• My "wake up" was when..

    From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Ogg on Thu Jan 7 09:05:00 2021
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    Avocados, nuts, cheeses, pure peanut butter, ..examples of good
    fat.

    "Healthier" not "healthy" fat.

    I am not convinced that eggs are a single source of bad
    cholesterol. The LDL and HDL forms get "created" in the body and
    the bad one causes the plating in the arteries that causes more
    damage - or something like that. But eliminating eggs is not
    going to reduce the bad cholesterol.

    No. They figured out that dietary cholestrol doesn't really impact
    your body's cholesterol. For a small number of people, it's a problem.
    But for the vast majority of people, something like eggs really doesn't
    do much.

    I realized I can make my one "lean cuisine" from readily frozen
    stuff. I substitute the white potato with the orange coloured
    yam/sweet potato.

    That's what we usually do. The "lean cuisine" stuff is only for the times
    when we just don't have time. While not perfect, it's healthier than McDonalds.

    I might have a baked apple (easy in the microwave) and some honey
    after a spicy meal. I don't entertain processed food treats.

    We try not do. And we mostly succeed. But that's part of the problem
    today: chose cheap, processed foods are quick, cheap and easy to get.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Vk3jed on Wed Jan 6 05:39:00 2021
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    I took a knife-handling class a couple of years ago, and one of the
    final exercises we did was to slice red onions as thin as we could,
    place them on top of blood orange wedges (cut free of the membrane) and drizzled with olive oil and sea salt. It tasted pretty amazing, and the instructor said "it better, that olive oil is $55 a bottle!"

    Haha how big was the bottle? :)

    Not that big, :)

    In a dose of irony, we took a break during the class so they could prep the next phase, and the instructor used the opportunity to upsell some knives in the retail part of the store. As she was putting away a chef's knife, she slashed her finger horribly and had to finish the class with her hand
    bandaged and in a latex glove. She went to the emergency room after the
    class. A trooper, she was.


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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Dr. What on Thu Jan 7 22:28:00 2021
    Hello Dr.!

    ** On Thursday 07.01.21 - 09:05, Dr. What wrote to Ogg:

    Ogg wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Avocados, nuts, cheeses, pure peanut butter, ..examples of good
    fat.

    "Healthier" not "healthy" fat.

    OK..(but I've done some research and am fine with the above)
    ..meanwhile, show us YOUR list of healthy fat.


    ..I don't entertain processed food treats.

    We try not do. And we mostly succeed. But that's part of the problem today: chose cheap, processed foods are quick, cheap and easy to get.

    The temptations diminished over time. When have to buy a new
    SMALLER belt, and can buy a pair of pants down a size or two,
    that is a greater treat than a shiny package full of sugar.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jan 8 19:13:00 2021
    On 01-06-21 05:39, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Haha how big was the bottle? :)

    Not that big, :)

    Haha OK. :)

    In a dose of irony, we took a break during the class so they could prep the next phase, and the instructor used the opportunity to upsell some knives in the retail part of the store. As she was putting away a
    chef's knife, she slashed her finger horribly and had to finish the
    class with her hand bandaged and in a latex glove. She went to the emergency room after the class. A trooper, she was.

    Hmm, was that the "This is not what to do" lesson? :D


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Ogg on Sat Jan 9 15:35:00 2021
    Ogg wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Avocados, nuts, cheeses, pure peanut butter, ..examples of good
    fat.

    "Healthier" not "healthy" fat.

    OK..(but I've done some research and am fine with the above)
    ..meanwhile, show us YOUR list of healthy fat.

    OK. Here's my list of healthy fat:

    (It's pretty short because fat - from all sources - should be kept low.)

    The temptations diminished over time. When have to buy a new
    SMALLER belt, and can buy a pair of pants down a size or two,
    that is a greater treat than a shiny package full of sugar.

    That is very true. The longer we stay away from those things, the less pull they have on it.


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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Dr. What on Wed Jan 13 21:56:00 2021
    Hello Dr.!

    ** On Saturday 09.01.21 - 15:35, Dr. What wrote to Ogg:

    OK. Here's my list of healthy fat:

    (It's pretty short because fat - from all sources - should
    be kept low.)

    I think the science behind the Keto (low carb, high fat) is
    pretty good. The natural fats from cashews are pretty good for
    you, for example - and that's just one thing from a longer list
    of wholesome fats.


    The temptations diminished over time. When have to buy a
    new SMALLER belt, and can buy a pair of pants down a size
    or two, that is a greater treat than a shiny package full
    of sugar.

    That is very true. The longer we stay away from those
    things, the less pull they have on it.

    Or less PUSH they have on our girth. :D

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Ogg on Fri Jan 15 08:52:00 2021
    Ogg wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I think the science behind the Keto (low carb, high fat) is
    pretty good. The natural fats from cashews are pretty good for
    you, for example - and that's just one thing from a longer list
    of wholesome fats.

    Keto has been shown to be very unhealthy in the long term.

    If you are looking to start the weight loss process, go keto for a while.
    But for the long term, you need to have a better diet.

    And we are back to confusing the term "healthy" with the term "healthier".
    Yes, nut fats are healthier (in general) than, say, animal fats. But both
    are high-density calories and should be kept low in the diet.


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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Ogg on Thu Jan 21 18:17:56 2021
    On 1/5/2021 5:19 AM, Ogg wrote:
    Of course things like omad/tmad and longer fasting cycles
    without snacking help a lot too.

    omad / tmad (had to look it up) I'm not convinced. Instead, I
    found that if the goal is to not exceed certain # of cal per day,
    divide that by the number of waking hours, you get approx the
    number of cals one would have per hour. For me that amounted to
    100 cals. So.. I could eat 4 times per day but not exceed 400
    cals each time. Worked for me! That also falls along the line
    to avoid the dips and spikes in energy one feels before and after
    meals.

    If you're under 400 calories a day, you're much more likely to see a
    reduction in metabolism (see biggest loser study), it also depends on a
    state of diabetese and metabolic disfunction. As the body can clear
    more glucose with less insulin in a single meal.

    For diabetics, definitely suggest keto, minimal carbs until weight loss
    brings insulin response closer to normal/healthy.

    The only thing two meals or vastly unequal calorie counts in
    meals accomplished was send me to take a nap, or to crave sugar.

    Reducing refined sugars and carbs helps a lot with those kinds of
    cravings. Being well adapted to both carbs and ketones goes a long way
    to not having the spikes/cravings.

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  • From Dream Master@VERT/CIAD to Tracker1 on Thu Jan 21 22:28:49 2021
    Re: Re: My "wake up" was when..
    By: Tracker1 to Ogg on Thu Jan 21 2021 06:17 pm

    If you're under 400 calories a day, you're much more likely to see a reduction in metabolism (see biggest loser study), it also depends on a state of diabetese and metabolic disfunction. As the body can clear
    more glucose with less insulin in a single meal.

    The best thing you can do is consume 60 grams of protein a day, usually through a meal replacement shake. Avoid a lot of vegetables, completely avoid fruits, and grains should be removed from your diet completely. If you stay between 600 and 1200 calories, you'll end up burning fat thus helping to reduce body weight.

    Even as a Type 2 Diabetic, I've noticed that focusing on two meal replacement shakes (breakfast and lunch) then eating a smart dinner has helped me lose weight and keep it off.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Dream Master on Sat Jan 23 08:06:39 2021
    On 1/22/2021 5:28 AM, Dream Master wrote:
    If you're under 400 calories a day, you're much more likely to see a
    reduction in metabolism (see biggest loser study), it also depends on a
    state of diabetese and metabolic disfunction. As the body can clear
    more glucose with less insulin in a single meal.

    The best thing you can do is consume 60 grams of protein a day, usually through a meal replacement shake. Avoid a lot of vegetables,
    completely avoid fruits, and grains should be removed from your diet completely. If you stay between 600 and 1200 calories, you'll end up
    burning fat thus helping to reduce body weight.

    Even as a Type 2 Diabetic, I've noticed that focusing on two meal
    replacement shakes (breakfast and lunch) then eating a smart dinner
    has helped me lose weight and keep it off.

    Meal replacement shakes are often incomplete protein sources without
    enough fats. Better to eat a few eggs each day over a shake, even 3-4
    hard boiled eggs, especially pasture raised will have a better nutrient profile.

    I'm also not a proponent of taking in less than 1200 calories a day,
    unless you're outright extended fasting.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Sat Jan 23 16:05:41 2021
    Re: Re: My "wake up" was when..
    By: Tracker1 to Dream Master on Sat Jan 23 2021 08:06 am

    Meal replacement shakes are often incomplete protein sources without enough fats. Better to eat a few eggs each day over a shake, even 3-4 hard boiled eggs, especially pasture raised will have a better nutrient profile.


    can anybody really do that though? i tried eating eggs on a regular basis and for my body it worked well but i got food fatigue real bad real fast with eggs.
    then i had a bad egg or something and got sick.
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  • From Dream Master@VERT/CIAD to Tracker1 on Sat Jan 23 23:42:20 2021
    Re: Re: My "wake up" was when..
    By: Tracker1 to Dream Master on Sat Jan 23 2021 08:06 am

    Meal replacement shakes are often incomplete protein sources without
    enough fats. Better to eat a few eggs each day over a shake, even 3-4
    hard boiled eggs, especially pasture raised will have a better nutrient profile.

    I won't disagree and I need to consider that as I the days go on. I am actively seeing a doctor and I hate the lectures about weighing 5 pounds more than the last time I was in.

    I'm also not a proponent of taking in less than 1200 calories a day,
    unless you're outright extended fasting.

    I don't disagree but I need to keep dropping weight. Being 6'5" and 350lbs is not healthy. I go down, hit a plateau, get pissed off, gain a few pounds, lose a few, it's never ending.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Dream Master on Sun Jan 24 13:10:00 2021
    Hello Dream!

    ** On Saturday 23.01.21 - 23:42, Dream Master wrote to Tracker1:

    I won't disagree and I need to consider that as I the days
    go on. I am actively seeing a doctor and I hate the
    lectures about weighing 5 pounds more than the last time I
    was in.

    Next time you go in, don't have a meal before the visit. Take a
    shit and piss everything you've got before your appointment! ;)


    I don't disagree but I need to keep dropping weight. Being
    6'5" and 350lbs is not healthy. I go down, hit a plateau,
    get pissed off, gain a few pounds, lose a few, it's never
    ending.

    Take stock of everything you're eating right now. Throw out ALL
    processed foods and commercially produced desserts. Do NOT
    overeat. Only you can make the weight-loss happen - but you have
    to want it seriously.

    I started by first recording just how many calories I was having
    during the day with my then usual foods. The number was almost
    twice what I am having now. It was easy and convenient to over-
    eat.

    I was at the last notches of my belts, and I was not interested
    in buying larger belts or larger pants. That was my limit and my
    guideline to slim down. It also looked like I was sprouting a
    2nd kneck that I did not want.

    I started with the keto approach, and modified it to reduce red-
    meats and increase vegetables. Along the way, I threw out all
    processed foods, and products containing flour and any added-
    sugars.

    Within the first few months very early on my stamina increased, hunger/cravings went away and my any muscle/joint pains went
    away.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Sun Jan 24 22:39:37 2021
    Re: My "wake up" was when..
    By: Ogg to Dream Master on Sun Jan 24 2021 01:10 pm

    Hello Dream!

    ** On Saturday 23.01.21 - 23:42, Dream Master wrote to Tracker1:

    I won't disagree and I need to consider that as I the days
    go on. I am actively seeing a doctor and I hate the
    lectures about weighing 5 pounds more than the last time I
    was in.

    Next time you go in, don't have a meal before the visit. Take a
    shit and piss everything you've got before your appointment! ;)


    yeah i was thinking he could take a big dump and clear that
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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to MRO on Sun Jan 24 23:44:50 2021
    Re: Re: My "wake up" was when..
    By: MRO to Tracker1 on Sat Jan 23 2021 04:05 pm

    Meal replacement shakes are often incomplete protein sources without enough fats. Better to eat a few eggs each day over a shake, even 3-4 hard boiled eggs, especially pasture raised will have a better nutrient profile.


    can anybody really do that though? i tried eating eggs on a regular basis and for my body it worked well but i got food fatigue real bad real fast with eggs.
    then i had a bad egg or something and got sick.

    I've been eating 4-5 eggs per day since around 2013... I suppose my body is just used to it now.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to MRO on Mon Jan 25 05:56:33 2021
    On 1/23/2021 3:05 PM, MRO wrote:
    Meal replacement shakes are often incomplete protein sources
    without enough fats. Better to eat a few eggs each day over
    a shake, even 3-4 hard boiled eggs, especially pasture raised
    will have a better nutrient profile.

    can anybody really do that though? i tried eating eggs on a
    regular basis and for my body it worked well but i got food
    fatigue real bad real fast> with eggs. then i had a bad egg
    or something and got sick.

    As far as protein and fats are concerned... meat, fish and
    whey protein will work. For more complete nutrition, organ
    meats, egg yolks or supplements are needed.

    I don't find eating eggs particularly harder than a shake myself.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Andeddu on Tue Jan 26 18:47:33 2021
    Re: Re: My "wake up" was when..
    By: Andeddu to MRO on Sun Jan 24 2021 11:44 pm

    real fast with eggs.
    then i had a bad egg or something and got sick.

    I've been eating 4-5 eggs per day since around 2013... I suppose my body is just used to it now.


    dont you get food fatigue?
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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to MRO on Thu Jan 28 11:54:43 2021
    Re: Re: My "wake up" was when..
    By: MRO to Andeddu on Tue Jan 26 2021 06:47 pm

    I've been eating 4-5 eggs per day since around 2013... I suppose my body is just used to it now.


    dont you get food fatigue?

    As in tiredness after consuming that number of eggs each day? No, I feel energised if anything. After that many eggs and a protein shake along with something nice like a latte (I drink Costa Coffee pods) I can go on for 7-8 hours without too much discomfort. I reckon the eggs are the reason I can go the day with only 2 meals, breakfast and dinner.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Andeddu on Thu Jan 28 17:03:35 2021
    Re: Re: My "wake up" was when..
    By: Andeddu to MRO on Thu Jan 28 2021 11:54 am


    dont you get food fatigue?

    As in tiredness after consuming that number of eggs each day? No, I feel energised if anything. After that many eggs and a protein shake along with something nice like a latte (I drink Costa Coffee pods) I can go on for


    no i mean you never want to see another egg again or turkey sandwich.
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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to MRO on Sat Jan 30 18:41:09 2021
    Re: Re: My "wake up" was when..
    By: MRO to Andeddu on Thu Jan 28 2021 05:03 pm

    no i mean you never want to see another egg again or turkey sandwich.

    Haha, I guess a lot of people would feel that way. I do mix it up sometimes by having bacon or toast (on the odd occasion) with my eggs. I won't deny that it's dull having the exact same thing every single day but I am used to it now given that I've been doing it for over 7 years.

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