBay even doing this? You missed it completely.
Somebody complained to eBay. "People are listing racist books!"
:(
If MasterCard/Visa decide that
platforms which sell these books shouldn't use their processor payment services, game over for freedom.
It wouldn't be a problem in my shop! The metadata for the details of
the specific product do not get transferred over the POS device.
Product details remain in-house or my memory.
Don't you realise you have an authoritarian system now? Free Capitalism is DEAD.
Not dead here. https://ashlies.ca
If I can get it, I'll sell it.
Boondock wrote to Boraxman <=-
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Boraxman wrote to Dr. What <=-
It's clear that a small number of people are able to control what
happens, which is a feature of capitalism.
You've got that arse-about-face.
The actual *feature* of capitalism is that you don't have to accept monopolistic solutions crammed down your maw. You can vote with your
feet, or your wallet, or even just with the choices you make. People
have forgotten this, but they are slowly remembering. Look at what happened with Whatsapp and losing over 100 million users over the
course of a few days because they were arrogant enough to say "we are changing our TOS and if you don't like it, you can stop using our
product" so 100 million did. THAT's the feature of capitalism...
Boondock wrote to Boraxman <=-
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Boraxman wrote to Dr. What <=-
Like when the Big Tech companies colluded to ban Alex Jones, or get rid
of Parler?
Yeah, keep believing that myth that you can "just go elsewhere". We've seen the collusion, we see how they all support the same ideology, and
are all willing to work together.
Again, why is eBay even doing this? You missed it completely. One company decided to stop production of books, and an unrelated company
went along. That alone should indicate how it works. If
MasterCard/Visa decide that platforms which sell these books shouldn't
use their processor payment services, game over for freedom.
Don't you realise you have an authoritarian system now? Free
Capitalism is DEAD.
Thinking more about this. What I suspect you're missing here is that
this is why Trump won in 2016. Because people saw in him the
possibility of a different option. They were (mostly) disppointed, but what became increasingly evident was that at least half the people in
the US are sick of this exact point and are actively seeking means to correct it. It is the authatariansim of the woke/identity culture.
People are sick of it, and they rebelling against it.
My appliances have not started talking, yet. :O
If something walks out of the refrigerator, let it go. <G>
That sounds like a good strategy. :)
If something walks out of the refrigerator, let it go. <G>
Standard rule for college food: If you stick your fork in it and is screams, eat it. It's fresh.
Just as long as some hacker doesn't figure it out! :O
Meh, what's the worst they could do with a fridge?
OH. WAIT. They might download my beer!!! ARGGHHHHHHH! ;-)
What about eBay pulling listings for Dr Seuss books? Banks cancelling accounts? Companies firing people?
Boraxman wrote to Boondock <=-
The actual *feature* of capitalism is that you don't have to accept monopolistic solutions crammed down your maw. You can vote with your
feet, or your wallet, or even just with the choices you make. People
have forgotten this, but they are slowly remembering. Look at what happened with Whatsapp and losing over 100 million users over the
course of a few days because they were arrogant enough to say "we are changing our TOS and if you don't like it, you can stop using our
product" so 100 million did. THAT's the feature of capitalism...
So when multi-nationals make social statements, give money to BLM,
thats all the employees choosing to do that???
Boraxman wrote to Boondock <=-
As they should. But you have to be effective. Why didn't Trump
support another platform? He could have stuck it to Twitter by using
Gab instead, but didn't. Tim Pool lamented about how billionaires complain about Big Tech, but do nothing.
I'm aware this is why Trump won, but I think people weren't sure of exactly how they could counteract it. In 2016, it seemed at the timeExactly.
that it was just campus loonies, but then business piled in.
Boraxman wrote to Dream Master <=-
They shouldn't be responsible, that is my point. But they talk as ifPrecisely!
they ARE responsible for what is posted. They censor because they
believe they have a responsibility to shift speech. Fine, if you want
to claim the right to modify speech in your platform, because if your companies vision or needs, then do so, but then you have to accept all responsibility.
Boraxman wrote to Ogg <=-
What if they have a problem with your shop? Maybe not your
specifically, but a shop that sells products with a political message
they believe isn't inline with their values. I believe more and more, companies will cut off those that don't align with their values. The discussion is shifting to justify this. It will get worse.
Daryl Stout wrote to Boraxman <=-
belch, or fart in public. If that's the case, the entire planet needs
to explode in a ball of fire right now...as that's probably what would happen if every creature, man and beast, farted simultaneously, and
some idiot struck a match.
Gamgee wrote to Dr. What <=-
I totally agree. But it's getting harder and harder to get
appliances **without** smarts. Take TVs for example...
Oh yes, sure enough. I love my manual can opener. ;-)
Boraxman wrote to Dr. What <=-
Like when the Big Tech companies colluded to ban Alex Jones, or get rid
of Parler?
Yeah, keep believing that myth that you can "just go elsewhere". We've seen the collusion, we see how they all support the same ideology, and
are all willing to work together.
Again, why is eBay even doing this?
If
MasterCard/Visa decide that platforms which sell these books shouldn't
use their processor payment services, game over for freedom.
Don't you realise you have an authoritarian system now? Free
Capitalism is DEAD.
Daryl Stout wrote to Boraxman <=-
Never mind "cancelling" the classic Looney Tunes characters, because
of the violence.
Next thing you know, they're going to be offended if you sneeze,
belch, or fart in public.
Ogg wrote to Boraxman <=-
Imho, some of the potty books for boys or girls are borderline
creepy.
And all that surrounded by general news that in China, only about 80k of people
got infected, while we already had millions world wide. They still have 80k or >so officially.. why to bother about protection suits so much then...
One of the most cognitive dissonance causing things about moving to
Panama is that here if a man is found in the street without his shirt
on, it's a spot fine of $10. It's the same thing, it's allowing one
group of people to dictate on a National level, what local actions
should be without taking into account local conditions, norms etc. This
is a beach town for crying out loud..
Oh! You bring back something I was really pissed at. But this shows
how long this political correctness has been going on.
To set it up: when I was young, I was really a couch potato and I loved the cartoons - especially Road Runner. Of course, one of the funny
parts of that was how the coyote kept blowing himself up.
came to the coyote blowing himself up, or hitting the ground hard, they CUT THAT PART OUT! It was so freaking OBVIOUS that they cut it. Why? "Too violent", they said. Yet they didn't cut any of the evening news
that showed REAL people getting hurt.
Next thing you know, they're going to be offended if you sneeze,
belch, or fart in public.
Damn! I'm going to be big trouble then. 8)
... Have a cold? Let me introduce you to Doc Jack Kevorkian.
Dr. What wrote to Gamgee <=-
I totally agree. But it's getting harder and harder to get
appliances **without** smarts. Take TVs for example...
Oh yes, sure enough. I love my manual can opener. ;-)
I do to. I can't remember where my electric one is. I may have Goodwilled it.
But I certainly won't buy a TV with built-in Internet or any kind
of Alexa/Siri/etc. functionality.
Daryl Stout wrote to Boraxman <=-
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What about eBay pulling listings for Dr Seuss books? Banks cancelling accounts? Companies firing people?
Never mind "cancelling" the classic Looney Tunes characters, because
of the violence.
There was a political cartoon, that showed this huge guillotine, with the "Woke Executioner" saying "I'm going to need another basket". In
line to be executed are The Cat In The Hat, Mister Ed, Abraham Lincon,
and a whole slew of others.
Next thing you know, they're going to be offended if you sneeze,
belch, or fart in public. If that's the case, the entire planet needs
to explode in a ball of fire right now...as that's probably what would happen if every creature, man and beast, farted simultaneously, and
some idiot struck a match.
Boondock wrote to Boraxman <=-
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Boraxman wrote to Boondock <=-
The actual *feature* of capitalism is that you don't have to accept monopolistic solutions crammed down your maw. You can vote with your
feet, or your wallet, or even just with the choices you make. People
have forgotten this, but they are slowly remembering. Look at what happened with Whatsapp and losing over 100 million users over the
course of a few days because they were arrogant enough to say "we are changing our TOS and if you don't like it, you can stop using our
product" so 100 million did. THAT's the feature of capitalism...
So when multi-nationals make social statements, give money to BLM,
thats all the employees choosing to do that???
I have no idea where you get *that* from what I said.
The opposite is true. Take the situation where corporates are bowing to the woke pressure. The fact is that people *not* tking a stand, and accepting that sort of bullshit, are exhibiting a moral cowardice that
is despicble. ... Gone crazy, be back later, please leave message.
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Boraxman wrote to Ogg <=-
What if they have a problem with your shop? Maybe not your
specifically, but a shop that sells products with a political message
they believe isn't inline with their values. I believe more and more, companies will cut off those that don't align with their values. The discussion is shifting to justify this. It will get worse.
It will. What intrigues me is that the politics that *depends* on the woke/millenials etc, is now working hard to piss them off as it bows
down to the corporate whims. I'm starting to see quite clearly the "buyer's remorse" with this latest administration change as the latte drinking, gig-economy working. Dem voting begin to realise that they screwed up. Largest example is the misguided proposed Labour
legislation that is going to screw over everyone who works in the gig-economy. One of the few reasons why this is creeping into the discourse diametrically opposed to the narrative, is that a large
number of journalists will be lumped in with that group and they can
see the effect it will have on them...
One of the fundamental principles that people forget is that after the revolution the first people shot are the revolutionaries.
Dr. What wrote to Boraxman <=-
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Boraxman wrote to Dr. What <=-
Like when the Big Tech companies colluded to ban Alex Jones, or get rid
of Parler?
Yup. And the companies who have done that are already starting to
hurt. Last time I checked, Parler was back on line. Twitter took a
huge value hit. People are moving off the big tech companies - but it takes time.
Yeah, keep believing that myth that you can "just go elsewhere". We've seen the collusion, we see how they all support the same ideology, and
are all willing to work together.
I don't seem to have any problem with going elsewhere.
Again, why is eBay even doing this?
Good question. They are only hurting themselves and making people look
at the alternatives - which may not be as good, but with an influx of
new people selling, they will have the capital to make their service better.
If
MasterCard/Visa decide that platforms which sell these books shouldn't
use their processor payment services, game over for freedom.
PayPal. Cash. And that's only if they know you are selling something that they don't like. There are ways around it. And if people have to work they will look for alternatives. If there aren't, they will be
made.
Don't you realise you have an authoritarian system now? Free
Capitalism is DEAD.
Only in your country.
Not dead here. https://ashlies.ca
If I can get it, I'll sell it.
What if they have a problem with your shop? Maybe not your
specifically, but a shop that sells products with a
political message they believe isn't inline with their
values. I believe more and more, companies will cut off
those that don't align with their values. The discussion is
shifting to justify this. It will get worse.
Daryl Stout wrote to Dr. What <=-
When you tell these people that "Life is NOT "Fair" or "Burger
King"... "Fair" is a fall carnival, a weather term, and a call in baseball...and you can NOT always "Have It Your Way", it pisses them
off. I have had to deal with so many things in the last few years, that reverberated this so many times in my life. Most things I could work
with and deal with...but others, I did NOT want or need...I'll spare
you the gory details.
Another example...one political party is all over the other one, if
an individual was caught in sexual trysts. Yet, when the shoe was on
their foot, they are now strangely quiet. Talk about the pot calling
the kettle black.
The best case for the law of physics is for a vehicle trying to beat
a train at a railroad crossing. One locomotive is at least 300 tons.
Most vehicles are 1 to 2 tons. A fully loaded, long freight train
can be well over 12,000 tons. In short, it's no contest...the force exerted by a train T-boning your car is the same as you driving over
a beverage can.
The owner's son came back to my area, and told me to "turn off
the radios" (I was listening to NOAA Weather Radio, and to the
Skywarn Severe Weather Net, run by the area ham radio operators,
at the request of the National Weather Service). I snapped at
him, and said "You don't even do tornado safety drills here...
I'm not going to be caught by surprise".
In case you haven't heard, the Chinese, instead of using nasal
swabs to check one for COVID-19...they are doing it at the other end...anal swabs -- drop 'em and spread 'em...as if the entire
process wasn't demeaning enough.
Admittedly, the colonoscopy prep is a real crappy deal (pun
intended). But, if we could use the gas (farts) afterwards in our vehicles,
Gamgee wrote to Dr. What <=-
Not sure you can even find a TV like that any more. I also have no interest in, or use for, Alexa/Siri type garbage.
I can turn the
freakin light on by myself, and look out the window to know what the weather is. ;-)
Dream Master wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I was in Tempe, Arizona at the main AWS office and got into the
elevator. Besides them having a very interesting badge reader that made
me question my sanity, they also had an optical solution. I'm not sure
if it was just there to see who was in the elevator and keep an eye on everyone or if it was legitimately tracking badges, motions, or what,
as the elevator seemed to speed up as more people boarded the elevator.
Dr. What wrote to Daryl Stout <=-
Standard rule for college food: If you stick your fork in it and is screams, eat it. It's fresh.
Dr. What wrote to Gamgee <=-
I totally agree. But it's getting harder and harder to get appliances **without** smarts. Take TVs for example...
Nightfox wrote to Dr. What <=-
TVs pretty much need some smarts these days. At the minimum, if you're someone who watches over-the-air TV, TVs need to deal with digital over-the-air broadcasts. And many people watch streaming services
these days, so 'smart' TVs is where the market is.
Boraxman wrote to Dr. What <=-
Again, why is eBay even doing this? You missed it completely. One company decided to stop production of books, and an unrelated company
went along. That alone should indicate how it works. If
MasterCard/Visa decide that platforms which sell these books shouldn't
use their processor payment services, game over for freedom.
Don't you realise you have an authoritarian system now? Free
Capitalism is DEAD.
Dream Master wrote to Boondock <=-
There's a problem with this belief. Why should a platform be held responsible for the content written by someone who is not
an employee or designate of the company?
Daryl Stout wrote to Dr. What <=-
Yet, a former Sysop (he died of brain cancer last year), wanting his stuff "so rare that is was still breathing".
Boondock wrote to Dream Master <=-
Companies such as Facebook, Twitter et al, have insisted, in and out of court, that they are NOT in fact publishers, and only the providers of
the platform on which other people speak.
In different hearings/court cases etc, they have defended their choice
to censor speech based on taking a position the exact polar opposite to this.
So, as I said, they want to have their cake and eat it.
Dream Master wrote to Dr. What <=-
but it does make a damn good waffle.
Dream Master wrote to Dr. What <=-
Still, where's the fraud? Everyone keeps talking about fraud,
mishandling of votes, doing this wrong, and doing that wrong, yet, none
of it has been proven.
Dr. What wrote to Boraxman <=-
hurt. Last time I checked, Parler was back on line. Twitter took a
huge value hit. People are moving off the big tech companies - but it takes time.
Dr. What wrote to Daryl Stout <=-
Next thing you know, they're going to be offended if you sneeze,
belch, or fart in public.
Damn! I'm going to be big trouble then. 8)
I could go both ways. I have a TCL TV with Roku built-in, which is nice. I don't know how upgradeable it is, so am a little worried about obsolescence.
I bought a teeny little Roku for $25 for my dumb TV, and it's worlds faster than the TCL/Roku TV from just a few years earlier. Wondering if I'd rather replace a $25 box every couple of years instead of the whole TV.
Dr. What wrote to Gamgee <=-
Not sure you can even find a TV like that any more. I also have no interest in, or use for, Alexa/Siri type garbage.
Which is what bugs me. I can't trust the TV to keep the settings
off.
I can turn the
freakin light on by myself, and look out the window to know what the weather is. ;-)
All people need is a weather rock. Just keep it on the porch.
If it's dry, it's sunny.
If it's wet, it's rainy.
If it's white, it's snowing.
If you can't see it, it's foggy.
Oh, ya. These people have a strange idea of "fairness".
I used to think these people were just lazy, but over time I realized
what was really happening: They were still little kids. They
**wanted** the world to conform to what they wanted it to be. And if
the current rules didn't allow them to win, they wanted to change the rules so that they had won.
You see these kinds of people all the time. The guy who cuts you off because he "needs" to turn into that place **now** and you should know that and move for him. Or the lady who cuts in line because she
"needs" to checkout now and "can't" wait. I could go on, but you understand.
Lefties are always "Rules for thee, but not for me."
I've often commented that some people do things as though they failed basic Physics in High School.
The good news is that Darwin is more right than wrong. Sooner or later the stupid people take themselves out of the gene pool. We only hope
that they don't take someone with them.
I worked in a place that had us computer people in a location in the building that had no windows. One day we had really (close to tornado) bad weather and **no one in the location knew** because we couldn't see outside.
There were many workers who were **pissed** and management was very apologetic about it.
Which is the whole purpose of this scamdemic.
Been there. Done that. Hated the prep. But they do give you
**really** good stuff for the procedure. They wouldn't let me drive
home (which was a really good thing) but I certainly felt good the rest
of the day (where I could **finally** eat some good food).
Yet, a former Sysop (he died of brain cancer last year), wanting his stuff "so rare that is was still breathing".
Remind me not to invite you out to California for my annual "Chicken Tender Tartare fest".
All people need is a weather rock. Just keep it on the porch.
If it's dry, it's sunny.
If it's wet, it's rainy.
If it's white, it's snowing.
If you can't see it, it's foggy.
The elevators never made sense. Instead of keeping some at the top and some at the bottom, they'd keep them all on the middle floors and pick
up people on the way down.
Considering that the decision to stop publishing the books came from
Dr. Seuss Enterprises, founded by the Geisel family, you might think it was out of respect for the author's estate's wishes.
It was the basis of Cubby vs. Compuserve way back when. If you create
an online forum, you're a distributor of content. Compuserve maintained that they were just that, a platform for other people's content, and
they they couldn't be liable for speech on their service as they
couldn't monitor and moderate every piece of content published on their service.
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Boraxman wrote to Dr. What <=-
Again, why is eBay even doing this? You missed it completely. One company decided to stop production of books, and an unrelated company
went along. That alone should indicate how it works. If
MasterCard/Visa decide that platforms which sell these books shouldn't
use their processor payment services, game over for freedom.
Don't you realise you have an authoritarian system now? Free
Capitalism is DEAD.
Considering that the decision to stop publishing the books came from
Dr. Seuss Enterprises, founded by the Geisel family, you might think it was out of respect for the author's estate's wishes.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dr. What <=-
We are looking at new washers and dryers, and I'm seriously considering taking my old ones apart and overhauling them instead. Would cost a fraction of what it'd cost for new ones with LED displays and
electronic load sensors.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dr. What <=-
I saw a "Blazing Saddles" documentary recently, they talked about the beans around the campfire scene.
When it went into reruns, the actor who played the trail boss was told that he was the first person ever to fart on TV.
Later, every time I saw it, they'd mute the whole scene, so you'd see a bunch of cowboys lifting a leg then sitting down. Odd.
Daryl Stout wrote to Dr. What <=-
They want everything to given to them on the silver platter. Yet,
even the most powerful head of state has to sit on the toilet to take a dump just like the lowest peon in their country. So, they're really no better than you are.
habits. Yet, in the US, it's like details of the president's health physical have to be put out there for all to see.
Or that they feel that "everyone deserves a trophy". It was like a
cartoon I saw once at this race starting line. "On Your Mark!! Get
Set!! OK, everyone can come get their T-shirts now". Whether you busted your butt to prepare, or didn't do a darn thing, everyone was now on "level ground". It used to be if you didn't finish first, you worked harder to do better. But, now they have to cater to all these "snowflakes".
Yep...or they got their Drivers License from a Cracker Jack box.
I can imagine so. Had the tornado hit that building, you know there would've been lawyers chomping at the bit for a lawsuit.
Yet, colon cancer, like so many other forms of that scourge, is one
of the most preventable.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dream Master <=-
I worked in one of those LEED gold buildings in San Francisco - you
know, the high-rises where they get an ultra-low usage certification by making the water faucets work in 1/2 second spurts have the thermostats set to 74, and have the AC and lights go out at 6?
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dream Master <=-
but it does make a damn good waffle.
Even a "bad" waffle is pretty damn good.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dream Master <=-
Look at how many bills are now being passed to make it harder to vote -
in the name of said unproven voter fraud?
Daryl Stout wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I don't how many years I was part of CompuServe...never mind how much money I spent with it. I still remember my User ID...but I don't think they're online anymore.
That's true. I have a Samsung smart TV that I bought in 2015, and not long ago I found their 2015 TVs use a software platform that generally has been abandoned by Samsung and thus isn't widely supported by app developers anymore. In particular, I use Plex quite a bit and the Plex app for that Samsung TV hadn't been updated in ages. I decided to buy a Roku Stick for it, and now I usually use the Roku Stick for pretty much any streaming capability. I thought the same thing, it might make more sense to upgrade a cheaper plug-in device every so often rather than the whole TV.
This. Unless you're also planning to upgrade the image quality of your TV, for instance, the resolution or move from an LCD panel to an OLED panel, replacing the entire unit would be unnecessary and a serious waste of resources. My 55" 4K Sony Bravia from '17 does the job... the Smart TV capabilities still hold up with Netflix, Amazon Prime, YouTube and Disney+ support. When the device is no longer supported, I will probably go down the route of purchasing a streaming stick because 8K TVs are a fad and OLED TVs are still too costly to justify the expenditure.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dr. What <=-
We are looking at new washers and dryers, and I'm seriously considering taking my old ones apart and overhauling them instead. Would cost a fraction of what it'd cost for new ones with LED displays and electronic load sensors.
We got a new washer and dryer a couple years ago. Very electronic, which
is how they make them so efficient. But I've already had 2 instances where I had to unplug the washer, wait, then plug it back in for it to work correctly.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dream Master <=-
but it does make a damn good waffle.
Even a "bad" waffle is pretty damn good.
I don't know. I've eaten Eggos before. 8)
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Dream Master wrote to Boondock <=-
There's a problem with this belief. Why should a platform be held responsible for the content written by someone who is not
an employee or designate of the company? If you're on Facebook and
choose to write something, in your personal capacity,
those are your words and nothing more. If, on the other hand, you work for Facebook and write something, you are speaking
for the company and are responsible for those words.
You are conflating two completely disparate issues.
1. Employees speaking "on behalf" of the company
2. Users of the platform speaking to each other
In the first instance, compay policy is obviously important for the reasons you state.
It's the second instance that we're talking about.
If you look at the role of a publisher, in the more traditional
sense the newspaper or books publishers for example, then they have
a specific responsibility. They are held equally legally accountable together with the author for what has been published. For example,
if I write a book and it is published by company A, and later on I
am sued for Libel, then Company A is a co-defendent because as my publisher they have to exercise their due diligence during the
process of publication to ensure that what is published isn't
legally actionable. They thus can choose to either refuse to publish
what I write, or insist on redactions or modifications to what I
write before publishing. They are in fact legally obligated to do
so.
Companies such as Facebook, Twitter et al, have insisted, in and out
of court, that they are NOT in fact publishers, and only the
providers of the platform on which other people speak. THey have
used this defence to avoid being held legally accountable for the
legally actionable speech of what people have said while using their platform. One of the criteria for claiming this status (platform not publisher) is that not only do they not have the obligation to censor/monitor/take responsibility for the speech that happens on
their platform, they also, and more importantly, do not have the
*right* to do so.
In different hearings/court cases etc, they have defended their
choice to censor speech based on taking a position the exact polar opposite to this.
So, as I said, they want to have their cake and eat it.
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Dream Master wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I was in Tempe, Arizona at the main AWS office and got into the
elevator. Besides them having a very interesting badge reader that made
me question my sanity, they also had an optical solution. I'm not sure
if it was just there to see who was in the elevator and keep an eye on everyone or if it was legitimately tracking badges, motions, or what,
as the elevator seemed to speed up as more people boarded the elevator.
I worked in one of those LEED gold buildings in San Francisco - you
know, the high-rises where they get an ultra-low usage certification
by making the water faucets work in 1/2 second spurts have the
thermostats set to 74, and have the AC and lights go out at 6?
The elevators never made sense. Instead of keeping some at the top
and some at the bottom, they'd keep them all on the middle floors
and pick up people on the way down.
If you were at the lobby waiting for one, you'd need to wait a while
for the elevator to come down. If you were at the top wanting to go
down, it'd come from the middle floor, pick up a few people going
between floors, then get you - and get more people on the way down.
It took forever. We were on 2,3,4,5 and 9, luckily they finally
opened the stairwell so we could walk from floor to floor.
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Dream Master wrote to Dr. What <=-
Still, where's the fraud? Everyone keeps talking about fraud,
mishandling of votes, doing this wrong, and doing that wrong, yet, none
of it has been proven.
For a certain base, you don't need to prove it - you build a
narrative talking about fraud, and it becomes the story.
Look at how many bills are now being passed to make it harder to
vote - in the name of said unproven voter fraud?
The narrative continues because it works to further the agenda.
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
and if something goes out on it you might not be able to have it
replaced as easily as an older washer or dryer.
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
We got a new washer and dryer a couple years ago. Very electronic, which
is how they make them so efficient. But I've already had 2 instances where I had to unplug the washer, wait, then plug it back in for it to work correctly.
and if something goes out on it you might not be able to have it
replaced as easily as an older washer or dryer.
i still have an older washer i need to have fixed. it just doesnt
do the spin cycle. it's huge and awesome. i bought a cheap new
one because i didnt want to go through the hassle of getting a
repair man to work on it.
even the most powerful head of state has to sit on the toilet to take a dump just like the lowest peon in their country. So, they're really no better than you are.
But you'll never convince them of that.
habits. Yet, in the US, it's like details of the president's health physical have to be put out there for all to see.
Yet we still haven't neard of any real medical professional tell us
about Biden's mental health (or lack there of).
harder to do better. But, now they have to cater to all these "snowflakes".
But that was part of the conditioning. Remember The Incredibles?
The scene when the villian says "With my inventions everyone will be Super. And if everyone's Super, no one will be."
So when they go to a Leftie "college" to "learn" and get a useless
degree they get mad when they waltz into a company and aren't treated
like the 20 year veteran who pushed the company to record profits.
States still don't require people pass an IQ test to get a driver's license.
Fortunately, it wasn't that bad. But there were many paniced parents
who had latchkey kids who had come home from school by then.
Which is the only reason I put up with those checks. Not the high
point of my year.
I remember getting a free month of Compu$erve with some modem software
one year and trying it out.
I was appalled at the poor value compared to other services at the
time.
Yeah, my current living room TV (with the Roku Stick) is a Samsung 55" 4K/3D TV that I bought in 2015. I still think it looks good. I'm not sure when I'd upgrade to an 8K TV, as I'd think the TV would have to be pretty big to notice the difference of 8K. 55" might even be hard to notice the difference between 1080p and 4K (though I have a smaller 4K monitor for my desktop PC).
Also I still like the ability to watch 3D content if I wanted to. I have some 3D movies on blu-ray, although it seems like 3D may have been a passing fad, as I don't see much new 3D content anymore. I haven't seen any new TVs advertising 3D for a few years, but I was talking to a Best Buy employee a couple years ago who said at least some TVs still support 3D even if they don't advertise it. I still occasionally see new 3D releases on blu-ray.
Daryl Stout wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I don't how many years I was part of CompuServe...never mind how much money I spent with it. I still remember my User ID...but I don't think they're online anymore.
Dr. What wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I won't watch it on TV. The first time I saw it on TV, they dubbed the fart sounds with horses neighing. Stupid and completely ruins it.
They should have just removed the scene completely for TV.
Dr. What wrote to Daryl Stout <=-
The "trophy for everyone" was to condition kids to believe that
everyone is "equal" in that they all perform the same - not that they
have the same opportunity to be the best.
Daryl Stout wrote to Dr. What <=-
Yet we still haven't neard of any real medical professional tell us
about Biden's mental health (or lack there of).
I think "actions speak louder than words" applies here.
Yep. It's like the deal from George Orwell's "Animal Farm" -- "All animals are equal. But some are more equal than others". I read that
one back in high school, but only skimmed "1984".
These will likely be the first ones whose heads will roll. Tyrannical rulers get rid of the "useful idiots" once they're done with them.
Arkansas...the State of Arkansas converted the Florida Restricted
License to an Arkansas Operators License. They must've taken the
Drivers Education Course into consideration, as my brother and I never
did have to take "the operators test".
In the US, you have to wait and least a year and a day between procedures, or Medicare won't cover it. It has been 3 years, and since I've had benign polyps before, I'm classed as a moderate to high risk. Thankfully, polyps are slow growing, and the gastrointerologist felt
that 3 years was a good enough interim time.
Daryl Stout wrote to Dr. What <=-
I had heard of Prodigy and several others, but except for the ones
noted above, I didn't use anything else.
Andeddu wrote to Nightfox <=-
I don't think 8K will be popular in the near future as you'd require a 75"+ panel or you'd have to be sitting very close to a normal 55" TV to notice the difference.
I think 3D fizzled out around 2013-15. I remember it was big for a
while then it died a death. It's pretty cool but it never really caught
on with the masses.
Another feature of capitalism is that if eBay won't allow you to sell you items, you go to another service. After all, if Company 1 doesn't satify their users, Company 2 is just waiting to take their customers.
Bank cancels your account? Sue for breach of contract, or go to another bank.
Got fired? Go to a better company.
But contrast that with all the "experts" that said that Trump was unstable.
They are already blocking out BLM and other groups. It's only a matter
of time before they start hitting Antifa hard.
I think I only had to do the driving test once: when I was taking
driver's training. The state
had changed their policy to NOT require the driving part of the test
when renewing your license.
Model A Ford. It was funny
to watch the driving instructor just cross of a bunch of things on the check list (ex. a Model A
has no seatbelts) and basically say "if you can get this started,
moving and park, you're set because
I have no idea how to do it."
I lucked out and for a 10 year repreieve for the full exam. But the doctor still needs to do the finger test
every couple of years. *yuck*
Then there was PC-Pursuit which let you connect to BBSs off hours
without the long distance fees.
Dr. What wrote to Daryl Stout <=-
But contrast that with all the "experts" that said that Trump was unstable.
I don't think 8K will be popular in the near future as you'd require a 75"+ panel or you'd have to be sitting very close to a normal 55" TV to notice the difference.
As I've said to my friend who was touting high-def TV, "High-def drivel is still drivel."
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But contrast that with all the "experts" that said that Trump was unstable.
And Biden is still "biden his time"...still no news conference.
Maybe they need to redo the Oval Office to the Biden Basement, where
he'll be more comfortable. :P
They are already blocking out BLM and other groups. It's only a matter
of time before they start hitting Antifa hard.
I saw folks are rioting in the "blue cities" again...and the folks
are complaining at the border that Biden "promised them" the
benefits. There is no such thing as an honest politician...lawyers
are the larval form of such. As the tagline notes "Jury: A group of
people trying to decide which side has the best lawyers".
I think I only had to do the driving test once: when I was taking
driver's training. The state
had changed their policy to NOT require the driving part of the test
when renewing your license.
They require a vision test to check for peripheral vision, but you
don't have to do a second driving test.
Get kicked off a social network? Go go another one!
4K itself is just a marketing gimmick to get people to upgrade their televisions. Again, I have a medium sized 55" 4K TV and sit slightly over 2 meters away from it which renders 4K indistinguishable from 1080p. Sony and Microsoft are falling over themselves to push 4K gaming resolutions, resulting
in the requirement for 4x the GPU processing power, for something that most people are not going to be able to detect. I understand that 4K is an advantage
for PC users who are sitting only half a meter away from their 22"-27" monitors, there you can see the difference. I'll never get an 8K television unless I become so fabulously wealthy I could afford to live in a property big
enough to house an 86" TV.
Get kicked off a social network? Go go another one!
DaiTengu
I notice the difference between 1080p and 4k... that said, I still have
most media at 1080p because it isn't worth the extra drive space... I
also have most of my content in h.265 because I prefer the fallback rendering degradation better than h.264 (blurry vs blocky).
AI upscaling on higher end NVidia GPUs seems to bridge the gap to 4k
pretty well, still need a decently powerful CPU to keep up though. That close 1440p seems to be the sweet spot. I'm using a 32" 1440p display
as the 42" 4k was just too much neck strain I wound up not using the
outside perimeter for day to day use when I started working at home.
Agreed on the 8k though... would be good if you're doing a *lot* of
reading to have that super high pixel density, but other than that,
doesn't really do much and even then e-ink is a better option for that.
Andeddu wrote to Dr. What <=-
4K itself is just a marketing gimmick to get people to upgrade their televisions. Again, I have a medium sized 55" 4K TV and sit slightly
over 2 meters away from it which renders 4K indistinguishable from
1080p.
Sony and Microsoft are falling over themselves to push 4K gaming resolutions, resulting in the requirement for 4x the GPU processing
power, for something that most people are not going to be able to
detect.
Sony and Microsoft are falling over themselves to push 4K gaming resolutions, resulting
the requirement for 4x the GPU processing
power, for something that most people are not going to be able to detect.
Nope. I enjoy playing old text based adventures and if I want a graphic game, I fire up my C64.
"Pretty pictures" do not make a game, but making a good, fun, playable
game is hard (and companies need to actually pay someone good money
to make one).
I do agree now that with AMD's RDNA2 and nVidia's DLSS, 4K can by achieved relatively easily by lower end cards via upscaling. My previous comment is only
really valid in relation to the mid-gen console refreshes, the PS4 Pro and XboxONE X. I think 1440p is the sweet spot also. I wish computer manufacturers
realised this as I would be interested in a 1440p gaming laptop with a 15" or 17" panel. 4K panels are a total waste at that size.
I pretty much jumped out of gamming because it was about to become
a money sink. There is this trend that you have to purchse thousands
of dollar in gamming equipment just so you can play current games multiplayer, and when you get the game, it is loaded up with DLCs
and in-game purchases polluting the experience.
IMO it is more cost effective to stick to games that are less resource intensive but still fun. There is still a powerful Command and Conquer community doing multiplayer :-P I think the 5th to 6th generation of consoles was the golden age since we got games that were sold in a
complete state which were actually fun without addons, yet they were
very visual already.
And yes, I still play lots of bsdgames. I love Trek, and Rogue rocks.
Nope. I enjoy playing old text based adventures and if I want a graphic game, I fire up my C64.
"Pretty pictures" do not make a game, but making a good, fun, playable
game is hard (and companies need to actually pay someone good money
to make one).
IMO it is more cost effective to stick to games that are less resource intensive but still fun.
There is still a powerful Command and Conquer community doing multiplayer :-P I think the 5th
to 6th generation of consoles was the golden age since we got games that were sold in a
complete state which were actually fun without addons, yet they were very visual already.
Daryl Stout wrote to Dr. What <=-
And Biden is still "biden his time"...still no news conference. Maybe they need to redo the Oval Office to the Biden Basement, where he'll be more comfortable. :P
Andeddu wrote to Dr. What <=-
4K itself is just a marketing gimmick to get people to upgrade their televisions.
Dream Master wrote to Daryl Stout <=-
You're funny. The Office of the President is just like any other executive office, lower departments release press statements and communications whenever necessary. Expecting President Biden to tweet
his day away is ridiculous. Biden has done more in the past three
months for America than Trump did in his first year. Trump focused on helping those with "his" beliefs and not the country as a whole.
What 4K is going to call out is the horrible resolution of cable. Most cable channels look like they're horridly compressed; OK on a 36" 1080P TV, but now that everyone bought 55" plus TVs during the pandemic, it's looking pretty bad.
4K itself is just a marketing gimmick to get people to upgrade their televisions.
I bought a 4K TV based on reviews, and compared to my slightly
earlier TV, the HDR is what makes the most difference to me.
What 4K is going to call out is the horrible resolution of cable.
Most cable channels look like they're horridly compressed; OK on a
36" 1080P TV, but now that everyone bought 55" plus TVs during the pandemic, it's looking pretty bad.
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Something I have heard argued is that larger screens are gonna ruin the watcher's experience, because he is going to have a resolution high
enough to notice compression artifacts which didn't use to be
noticeable.
I bought a 4K TV based on reviews, and compared to my slightly earlier TV, the HDR is what makes the most difference to me.
Something I have heard argued is that larger screens are gonna ruin the watcher's experience, because he is going to have a resolution high enough to notice compression artifacts which didn't use to be noticeable.
If most of what you watch is not real high resolution I think it is just better not to upgrade.
HDR makes a massive difference for me too especially when I play console games. The colours are way less saturated and look for more authentic than what I am seeing on my PC.
Andeddu wrote to Dr. What <=-
4K itself is just a marketing gimmick to get people to upgrade their televisions.
I bought a 4K TV based on reviews, and compared to my slightly earlier TV, the HDR is what makes the most difference to me.
What 4K is going to call out is the horrible resolution of cable. Most cable channels look like they're horridly compressed; OK on a 36" 1080P TV, but now that everyone bought 55" plus TVs during the pandemic, it's looking pretty bad.
When silent movies went out and sound movies went in, a large number of Hollywood types had to "retire"
because they lacked good speaking voices.
A similar thing happened when movies became very high res. Some Hollywood types had to "retire" because
those high res movies showed of blemishes that couldn't be covered up.
There are PC graphics cards and monitors that support HDR too.
Nightfox
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
When silent movies went out and sound movies went in, a large number of Hollywood types had to "retire"
because they lacked good speaking voices.
I never heard anything like this. maybe someone put this on wikipedia.
i do know some stopped because it was a total different type of acting.
A similar thing happened when movies became very high res. Some Hollywood types had to "retire" because
those high res movies showed of blemishes that couldn't be covered up.
i'm calling bullshit on this.
Dr. What wrote to Arelor <=-
A similar thing happened when movies became very high res. Some
Hollywood types had to "retire" because
those high res movies showed of blemishes that couldn't be covered up.
Then there's the need to be extra careful. If you remember when they
used parts of the original Star Trek
in an episode of Deep Space 9, they had to clean up much of the
original footage because things like coffee
stains on the uniform would show up in the high res video of today.
Nightfox wrote to Arelor <=-
I have a Nintendo Wii (which provides a 480p analog signal) connected
to a 55" 4K TV. I think it's still enjoyable.
I have a Nintendo Wii (which provides a 480p analog signal)
connected to a 55" 4K TV. I think it's still enjoyable.
If you have component inputs on your TV, you can buy a 480i cable on eBay for cheap - makes a little bit of difference. I had a TV that oddly, didn't have RCA inputs.
I never heard anything like this. maybe someone put this on wikipedia. i do know some stopped because it was a total different type of acting.
Oh, ya, this is well documented. Many had such strong accents that they couldn't be understood.
i'm calling bullshit on this.
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