• hamburger bun that ta

    From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Moondog on Wed Jan 6 22:22:00 2021
    Hello Moondog!

    ** On Wednesday 06.01.21 - 14:41, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed:

    There's a sandwich shop in town that makes their own bread. The sweetness level relies on the type of bread that is made. Subway makes fresh bread every day, but it still has a mass produced taste to it.

    My local "bakery" acquires most of its varieties of bread frozen
    and ready to bake. Many of the customers do not realize that.

    I'd be surprised that your sandwich actually makes their bread
    from scratch. Subway probably brings in the frozen version and
    bake it when the demand requires it.

    They provide the ingredients lists upon request. I have requested
    and have seen many of the common preservatives and additives in
    the mass produced breads.

    The only bread they make on the spot - from scratch - is the
    gluten-free stuff. But there is only one type, and apparently it
    is not a big seller.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Ogg on Thu Jan 7 06:19:00 2021
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    from scratch. Subway probably brings in the frozen version and
    bake it when the demand requires it.

    They provide the ingredients lists upon request. I have requested
    and have seen many of the common preservatives and additives in
    the mass produced breads.

    One thing COVID has changed is my habit of going out for lunch for a
    sandwich or fast food. When I go into the office now, it's leftovers.




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  • From Dream Master@VERT/CIAD to Moondog on Thu Jan 7 09:51:41 2021
    Re: Re: hamburger bun that ta
    By: Moondog to Vk3jed on Wed Jan 06 2021 02:41 pm

    There's a sandwich shop in town that makes their own bread. The sweetness level relies on the type of bread that is made. Subway makes fresh bread every day, but it still has a mass produced taste to it.

    Bread shouldn't be sweet. Also, Subway receives all their bread "pucks" frozen. They are defrosted the night before and placed into the oven throughout the day. It was Subway who taught us that it is okay to eat a loaf of bread every time we want to eat a sandwich.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jan 7 12:39:30 2021
    Re: Re: hamburger bun that ta
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Ogg on Thu Jan 07 2021 06:19 am

    One thing COVID has changed is my habit of going out for lunch for a sandwich or fast food. When I go into the office now, it's leftovers.

    Not too long ago, I worked at a place that had a cafe at the work building. I'd eat at the cafe most days, and sometimes some of our team liked to go to a restaurant for lunch. After adding it up, I realized I was spending a significant amount of money on eating out (including the work cafe). I've been in the habit of bringing a lunch to work with me for the past several years, whether it be leftovers or even just making a sandwich (and I'll always add a few things like yogurt, maybe a piece of fruit, etc.).

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  • From Bob Roberts@VERT/HOVAL to Moondog on Thu Jan 7 19:02:07 2021
    Re: Re: hamburger bun that ta
    By: Moondog to Vk3jed on Wed Jan 06 2021 02:41 pm

    level relies on the type of bread that is made. Subway makes fresh bread every day, but it still has a mass produced taste to it.

    I seem to remember there was some country which wouldn't allow Subway to call their bread "Bread" because it had so much sugar.

    Found it. Ireland Supreme Court rules that Subway bread should not be taxed as a bread because the amount of sugar exceeds 2% of the amount of flour. So it's now taxed as a confectionery. If it had less sugar it would be considered a "staple" and be taxed at a lower rate.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jan 7 23:03:00 2021
    Hello poindexter!

    ** On Thursday 07.01.21 - 06:19, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Ogg:

    and have seen many of the common preservatives and additives in
    the mass produced breads.

    One thing COVID has changed is my habit of going out for lunch for a sandwich or fast food. When I go into the office now, it's leftovers.

    Hopefully the annoyance of not going to the Subway for their
    breads will provide a healthier side-effect for you - if you
    stick with it. Having today's commercial breads everday will
    bloat up anybody over time.

    I don't eat bread at all. I don't even miss it. When I had it,
    sometimes it would mold before I could even finish a loaf.
    Sometimes it went fast when I would cave in to the temptation and
    toast it, butter it and have jam with it, several times in an
    evening! It's better that I don't have it in the house.


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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Dream Master on Thu Jan 7 23:16:00 2021
    Hello Dream!

    ** On Thursday 07.01.21 - 09:51, Dream Master wrote to Moondog:

    Bread shouldn't be sweet. Also, Subway receives all their bread "pucks" frozen. They are defrosted the night before and placed into the oven throughout the day.

    My local longstanding "bakery" in town imports ALL their variety
    of bread frozen. They start baking very in early in the morning.
    The place smells great. And people "think" it's fresh bread. But
    it's certainly not fresh in the sense that it is 100% scratch.


    It was Subway who taught us that it is okay to eat a
    loaf of bread every time we want to eat a sandwich.

    Yeah.. the foot-longs are WAY too much bread for a lunch. I
    stopped going to that place too. The meats were just cold-cut
    variety too (nitrates). Sure, it all can taste great, but you pay
    for it in having to find a spare notch in your belt and end up
    carrying extra weight on your hips and knees. No thanks.



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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Moondog on Fri Jan 8 19:12:00 2021
    On 01-06-21 14:41, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-.

    There's a sandwich shop in town that makes their own bread. The
    sweetness level relies on the type of bread that is made. Subway makes fresh bread every day, but it still has a mass produced taste to it.

    Yeah different breads taste different, but I've only ever encountered that "confectionery taste" in some mass produced breads.


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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Ogg on Fri Jan 8 12:10:51 2021
    Re: hamburger bun that ta
    By: Ogg to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jan 07 2021 11:03 pm

    I don't eat bread at all. I don't even miss it. When I had it,
    sometimes it would mold before I could even finish a loaf.
    Sometimes it went fast when I would cave in to the temptation and
    toast it, butter it and have jam with it, several times in an
    evening! It's better that I don't have it in the house.

    Same here. I think bread is one of the biggest culprits in people's poor diets. It's just empty calories that provide zero nutritional value and leave you feeling hungry again a few hours later. I do have rolls on the odd occasion though, probably 1-2 times per month because I like bacon rolls and if I really must go for fast food, I'll try and make it a Subway.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Andeddu on Fri Jan 8 17:45:00 2021
    Hello Andeddu!

    ** On Friday 08.01.21 - 12:10, Andeddu wrote to Ogg:

    I don't eat bread at all. I don't even miss it. When I had it,

    Same here. I think bread is one of the biggest culprits in people's poor diets. It's just empty calories that provide zero nutritional value and leave you feeling hungry again a few hours later. I do have rolls on the odd occasion though, probably 1-2 times per month because I like bacon rolls and if I really must go for fast food, I'll try and make it a
    Subway.

    At one point, I was skipping breakfast because I was running
    late, and would blame my hunger pangs and low energy on that. But
    when I had a "bread" based full and proper breakfast like an
    french toast or a decent sandwich - I was still hungry after a
    couple hours! And then even after have even more bread for my
    lunch, I was hungry again way before supper time.

    Since I stopped eating bread and substituted that with whole
    foods, good proteins and natural fat, my stamina has extended
    well past the 4th hour of that breakfast, and I am never hungry.

    I realize how easy it is to get into the bread-rut and not
    believe the addictive influence it can have to want more.


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Ogg on Fri Jan 8 21:29:00 2021
    Re: hamburger bun that ta
    By: Ogg to Moondog on Wed Jan 06 2021 10:22 pm

    Hello Moondog!

    ** On Wednesday 06.01.21 - 14:41, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed:

    There's a sandwich shop in town that makes their own bread. The sweetne level relies on the type of bread that is made. Subway makes fresh brea every day, but it still has a mass produced taste to it.

    My local "bakery" acquires most of its varieties of bread frozen
    and ready to bake. Many of the customers do not realize that.

    I'd be surprised that your sandwich actually makes their bread
    from scratch. Subway probably brings in the frozen version and
    bake it when the demand requires it.

    They provide the ingredients lists upon request. I have requested
    and have seen many of the common preservatives and additives in
    the mass produced breads.

    The only bread they make on the spot - from scratch - is the
    gluten-free stuff. But there is only one type, and apparently it
    is not a big seller.


    The local place makes their own as a reason to draw folks in. The shop is
    open from 10am-2pm and then later in the summer, however if you drive by during their non-business hours they are busy playing with dough and making other stuff from scratch.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Vk3jed on Fri Jan 8 21:43:00 2021
    Re: Re: hamburger bun that ta
    By: Vk3jed to Moondog on Fri Jan 08 2021 07:12 pm

    On 01-06-21 14:41, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-.

    There's a sandwich shop in town that makes their own bread. The sweetness level relies on the type of bread that is made. Subway makes fresh bread every day, but it still has a mass produced taste to it.

    Yeah different breads taste different, but I've only ever encountered that "confectionery taste" in some mass produced breads.


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    Dinner rolls such as the Kings Hawaian rolls are very sweet. Some food
    trucks use Kings or other sweet rolls as buns for sliders.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Moondog on Sat Jan 9 19:56:00 2021
    On 01-08-21 21:43, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Dinner rolls such as the Kings Hawaian rolls are very sweet. Some food trucks use Kings or other sweet rolls as buns for sliders.

    That could be a locality thing too.


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  • From MATTHEW MUNSON@VERT/IUTOPIA to VK3JED on Sat Jan 9 11:15:00 2021
    On 1/9/2021 7:56 PM, VK3JED wrote to MOONDOG:

    On 01-08-21 21:43, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Dinner rolls such as the Kings Hawaian rolls are very sweet. Some food trucks use Kings or other sweet rolls as buns for sliders.

    That could be a locality thing too.

    In the USA (started in CA) there is a chain called the Dog Haus. A beer and hot
    dog/sausage place. https://doghaus.com/locations.html

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MATTHEW MUNSON on Sun Jan 10 18:20:00 2021
    On 01-09-21 11:15, MATTHEW MUNSON wrote to VK3JED <=-

    @VIA: VERT/IUTOPIA
    On 1/9/2021 7:56 PM, VK3JED wrote to MOONDOG:

    On 01-08-21 21:43, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Dinner rolls such as the Kings Hawaian rolls are very sweet. Some
    ood
    trucks use Kings or other sweet rolls as buns for sliders.

    That could be a locality thing too.

    In the USA (started in CA) there is a chain called the Dog Haus. A
    beer and hot dog/sausage place. https://doghaus.com/locations.html

    Hmm, I'm trying to see the connection between that and what I quoted. Nope, no connection *confused look*.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to VK3JED on Sun Jan 10 11:28:00 2021
    That could be a locality thing too.

    In the USA (started in CA) there is a chain called the Dog Haus. A
    beer and hot dog/sausage place. https://doghaus.com/locations.html

    Hmm, I'm trying to see the connection between that and what I quoted. Nope, n
    connection *confused look*.

    Maybe a "locality thing" place that also uses sweet buns (which were also
    being discussed)? :)


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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Ogg on Tue Jan 12 10:00:33 2021
    Re: hamburger bun that ta
    By: Ogg to Andeddu on Fri Jan 08 2021 05:45 pm

    At one point, I was skipping breakfast because I was running
    late, and would blame my hunger pangs and low energy on that. But
    when I had a "bread" based full and proper breakfast like an
    french toast or a decent sandwich - I was still hungry after a
    couple hours! And then even after have even more bread for my
    lunch, I was hungry again way before supper time.

    Since I stopped eating bread and substituted that with whole
    foods, good proteins and natural fat, my stamina has extended
    well past the 4th hour of that breakfast, and I am never hungry.

    Likewise. I scramble 5 eggs each morning and have a protein shake and I don't begin to get hunger pangs for 4-5 hours and I can go as long as 8 hours without eating anything. I usually have a substantial dinner and often skip lunch. It's amazing how quickly the body can turn carbs into glucose.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Andeddu on Tue Jan 12 08:29:28 2021
    Re: hamburger bun that ta
    By: Andeddu to Ogg on Tue Jan 12 2021 10:00 am

    Likewise. I scramble 5 eggs each morning and have a protein shake and I

    Many years ago, I remember when I used to hear nutritionists recommend eating no more than 4 eggs per week due to cholestrol. But I think that has been disproven. Eggs do seem to provide fullness for a while. On the weekends (when I have more time to make a good breakfast), for breakfast I like to make an omlette with 3 eggs & cheese, sausages, and hash browns, and that tends to keep me full for a little while.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Andeddu on Tue Jan 12 20:39:36 2021
    Re: hamburger bun that ta
    By: Andeddu to Ogg on Tue Jan 12 2021 10:00 am


    Likewise. I scramble 5 eggs each morning and have a protein shake and I don't begin to get hunger pangs for 4-5 hours and I can go as long as 8 hours without eating anything. I usually have a substantial dinner and often skip lunch. It's amazing how quickly the body can turn carbs into glucose.


    it's all the protein that keeps you full. it has the same effect on me.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Dumas Walker on Wed Jan 13 19:37:00 2021
    On 01-10-21 11:28, Dumas Walker wrote to VK3JED <=-

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    That could be a locality thing too.

    In the USA (started in CA) there is a chain called the Dog Haus. A beer and hot dog/sausage place. https://doghaus.com/locations.html

    Hmm, I'm trying to see the connection between that and what I quoted. Nope,
    n

    connection *confused look*.

    Maybe a "locality thing" place that also uses sweet buns (which were
    also being discussed)? :)

    The local reference wasn't well linked, local names don't translate internationally.


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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Moondog on Wed Jan 13 21:42:00 2021
    Hello Moondog!

    ** On Friday 08.01.21 - 21:29, Moondog wrote to Ogg:

    There's a sandwich shop in town that makes their own
    bread..

    I'd be surprised that your sandwich actually makes their
    bread from scratch. Subway probably brings in the frozen
    version and bake it when the demand requires it.

    The local place makes their own as a reason to draw folks
    in. The shop is open from 10am-2pm and then later in the
    summer, however if you drive by during their non-business
    hours they are busy playing with dough and making other
    stuff from scratch.

    Then THAT is pretty good. It sounds like a fine exceptional
    place.



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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Andeddu on Wed Jan 13 22:53:00 2021
    Hello Andeddu!

    ** On Tuesday 12.01.21 - 10:00, Andeddu wrote to Ogg:

    Since I stopped eating bread and substituted that with whole
    foods, good proteins and natural fat, my stamina has
    extended well past the 4th hour of that breakfast, and I am
    never hungry.

    Likewise. I scramble 5 eggs each morning and have a protein
    shake and I don't begin to get hunger pangs for 4-5 hours
    and I can go as long as 8 hours without eating anything. I
    usually have a substantial dinner and often skip lunch. It's
    amazing how quickly the body can turn carbs into glucose.

    5 eggs + other shit?!? :O ..just for breakfast? Are you a
    football player or weighlifter or something?

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Fri Jan 15 13:06:54 2021
    Re: hamburger bun that ta
    By: Ogg to Andeddu on Wed Jan 13 2021 10:53 pm

    5 eggs + other shit?!? :O ..just for breakfast? Are you a
    football player or weighlifter or something?


    i hope he eats a lot of fiber because he's gonna shit bricks
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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Nightfox on Fri Jan 15 23:42:19 2021
    Re: hamburger bun that ta
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Tue Jan 12 2021 08:29 am

    Many years ago, I remember when I used to hear nutritionists recommend eating no more than 4 eggs per week due to cholestrol. But I think that has been disproven. Eggs do seem to provide fullness for a while. On the weekends (when I have more time to make a good breakfast), for breakfast I like to make an omlette with 3 eggs & cheese, sausages, and hash browns, and that tends to keep me full for a little while.

    It was clearly junk science, but it was orthodox for a long time due to the studies funded by the major food corps. As you already know, natural fats were vilified and fat free products were promoted as "good" and "healthy" when they were in fact loaded with sugars/sweeteners.

    Your weekend breakfast is similar to mine when I am off work, I tend to go for eggs and grilled sausages, bacon and black pudding along with slices of cheddar cheese.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Ogg on Sat Jan 16 00:20:06 2021
    Re: hamburger bun that ta
    By: Ogg to Andeddu on Wed Jan 13 2021 10:53 pm

    5 eggs + other shit?!? :O ..just for breakfast? Are you a
    football player or weighlifter or something?


    I am a weightlifter but I have more of a gymnast style physique because I only weigh around 155lbs at 5'8 with around 10% bodyfat. I am genetically small boned with a narrow waist so it's probably easier for me to stay slim than it is for most people. I reckon I consume around 1600-1700 calories per day though I do have a carb blowout once per week where I can go over 2500 calories. I've been eating like this for years and find it quite easy to control my weight despite being in my mid-30s. I have noticed that my metabolism is slowing down... back in my 20s I was stronger, more cut and ate a lot more.

    It sucks getting old... :/

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