Rush Lost his battle with lung cancer today, I began listening to his show i about 1988 or 89,
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Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Denn to All on Wed Feb
17 2021 23:02:20
Rush Lost his battle with lung cancer today, I began listening to his show i about 1988 or 89,
Sweet, always good to have another bigot in consideration for the twitlist. I mean, maybe that's a bit presumptuous of me, but it seems
to be what experience has proven. GIGO, you know. Pump hate rhetoric
in all day and you don't normally become the most compassionate and
decent individual...
I have the feeling I'm going to get some interesting replies to
this.
Let me end my message here with a quote that I shared heavily
around the Diaspora* network in response to others mourning the loss of such a hate 'n fear monger: I have never killed anyone, but I
have read some obituary notices with great satisfaction. --
Clarence Darrow
Rush Lost his battle with lung cancer today, I began listening to his
show i about 1988 or 89,
Sweet, always good to have another bigot in consideration for the twitlist. I mean, maybe that's a bit presumptuous of me, but it seems to be what experience has proven. GIGO, you know. Pump hate rhetoric in all day and you don't normally become the most compassionate and decent individual...
I have the feeling I'm going to get some interesting replies to this.
Let me end my message here with a quote that I shared heavily around the Diaspora* network in response to others mourning the loss of such a hate 'n fear monger: I have never killed anyone, but I have read some obituary notices with great satisfaction. -- Clarence Darrow
Sweet, always good to have another bigot in consideration for the twitlist. I mean, maybe that's a bit presumptuous of me, but it seems to be what experience has proven. GIGO, you know. Pump hate rhetoric in all day and you don't normally become the most compassionate and decent individual...
Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Sprite to Denn on Fri Feb 19 2021 11:56 am
The best thing that happened to America this week was the death of Rush Limbaugh. His rhetoric was trash and what he did to the Republican Party created the Trump Train.
Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Sprite to Denn on Fri Feb 19 2021 11:56 am
Rush Lost his battle with lung cancer today, I began listening to his
show i about 1988 or 89,
Sweet, always good to have another bigot in consideration for the twitlist. I mean, maybe that's a bit presumptuous of
but it seems to be what experience has proven. GIGO, you know. Pump hate rhetoric in all day and you don't normally bec
the most compassionate and decent individual...
I have the feeling I'm going to get some interesting replies to this. Let me end my message here with a quote that I shared heavily around the Diaspora* network in response to others mourni
the loss of such a hate 'n fear monger: I have never killed anyone, but I have read some obituary notices with great
satisfaction. -- Clarence Darrow
Rush wasn't a hate monger, Everything he said he backed up.
Most of what you said is unintelligible, makes no sense.
It's always people like you that call others bigot's that are the real bigot's.
Denn wrote to Sprite <=-
Rush wasn't a hate monger, Everything he said he backed up.
Most of what you said is unintelligible, makes no sense.
It's always people like you that call others bigot's that are the real bigot's.
Rush wasn't a hate monger, Everything he said he backed up.
He is a troll. He obviously posted what he posted as a provocation, and he knows it. He pretty much has admitted he expected "interesting" replites.
Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Denn to Sprite on Sat Feb 20 2021 12:34 am
Rush wasn't a hate monger, Everything he said he backed up.
I remember one time when Rush was called out on something he said, and Rush's response was something to the effect that his radio show is mainly for entertainment and isn't always to be taken seriously.
Nightfox
Sweet, always good to have another bigot in consideration for the
twitlist. I mean, maybe that's a bit presumptuous of me, but it seems
to be what experience has proven. GIGO, you know. Pump hate rhetoric
in all day and you don't normally become the most compassionate and
decent individual...
The best thing that happened to America this week was the death of Rush Limbaugh. His rhetoric was trash and what he did to the Republican Party created the Trump Train.
Sweet, always good to have another bigot in consideration for theRush wasn't a hate monger, Everything he said he backed up.
twitlist. I mean, maybe that's a bit presumptuous of but it seems
Most of what you said is unintelligible, makes no sense.
It's always people like you that call others bigot's that are the real
bigot's.
He is a troll. He obviously posted what he posted as a provocation, and he knows it. He pretty much has admitted he expected "interesting" replites.
Rush wasn't a hate monger, Everything he said he backed up.
Most of what you said is unintelligible, makes no sense.
It's always people like you that call others bigot's that are the
real bigot's.
Leftie's ALWAYS project.
If a Leftie accuses someone of being <something bad>, it's because he actually is <something bad>.
The best thing that happened to America this week was the death of
Rush Limbaugh. His rhetoric was trash and what he did to the
Republican Party created the Trump Train.
Well at least 2021 has had some good news. ;) ^^
Sweet, always good to have another bigot in consideration for the twitlist. I mean, maybe that's a bit presumptuous of me, but it seems to be what experience has proven. GIGO, you know. Pump hate rhetoric in all day and you
don't normally become the most compassionate and decent individual...
I have the feeling I'm going to get some interesting replies to this.
The best thing that happened to America this week was the death of Rush Limbaug
. His rhetoric was trash and what he did to the Republican Party created the T
ump Train.
Sprite wrote to Denn <=-
Let me end my message here with a quote that I shared heavily
around the Diaspora* network
Boraxman wrote to Sprite <=-
The irony of opening up a reply by accusing someone you dont know of
being a bigot, simply because you found they listen to some particular radio show host.
The best thing that happened to America this week was the death of Rush
Limbaug . His rhetoric was trash and what he did to the Republican
Party created the T ump Train.
More bad mojo.
Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Dumas Walker to DREAM MASTER on Sat Feb 20 2021 09:03 am
The best thing that happened to America this week was the death of Rush
Limbaug . His rhetoric was trash and what he did to the Republican
Party created the T ump Train.
Can you Imagine if someone said that about let's say Stephen Colbert? just to throw a name out there how they might react?
I don't like Stephen Colbert but I would never dis-respect his passing, he has a right to his views as did Rush.
But Rush exposed who these people are without all the bad taste crap.
More bad mojo.
and mean spirited, from the so called party of tollerance.
MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-
Rush wasn't a hate monger, Everything he said he backed up.
I remember one time when Rush was called out on something he said, and Rush's response was something to the effect that his radio show is mainly for entertainment and isn't always to be taken seriously.
well basically it was just that. it was entertainment with a
political theme. i cant get him in my region anymore so i havent
listened to him for 10+ years.
Dumas Walker wrote to DREAM MASTER <=-
The best thing that happened to America this week was the death of
Rush Limbaugh. His rhetoric was trash and what he did to the
Republican Party created the Trump Train.
More bad mojo.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Boraxman <=-
The irony of opening up a reply by accusing someone you dont know of
being a bigot, simply because you found they listen to some particular radio show host.
I was going to read your post, but I've found that people who are
critical of people who are critical of Rush Limbaugh rarely have
anything of value to add.
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The best thing that happened to America this week was the death of
Rush Limbaugh. His rhetoric was trash and what he did to the
Republican Party created the Trump Train.
More bad mojo.
Nah, just another ignorant dipshit Lefty spewing his own flavor of
"hate speech". It's OK to do that if you're a socialist/communist wannabe, ya know. It's just the right/conservatives who aren't allowed
to use hate speech.
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Sprite to Denn on Fri
Feb 19 2021 11:56 am
Sweet, always good to have another bigot in consideration for the twitlist. I mean, maybe that's a bit presumptuous of me, but it seems to be what experience has proven. GIGO, you know. Pump hate rhetoric in all day and you don't normally become the most compassionate and decent individual...
The best thing that happened to America this week was the death of Rush Limbaugh. His rhetoric was trash and what he did to the Republican
Party created the Trump Train.
I remember one time when Rush was called out on something he said, and Rush's response was something to the effect that his radio show is mainly for entertainment and isn't always to be taken seriously.
Wow, you people are absolutly clueless.
What a horrible thing to say about someone, Rush devoted his life to exposing the leftist rhetoric and double standards.
You people on the left led to Trump.
You want socialism where everyone is dependant on government handouts, That was'nt the vision of our founding fathers, Hard work and planning ones life without the intervention and intrusion of government.
Who pays for all the Government handouts? that's right the tax payers, the dwindling middle class (the hard workers of America) and businesses pay the lions share of these taxes.
Trump was a great presiden't.
Rush Limbaugh exposed the leftist and he was hated for it.
Nah, just another ignorant dipshit Lefty spewing his own flavor of "hate speech". It's OK to do that if you're a socialist/communist wannabe, ya know. It's just the right/conservatives who aren't allowed to use hate speech.
If you are going to hate, at least hate constructively.
You people on the left led to Trump.
No. Trump was the product of the lies and falsehoods spewed from Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Newsmax, and the religious conservatives.
Dream Master wrote to Gamgee <=-
Nah, just another ignorant dipshit Lefty spewing his own flavor of "hate speech". It's OK to do that if you're a socialist/communist wannabe, ya know. It's just the right/conservatives who aren't allowed to use hate speech.
Dude, say whatever you want, hell, be hateful and angry. My skin
is thick enough to tolerate it. But be prepared for facts that
are sourced from both the left and right. Ignorance is bliss,
sadly, I'm not ignorant, just a realist.
Wow, you people are absolutly clueless.
Quite the contrary, I am not clueless. I simply see the world without blinders on. Making blanket statements like "you people are absolutely clueless" prepared me for a good response.
What a horrible thing to say about someone, Rush devoted his life to
exposing the leftist rhetoric and double standards.
Rush Limbaugh devoted himself to changing the design of the Republican Party. Whether you like it or not, there should always be two views on a subject. If it wasn't for the demise of the Fairness Doctrine, you wouldn't have Rush, Fox News, and other organizations that distort facts.
You people on the left led to Trump.
No. Trump was the product of the lies and falsehoods spewed from Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Newsmax, and the religious conservatives.
You want socialism where everyone is dependant on government handouts,
That was'nt the vision of our founding fathers, Hard work and planning
ones life without the intervention and intrusion of government.
America isn't what it was 300 years ago. Times change, we should change with it. The intervention of government is what ensures not only our health and safety, but keeps our water and air clean, our skies safe, and our roads paved.
Who pays for all the Government handouts? that's right the tax payers,
the dwindling middle class (the hard workers of America) and
businesses pay the lions share of these taxes.
I pay over $20,000 a year in taxes. I'm a hard worker. I'm middle class. I believe we should all help each other.
Rush Limbaugh exposed the leftist and he was hated for it.
Rush Limbaugh was a liar and a bigot:
"The coronavirus is the common cold, folks."
stated on February 17, 2019 in in an interview:
"Climate change is nothing but a bunch of computer models that attempt to
Nah, just another ignorant dipshit Lefty spewing his own flavor of
"hate speech". It's OK to do that if you're a socialist/communist
Dude, say whatever you want, hell, be hateful and angry. My skin is thick enough to tolerate it. But be prepared for facts that are sourced from both the left and right. Ignorance is bliss, sadly, I'm not ignorant, just a realist.
Can you Imagine if someone said that about let's say Stephen Colbert? just to >throw a name out there how they might react?
I don't like Stephen Colbert but I would never dis-respect his passing, he has >a right to his views as did Rush.
But Rush exposed who these people are without all the bad taste crap.
More bad mojo.
and mean spirited, from the so called party of tollerance.
Gamgee wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
So you're perfectly OK with people who say they are glad that a
national figure has passed away, and that it was the "best thing to
happen to America"? Really? You don't think anybody should be
critical of a person who says stuff like that?
Dr. What wrote to Denn <=-
Leftie's ALWAYS project.
If a Leftie accuses someone of being <something bad>, it's because he actually is <something bad>.
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Sprite to Denn on Fri
Feb 19 2021 11:56 am
Sweet, always good to have another bigot in consideration for the twitlist. I mean, maybe that's a bit presumptuous of me, but it seems to be what experience has proven. GIGO, you know. Pump hate rhetoric in all day and you don't normally become the most compassionate and decent individual...
The best thing that happened to America this week was the death of Rush Limbaugh. His rhetoric was trash and what he did to the Republican
Party created the Trump Train.
See, this is what I dislike about the left. Not that you hate Rush Limbaugh, but that empty virtue singnalling and "rhetoric" is put as
more important that real action.
I doubt anyone is actually any better of now that Rush is dead. Are people deep in debt now with a new hope? Those whos familes are ruined
by opiods now better off? Are we freer? Richer?
None of that, yet this is the "best thing". No the best thing that
could happen would be real, meaningful change that actually had a measurable and noticeable impact on peoples lives. The left stopped caring about that, and are now just about empty virtually signalling,
and attacking those who just have a rhetoric they don't like. There
are people who during their time on Wall Street ruined thousands of peoples of lives, but that isn't as bad as just being a shock jock...
If you are going to hate, at least hate constructively.
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Boraxman to Dream Master on
Sat Feb 20 2021 12:06 pm
If you are going to hate, at least hate constructively.
The passing of Rush Limbaugh will create a vacuum that will quickly be filled by other voices filled with lies and hate. Yet, the two or
three weeks that will pass may ensure people will turn on something
else, or read a newspaper, or go to a different website and gather real information that shows truth and not hate, lies, and bigotry.
No. Trump was the product of the lies and falsehoods spewed from Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Newsmax, and the religious conservatives.
In my opinion, Trump is the result of more than 8 years of Identitary Politics from the left.
Here in Spain we are getting Abascal for pretty much the same reason.
The FACT remains that you made light of, and stated that it was a GOOD THING, that a national figure passed away, based solely on your
political beliefs, and your hatred of what he stood for. That's
shameful and wrong, and that is a simple fact (with no left/right
aspect). Your hypocrisy is almost unbelieveable, but is the norm when discussing the behavior of lefties.
Now spin that.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Gamgee <=-
So you're perfectly OK with people who say they are glad that a
national figure has passed away, and that it was the "best thing to
happen to America"? Really? You don't think anybody should be
critical of a person who says stuff like that?
I wouldn't call Rush Limbaugh a "National Figure", although he
was well known.
I also feel that people are welcome to their opinions, although
mine may vary. It's a sentiment that's sorely lacking today.
In case you were curious, I used to listen to Rush Limbaugh way
back when. I thought his fiscal philosophy had merit and it
resonated with me, but was a little idealistic.
You do reap what you sow, however. When you have a segment on
your show called "AIDS Update" where you read off the names of
recently deceased gay men with music and fanfare in the
background, you lose the high ground.
Dream Master wrote to Gamgee <=-
The FACT remains that you made light of, and stated that it was a GOOD THING, that a national figure passed away, based solely on your
political beliefs, and your hatred of what he stood for. That's
shameful and wrong, and that is a simple fact (with no left/right
aspect). Your hypocrisy is almost unbelieveable, but is the norm when discussing the behavior of lefties.
How about this: I apologize for making a statement of such
caliber. What I should've said, and what I meant to say, was
that I am glad the message Rush Limbaugh communicated is now
dead. It will likely come back from another mouthpiece but I can
only hope it will be less divisive. I would and will never wish
death upon anyone (except for someone who hurts my family and
loved ones).
Boraxman wrote to Dream Master <=-
The passing of Rush Limbaugh will create a vacuum that will quickly be filled by other voices filled with lies and hate. Yet, the two or
three weeks that will pass may ensure people will turn on something
else, or read a newspaper, or go to a different website and gather real information that shows truth and not hate, lies, and bigotry.
As I said, there are far worse things going on in the world. Its
EASY to go after Rush, but it doesn't solve much, does it?
Besides, the kind of person who dislikes Rush would be the kind
of person who would let a lot of bigotry and hate slide, because
that hate is directed at 'approved' targets.
Face it, very few, if any, people are free of racism and bigotry.
Anti-racists are some of the biggest racists around, and often
White Supremacist themselves.
People that push for equality easily come to hate and action
against people. Pretty much every one for "Social Justice" has a
dark side, and can get nasty very easily. When it comes to
bigotry in the modern world, it isn't bigotry vs no bigotry, its unapproved bigory vs approved bigotry. Look how people who
preach tolerance, how quickly they will denigrate "hicks", Men,
White people, etc, etc.
Can you Imagine if someone said that about let's say Stephen Colbert?
just to throw a name out there how they might react?
I don't like Stephen Colbert but I would never dis-respect his passing,
he has a right to his views as did Rush.
But Rush exposed who these people are without all the bad taste crap.
They'd thrown a fit. "He was one of the greatest voices of our generation/movement/whatever, how dare you, you (fill in insult towards you for being a conservative/male/whatever here)!"
No, you really see the world from a far leftist point of view.
Fox News until recent times had a leftist and conservative host's, they still do but it's leaning more left these days.
CNN, NYT, Washington post MSNBC and many others are now just opinion and gossip, they no longer dispense NEWS.
We voted Trump in to clean the swamp out, the swamp organized and did a coup, Biden will always be an ilegitimate President.
The lies and falsehoods were from the radical (DNC) controlled left.
You believe we should help each other? NO, I believe everyone that can work should get off their lazy asses and work, I take care of my own and everyone should do the same, what you wan't is a welfare state, I'm against handouts because it leads to a socialist society that want's everything for free.
If you're so in love with socialism move to a country where you can enjoy paying for everyone to sit on their fat asses while you and your ilk pay for them to survive.
No, Rush did his utmost to dispense truth and expose government corruption. that's ok you take your orders from the (DNC) like all the sheep in your party.
Anyone cane take what others say out of context and scew the real point of what someone is really saying, in this case it's Political Bias on your part.
You do reap what you sow, however. When you have a segment on your show called "AIDS Update" where you read off the names of recently deceased gay men with music and fanfare in the background, you lose the high ground.
Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Arelor to Dream Master on Sun Feb 21 2021 08:47 am
No. Trump was the product of the lies and falsehoods spewed from Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Newsmax, and the religious
conservatives.
In my opinion, Trump is the result of more than 8 years of Identitary Politics from the left.
Here in Spain we are getting Abascal for pretty much the same reason.
Identity Politics is defined as "a tendancy for people of a particular religion, race, social background, etc., to form
exclusive political alliances, moving away from the traditional broad-based party politics." Therefore, what you are saying
that 8 years of Obama led to the radical religious right with conservatisim that has reached beyond what the Republican Part
has had since its flip in the 50s and 60s?
I don't buy it.
Brian Klauss <-> Dream Master
Caught in a Dream | caughtinadream.com a Synchronet BBS
In my opinion, Trump is the result of more than 8 years of Identitary Politics from the left.Precisely!
Ahhhh, so you "didn't mean it", and that makes everything all good
again. That's a standard leftie backpedal move.
I don't believe you.
What I am saying is that 8 years of political campaign with a heavy dose of so-called "positive" discrimination lead to Trump.
The left in general has been dividing the population in manageable minorities and telling them that all their troubles are the fault of some other big group. Then they have promised to improve their position regarding that group.
If a gypsy steals a chicken from you and you complain to police that a "gypsy motherfucker" has stolen a chicken from you, you risk a bigger backslash over racism charges than the thief does over stealing the chicken here. So when people gets burnt by stating what they think it is the truth (the thief was a gypsy, and the thief was a motherfucker) they get sore about it.
As they get sore when human resources try to recruit token minority-employees that are practically unemployable. Or they apply for a job and are told they are not getting it, because they want an employee from a minority group because those get better PR or better tax conditions.
One or two of these things would not push sojebody to go radical,. but when you start piling them up over the years, while the people who pushes them tries to make you the bad guy of their narrative, or are condescending towards you at best, can somebody NOT expect things to get ugly?
If a gypsy steals a chicken from you and you complain to police that a "gypsy motherfucker" has stolen a chicken from you, you risk a bigger backslash over racism charges than the thief does over stealing the chick here. So when people gets burnt by stating what they think it is the trut (the thief was a gypsy, and the thief was a motherfucker) they get sore about it.
I understand the point are you are making, but could we look at it a little differently. Instead of calling the person a "gypsy motherfucker", why don' we simply say that a "gypsy stole a chicken and that motherfucker really pis me off." Changing the word order solves the problem of perceived racism and also makes us look more *hurt* by the theft.
Dream Master wrote to Denn <=-
Maybe I'm upper middle-class. I got where I am through hard work.
Yet, I believe it is necessary to help those less fortunate.
If you're so in love with socialism move to a country where you can enjoy paying for everyone to sit on their fat asses while you and your ilk pay for them to survive.
I love this statement. It is ridiculously divisive.
Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Arelor to Dream Master on Sun Feb 21 2021 08:47:59
In my opinion, Trump is the result of more than 8 years of Identitary Politics from the left.Precisely!
Ahhhh, so you "didn't mean it", and that makes everything all good
again. That's a standard leftie backpedal move.
I don't believe you.
That's your prerogative, but the fact remains that I don't wish death upon anyone. My initial statement was flawed and you and others brought to light that my words were, in fact, poorly conceived. I am willing to accept my mistake; you may call it backpedaling, I call it correcting a mistake.
Same here. What I can't understand is why you don't get pissed off at
the moochers who want the same things that you (and I) have, but are not willing to put in the hard work to get. They just want YOU to supply it to them, free of charge.
Yet, I believe it is necessary to help those less fortunate.
"Less fortunate", or "Less willing to work"?
Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Arelor to Dream Master on Sun Feb 21 2021 08:47:59
In my opinion, Trump is the result of more than 8 years ofPrecisely!
Identitary Politics from the left.
This is why I voted Trump twice.
*THIS* is exactly my point:
***My chicken is stolen and the way I complain about it is more important than the fact I haven't my chicken back***
Maybe I'm upper middle-class. I got where I am through hard work.
Same here. What I can't understand is why you don't get pissed off at
the moochers who want the same things that you (and I) have, but are not willing to put in the hard work to get. They just want YOU to supply it
to them, free of charge.
Yet, I believe it is necessary to help those less fortunate.
"Less fortunate", or "Less willing to work"?
If you're so in love with socialism move to a country where you can enjoy paying for everyone to sit on their fat asses while you and your ilk pay for them to survive.
I love this statement. It is ridiculously divisive.
What exactly is divisive about it? What about it isn't true? Isn't
that what socialism is? Some work, and all benefit. Everybody is
"equal". Serious question - what is not true about the statement?
I may dis agree with allot of what Dream Master say's but at least he has the courage to accept he said something he regreted, I try to do the same, I would'nt neccesarily call it back pedaling but being man enough to concede he made a mistake, I admire him for that.
Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-
Same here. What I can't understand is why you don't get pissed off at
the moochers who want the same things that you (and I) have, but are not willing to put in the hard work to get. They just want YOU to supply it
to them, free of charge.
I know I'm not the one you were replying to, but sometimes the
way I see it is that I'm going to work and provide for myself
regardless of what other people do; so, what someone else does
isn't necessarily going to bother me.
Sometimes, I think it takes too much energy to try to judge others
and be angry at what other people are doing.
Yet, I believe it is necessary to help those less fortunate.
"Less fortunate", or "Less willing to work"?
Some people are less able to work, due to a disability for
instance.
Also, what if someone wins the lottery and decides to retire
early? Would you still think there's a problem if they decide
not to work?
Dream Master wrote to Gamgee <=-
Maybe I'm upper middle-class. I got where I am through hard work.
Same here. What I can't understand is why you don't get pissed off at
the moochers who want the same things that you (and I) have, but are not willing to put in the hard work to get. They just want YOU to supply it
to them, free of charge.
I *do* get pissed off at moochers who want the same things you
and I have. Since you are the first person to ask me regarding
my position, I will go into it.
I believe you, or your spouse, *must* work to get social benefits
and those benefits apply to the non-working spouse and all
children until 26 (as long as they are living at home). Why the non-working spouse? For instance, prior to COVID, my wife was a
stay at home mother while I went to the office. She'd pick up
the children, make sure the house was taken care of, and be there
whenever they needed a parent. If she went to work, there'd be
additional expenses beyond childcare such as transportation,
dining, etc. Anyway, back to my point. I believe children who
live at home should be focused on their education. If they work,
they can pay into the social benefits.
For those that don't work or choose to be unemployed;
categorically, moochers. I believe they should still be entitled
to a standard of care.
For example, they can go to county
hospital, receive emergency care, and also obtain preventative
care. If they choose to continue living unemployed, that's what
they get and only get. Just like Social Security today, you only
get what you pay into it. Not enough credits, you won't get it a
full benefit.
Yet, I believe it is necessary to help those less fortunate.
"Less fortunate", or "Less willing to work"?
I don't understand why people are unwilling to work. Mooching
off the system should be deterred.
I think the original idea
behind the ACAs individual mandate was to force people into
getting healthcare--so they wouldn't mooch off of country run
hospitals.
I still remember being in the hospital with my
daughter (she was admitted for 11 days due to bacterial
pneumonia) and an elderly lady was helicoptered in because she
got sick. When I inquired with the nursing staff, they informed
me that this is a normal occurrence for her. Come to find out,
she didn't have insurance and was mooching off the system.
Completely unacceptable. I, on the other hand, was left with
over $20,000 in out of pocket medical bills for my daughter.
If you're so in love with socialism move to a country where you can enjoy paying for everyone to sit on their fat asses while you and your ilk pay for them to survive.
I love this statement. It is ridiculously divisive.
What exactly is divisive about it? What about it isn't true? Isn't
that what socialism is? Some work, and all benefit. Everybody is
"equal". Serious question - what is not true about the statement?
I believe there should be a _standard of care_ for medical care.
Whether I have Tier-1+ insurance and you have Tier-3, we should
receive the same care and have zero out of pocket expense.
Today, My Tier-1+ insurance costs me more, covers more, and my
out of pocket expense is more while your Tier-3 insurance covers
less, costs less, and has less or no out of pocket. If you need
a hearing aid, the insurance should cover it. In my _perfect
world_, which we will call *Socialism*, my insurance and your
insurance are the same. If I lose 3% of my paycheck to
*Socialized Healthcare* and it costs me $6000/year and you lose
3% of your paycheck and it costs you $2000/year, we both are
getting the same care. To the same point, someone right out of
college making $40K/year, is only on the hook for $1200/year.
This is a hell of a lot better than forcing them to pay more for
less.
To the point of someone who is mooching, yes, we pay for their
coverage, but they won't get all the extra benefits, the hearing
aids, bariatric surgery, the chiropractic procedures, or the knee
braces, they'll get treated and that's it.
Does this make better sense now?
In my opinion, Trump is the result of more than 8 years of Identitary Politics from the left.Precisely!
If a Leftie accuses someone of being <something bad>, it's because he actually is <something literally had a segment call AIDS Updatewhere he would mock people who had AIDS and who died of AIDS and play funny music behind him. Fuck Rush, he was a fear mongering POS.
If a Leftie accuses someone of being <something bad>, it's because he actually is
Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
No, you really see the world from a far leftist point of view.
I may dis agree with allot of what Dream Master say's but at least he
has the courage to accept he said something he regreted, I try to do
the same, I would'nt neccesarily call it back pedaling but being man
enough to concede he made a mistake, I admire him for that.
Thank you. A long time ago my conscience played an evil game with me. I wished someone death and sure enough, they died. I literally said, "God damn it, why won't you just die." Two weeks later, dead. When I made the statement about Rush Limbaugh, it was made without thinking. When someone brought to light my statement, it brought back those memories. My apology was and remains sincere.
Denn, thank you again.
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Dream Master to Arelor on
Mon Feb 22 2021 08:10 am
If a gypsy steals a chicken from you and you complain to police that a "gypsy motherfucker" has stolen a chicken from you, you risk a bigger backslash over racism charges than the thief does over stealing the chick here. So when people gets burnt by stating what they think it is the trut (the thief was a gypsy, and the thief was a motherfucker) they get sore about it.
I understand the point are you are making, but could we look at it a little differently. Instead of calling the person a "gypsy motherfucker", why don' we simply say that a "gypsy stole a chicken and that motherfucker really pis me off." Changing the word order solves the problem of perceived racism and also makes us look more *hurt* by the theft.
*THIS* is exactly my point:
***My chicken is stolen and the way I complain about it is more
important than the fact I haven't my chicken back***
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Dream Master to Gamgee on
Mon Feb 22 2021 06:52 am
Ahhhh, so you "didn't mean it", and that makes everything all good
again. That's a standard leftie backpedal move.
I don't believe you.
That's your prerogative, but the fact remains that I don't wish death upon anyone. My initial statement was flawed and you and others brought to light that my words were, in fact, poorly conceived. I am willing to accept my mistake; you may call it backpedaling, I call it correcting a mistake.
I may dis agree with allot of what Dream Master say's but at least he
has the courage to accept he said something he regreted, I try to do
the same, I would'nt neccesarily call it back pedaling but being man enough to concede he made a mistake, I admire him for that.
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Arelor to Dream Master on
Mon Feb 22 2021 11:12 am
*THIS* is exactly my point:
***My chicken is stolen and the way I complain about it is more important than the fact I haven't my chicken back***
Yet, that's the problem. We, as a people, forget that words do hurt
and affect others. If your child takes something of yours, are you
going to say, "You fucking idiot. I can't believe you stole my
chicken. Give it back to me you fucking retard"? Or, are you going to say, "Why did you take my chicken? Was that the right thing to do?
Maybe you could've asked instead." Words, they make a whole lot of difference.
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Arelor to Dream Master on
Sun Feb 21 2021 08:47:59
In my opinion, Trump is the result of more than 8 years of Identitary Politics from the left.
Precisely!
Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Arelor to Dream Master on Mon Feb 22 2021 11:12 am
*THIS* is exactly my point:
***My chicken is stolen and the way I complain about it is more important than the fact I haven't my chicken back***
Yet, that's the problem. We, as a people, forget that words do hurt and affect others. If your child takes something of
yours, are you going to say, "You fucking idiot. I can't believe you stole my chicken. Give it back to me you fucking
retard"? Or, are you going to say, "Why did you take my chicken? Was that the right thing to do? Maybe you could've asked
instead." Words, they make a whole lot of difference.
Brian Klauss <-> Dream Master
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If a gypsy steals a chicken from you and you complain to police that
a "gypsy motherfucker" has stolen a chicken from you, you risk a
That is what irritates me about these people. They are more concerned
with how something is portrayed and talked about, than what IS. There
When you are told to your face that being white, male and straight will put you at a disadvantage when going for a job, and that happens a LOT, you can understand why people would vote for the guy against that.
I used to listen to him in high school (because my family was very conservative)
ashamed of it now. At the time he said that gays deserved AIDS. After be protested by ACT UP for weeks he eventually pulled it and appologized - but who the fuck even thinks of that? I remember hearing that and being horrified that my friends were laughing.
with how something is portrayed and talked about, than what IS. There seems to be almost a mysticism in our society, where if we simply change our language, then we change the world. Workplaces police what people
say, are trying to get people to use this term instead of that, thinking that it will significantly change outcomes. This makes how you say something be treated as more important than whether something is done right.
You are more likely to be criticised where I work for using the wrong language, than in managing a failing process.
Because, using slurs indicates a bias that you have against that group. I'm so tired of (usually) white straight men getting upset when "the other" simply asks to be treated with respect. While I agree there are extremes on both sides (including cancel culture), 99% of the time, anyone who is complaining of the 'PC Police' just don't like the fact that they're finally being called out on being an asshole.Maybe true, for some values of true, but limited.
George Carlin (comedian) talked about that once. He noted that we think in language, and terms sometimes get changed over the years. He had an example where after World War 1, there was the term "shell shock" to describe the trauma that soldiers faced after battle. Then the term got changed to "battle fatigue", and eventually "post-traummatic stress disorder".That's sorta a bad example. Those terms changed with the evolving understanding of trauma suffered in combat. If you know anything about the field, you'll know that they are not the same thing with different terms, but each is a different diagnosis based on different understanding of mental (and physical) trauma.
Not really. You seem to be willing to tolerate fraud and abuse, and I
am much more against such things. I believe all members of a society (except those who CLEARLY cannot) should be pulling their own weight.
I think that is a fundamental difference between the two political
parties. Honestly, I don't want everybody "equal". That removes any incentive to work harder to get ahead, and even the chance that you
might "hit it big" and become wildly successful. Some of us call that
The American Dream.
Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Boraxman to Arelor on Tue Feb 23 2021 06:45 pm
If a gypsy steals a chicken from you and you complain to police that >> a "gypsy motherfucker" has stolen a chicken from you, you risk a
Because, using slurs indicates a bias that you have against that group. I'm so tired of (usually) white straight men getting upset when "the other" simply asks to be treated with respect. Wh
I agree there are extremes on both sides (including cancel culture), 99% of the time, anyone who is complaining of the 'PC Police' just don't like the fact that they're finally being called
on being an asshole.
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Not really. You seem to be willing to tolerate fraud and abuse, and I
am much more against such things. I believe all members of a society (except those who CLEARLY cannot) should be pulling their own weight.
I think that is a fundamental difference between the two political
parties. Honestly, I don't want everybody "equal". That removes any incentive to work harder to get ahead, and even the chance that you
might "hit it big" and become wildly successful. Some of us call that
The American Dream.
I decided against block quoting parts of your response as I
wanted to say this: I believe you offer valid points that those
who choose to abuse the system shouldn't be entitled to the same
standard of care that the rest of us *should* get. There is a
problem, though, and that is how to define someone who is indeed
taking advantage of the system. My example, the lady who would
get flown in to receive care for free while I was left on the
hook for my daughter's hospitalization, makes me loathe people
who sit there, too lazy to do anything, and get free care.
Let me pause here.
The compassionate side of me wants to ensure everyone is taken
care of whether they can afford it or not. People shouldn't have
to go into debt to receive medical care and that medical care
should be part of a _standard of care_ that everyone *should* be
entitled to.
The cynical side of me sits here and wishes those who take
advantage of the generosity of others, to receive the most basic
of care and nothing more. Why? Because we can't have people
dropping dead on the streets or in shelters because they aren't
getting vaccinated or treated for medical conditions.
Yes, I hate paying increased premiums because my insurance
company feels the need to subsidize lower tier plans offered by
mass employers of unskilled laborers, but I also know that they
are at least working, trying to make a living, and should have
healthcare.
...again, my only concern for those that refuse to work not
because of disability is that we can't have them dropping dead,
infecting others, or becoming even a greater burden on society.
Unpausing.
I agree that the ACA was flawed from the start. Medicare is, for
all intents, a massive group medical plan. The savings derived
from Medicare is due to its scale. The ACA could have easily
become part of Medicare and the premiums charged would be more
in-line with reality (and affordability). Why the Democrats
chose to screw it up and not bring it inline with Medicare is
beyond me and reason.
Oh, well, I see your point and that of others. Hopefully, you
see where I'm coming from and why I find it difficult to say "no"
to people yet there's a whole part of me that is screaming "NO!!!
I'm sick of giving you handouts!!!"
The US doesn't have much a far left - other countries have far
left parties that advocate for the complete abolition of private
property and religion.
Because what IS is a lot of systemic racism and part of it is the
fact that what is said and how it is said does indeed matter.
Systemic racism (and homophobia, and other isms and obias) ...
example where after World War 1, there was the term "shell shock" to describe the trauma that soldiers faced after battle. Then the term got changed to "battle fatigue", and eventually "post-traummatic stress disorder".
Yea. My Dr. called it severe "panic disorder". No govt. checks for it, but when you are in the armed services they call it "post-traummatic stress disorder and you get govt. checks and more. Think somethings wrong with "the system"?? So what's in a name? That was 35 years ago. I hope things have changed but I'll be it hasn't.Check the DSVIV and DSVV. In the IV version, PTSD was defined so broadly that people who were shouted at too loudly could be diagnosed with it (OK, a little bit of hyperbole). The new one is supposed to correct that somewhat with a seperate diagnoses reserved for "... as a result of sustained exposure to combat ..."
ashamed of it now. At the time he said that gays deserved AIDS. After be protested by ACT UP for weeks he eventually pulled it and appologized - but who the fuck even thinks of that? I remember hearing that and being horrified that my friends were laughing.
Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Denn to Dream Master on Sun Feb 21 2021 10:43 am
Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
No, you really see the world from a far leftist point of view.
The US doesn't have much a far left - other countries have far left parties that advocate for the complete abolition of private property and religion. Here our radical "far left" has been asking police to not murder people for decades, recently starting kneeling during sportsball games, and asking politicians to not let people in poverty die from lack of healthcare.
If a gypsy steals a chicken from you and you complain to police that >> a "gypsy motherfucker" has stolen a chicken from you, you risk a
Because, using slurs indicates a bias that you have against that group. I'm so tired of (usually) white straight men getting upset when "the other"
Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Boraxman to BoonDock on Tue Feb 23 2021 06:56 pm
When you are told to your face that being white, male and straight will put you at a disadvantage when going for a job, and that happens a LOT, you can understand why people would vote for the guy against that.
lol That is the most rediculous thing I have ever heard.
appologized - but who the fuck even thinks of that? I remember hearing that and being horrified that my friends were laughing.
I remember hearing about a time in 2010 when Rush was talking with a fake Chinese accent, mocking a Chinese guy.
On 2/22/2021 11:32 PM, nolageek wrote:
The US doesn't have much a far left - other countries have far
left parties that advocate for the complete abolition of private
property and religion.
Have you not paid *any* attention to Seattle or Portland areas this
past year?
At least in Spanish, "gypsy" is no slur. It is an accepted denomination that they themselves use.
IMHO one of the biggest challenges socities face is how to motivate people to want to work when you have a large segment of the population that are only able/willing to work thankless, tedious, low paying jobs.
I have in the past split my ticket between Dems and Reps, but the left has
just gone batshit crazy these last four years, If I vote for a Dem now my vote >is literally thrown away.
So now I have to take a chance that the Repulican isn't a rino.
I don't really have the energy to comment on this one any further. I do
see your points, and am glad that you can see mine to some extent. I suspect you have a little more compassion for others than I do, perhaps
it's one of my flaws. If there was a way to provide basic/reasonable healthcare for freeloaders, I wouldn't be against that in principle, I
just dislike being FORCED to pay for them if I don't want to. Again I
want to stress that I know there is a difference between freeloaders and those who really do need help. I believe it is possible to
differentiate between the two, and that we could do that if we wanted
to. It would cost money to do, but probably much less than is being
wasted by the current system. So it would be a win-win if politicians
on both sides would just do it.
The irony of opening up a reply by accusing someone you dont know of being a bigot,
simply because you found they listen to some particular radio show
host.
Rush wasn't a hate monger, Everything he said he backed up.
Most of what you said is unintelligible, makes no sense.
It's always people like you that call others bigot's that are the real bigot
The best thing that happened to America this week was the death of Rush Limbaugh. His rhetoric was trash and what he did to the Republican Party created the Trump Train.
He is a troll. He obviously posted what he posted as a provocation, and he knows it. He pretty much has admitted he expected "interesting" replites.
True he really makes little to no sense in his post's
He should go back to being a twitter troll.
I need to check Diaspora out again. I've been playing on Mastodon, but I can never seem to spell it correctly and end up on a clickbait site. :(
It's be nice to find an alternative social platform and get all of the BBS traffic off of Facebook.
and mean spirited, from the so called party of tollerance.
I mean... Rush did a segments on his shows mocking people who died of AIDS a also continually said school shooting were faked hoaxes.
Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Arelor to nolageek on Tue Feb 23 2021 02:43 pm
At least in Spanish, "gypsy" is no slur. It is an accepted denomination that they themselves use.
'Gypsy' is considered derogatory by some members of the Romani people (the Roma) and has been for as long as I can remember. I think it can be used as
Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Dux to nolageek on Tue Feb 23 2021 03:33 pm
IMHO one of the biggest challenges socities face is how to motivate people to want to work when you have a large segment of the population that are only able/willing to work thankless, tedious, low paying jobs.
Easy, thank them, make it easier for them, and pay them more.
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Boraxman to Arelor on
Tue Feb 23 2021 06:45 pm
If a gypsy steals a chicken from you and you complain to police that
a "gypsy motherfucker" has stolen a chicken from you, you risk a
Because, using slurs indicates a bias that you have against that group. I'm so tired of (usually) white straight men getting upset when "the other" simply asks to be treated with respect. While I agree there are extremes on both sides (including cancel culture), 99% of the time,
anyone who is complaining of the 'PC Police' just don't like the fact
that they're finally being called out on being an asshole.
That is what irritates me about these people. They are more concerned
with how something is portrayed and talked about, than what IS. There
Because what IS is a lot of systemic racism and part of it is the fact that what is said and how it is said does indeed matter. Systemic
racism (and homophobia, and other isms and obias) thrived because
people didn't talk about it for so long or when they did they're voiced were suprssed. Now that people are talking about it and calling people
out via social media, it's making people uncomfortable and angry. It
may not matter to YOU because you are not a member of the group that it matters to. It's as simple as that.
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Boraxman to BoonDock on
Tue Feb 23 2021 06:56 pm
When you are told to your face that being white, male and straight will put you at a disadvantage when going for a job, and that happens a LOT, you can understand why people would vote for the guy against that.
lol That is the most rediculous thing I have ever heard.
Yes, white straight men - the most oppressed group! lol
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Boraxman to Arelor on
Tue Feb 23 2021 06:45 pm
with how something is portrayed and talked about, than what IS. There seems to be almost a mysticism in our society, where if we simply change our language, then we change the world. Workplaces police what people
say, are trying to get people to use this term instead of that, thinking that it will significantly change outcomes. This makes how you say something be treated as more important than whether something is done right.
You are more likely to be criticised where I work for using the wrong language, than in managing a failing process.
George Carlin (comedian) talked about that once. He noted that we
think in language, and terms sometimes get changed over the years. He
had an example where after World War 1, there was the term "shell
shock" to describe the trauma that soldiers faced after battle. Then
the term got changed to "battle fatigue", and eventually
"post-traummatic stress disorder".
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: nolageek to Boraxman on
Tue Feb 23 2021 09:49:08
Because, using slurs indicates a bias that you have against that group. I'm so tired of (usually) white straight men getting upset when "the other" simply asks to be treated with respect. While I agree there are extremes on both sides (including cancel culture), 99% of the time, anyone who is complaining of the 'PC Police' just don't like the fact that they're finally being called out on being an asshole.
Maybe true, for some values of true, but limited.
With the demise of free speech, the invention of the term "hate speech" and the creeping inclination to believe that "speech is voilence" it's
led to MORE bigotry not less. As am exaple, I point you to my home
country where there is Affirmative Action to protect the majority from
the minority. Where appointments on the basis of race are explicitly permitted, by definition racist, and in fact encouraged. The narrative though is that you cannot be racist if you discriminate against whites. (Plenty of references out there if you want them)
The ol (classical) liberal ideals, which literally paved the way for
the rise of Western Civilisation, are now seen as "conservative" and
are bad. It amazes me that no-one (on the left) seems to grasp that the politics of identity are the politics of separation and bigotry. They
are complete anathema to the concepts on which WC (and the USA Specifically) was founded. If there is no *absolute* freedom of speech, association and movement, then you are entering the territory of the oppressor. If you want to know what facism is (note small f) then it's exactly this, one group determining the "correct" way to think, act or speak and imposing it by force on everyone else. If you are wondering
why there is a general trend towards conservatism, it's because of
this. It's the realisation that the so-called *PC Culture*, the
*Identity politics* etc is about social control, about power. If you
want to understand the election in 2016, and most of the events since, then you have to understand this. The "basket of deplorables" have had enough. Enough of being told what to think, how to behave, what they
are allowed to teach their children, where and how they are allowed to worship their gods, who they must venerate and who they must denigrate. They are tired of the mob. Not that the ID politics is WRONG intrinsically, but that they are being coerced into these things irrespective of their personal beliefs. Used to be a time when we would say things like "I completely disagree, even hate, the things you say,
but I will defend with my life your right/ability to say them." When
that became "If you say what I don't like, you will be pilloried,
doxed, fired and jailed because I don't like what you *said*" that was
the final straw for many people, and not just in the USA I assure you.
Trump might well be a venal, despicable man, but he was the first to
stand up and say exactly what he was thnking without fear of the mob. Simply that was enough. I remember that moment in the 2016 campaign
when he spoke out about *illegal immigration* nd the press attacked him for being *racist*. When his response was to double down, and point out the hypocrisy, I knew then he would win the nomination.
I despise racism of all kinds, yet I must celebrate, encourage and propagate racist acts and laws against mine! That's not just no, that's hell no. Get this straight, when the left promotes the old ideas of *equal* treatment, and fights against anything that prevents that, then they will regain the moral high ground. That's the opposite of what
they want though; they want *special* treatment for each *special*
group.
NO!
I understand the point are you are making, but could we look at it a little differently. Instead of calling the person a "gypsy motherfucker", why don' we simply say that a "gypsy stole a chicken and that motherfucker really pis me off." Changing the word order solves the problem of perceived racism and also makes us look more *hurt* by the theft.
I understand the point are you are making, but could we look at it a litt differently. Instead of calling the person a "gypsy motherfucker", why d we simply say that a "gypsy stole a chicken and that motherfucker really me off." Changing the word order solves the problem of perceived racism also makes us look more *hurt* by the theft.
*THIS* is exactly my point:
***My chicken is stolen and the way I complain about it is more important th the fact I haven't my chicken back***
courage to accept he said something he regreted, I try to do the same, I would'nt neccesarily call it back pedaling but being man enough to concede h made a mistake, I admire him for that.
appologized - but who the fuck even thinks of that? I remember
hearing that and being horrified that my friends were laughing.
I remember hearing about a time in 2010 when Rush was talking with a
fake Chinese accent, mocking a Chinese guy.
yeah he probably did that. he was a shock jock.
I have in the past split my ticket between Dems and Reps, but the left
has just gone batshit crazy these last four years, If I vote for a Dem
now my vote is literally thrown away.
So now I have to take a chance that the Repulican isn't a rino.
I have also. There are some local candidates that I like. There used to even be some US House/Senate candidates that I liked. Any more, the national level machine has been standing up the Democrat candidates for KY in those races also. Their values more mirror the DNC than the local
party so, even if I don't like one of our senators or my rep, unless a third-party candidate runs and sounds reasonable, I wind up voting for the incumbent R.
There once was a time I would not vote for McConnell but the candidates the DNC and the D voters in Louisville manage to get nominated have not lately been people I could ever vote for.
Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Arelor to Dream Master on Mon Feb 22 2021 11:12:08
I understand the point are you are making, but could we look at it a litt
differently. Instead of calling the person a "gypsy motherfucker", why d we
simply say that a "gypsy stole a chicken and that motherfucker really me off
Changing the word order solves the problem of perceived racism also makes us
look more *hurt* by the theft.
*THIS* is exactly my point:
***My chicken is stolen and the way I complain about it is more important th the
fact I haven't my chicken back***
No. You should get your damn chicken back. Just don't be surprised when peopl
assume that you're a bigot because of the way your words were ordered.
George Carlin (comedian) talked about that once. He noted that we
think in language, and terms sometimes get changed over the years.
He had an example where after World War 1, there was the term "shell
shock" to describe the trauma that soldiers faced after battle.
Then the term got changed to "battle fatigue", and eventually
"post-traummatic stress disorder".
Not quite analogous. George was referring to how the terminology changed to become more and more accurate, to more and more reflect reality as we learned more.
What I'm talking about, is people changing the terms to try and change reality.
Its in fact the opposite. ITs like people saying "call it shell shock instead of PTSD so we don't stigmatise people and help them recover".
The US doesn't have much a far left - other countries have far
left parties that advocate for the complete abolition of private
property and religion.
Have you not paid *any* attention to Seattle or Portland areas this
past year?
Actually, from what I remember, George Carlin was trying to say they were trying to take the humanity out of the terminology, making it sound less urgent of an issue, or something to that effect.
I think part of George Carlin's point was trying to change terms to try to change reality (because people think in language).
If that's true, then George Carlin was wrong.
The three terms have some overlapping issues, but refer to different things. For example, "shell-shock" is used currently. It refers primarily to the physical effects. Things like being caught in a concussive blast and suffering TBI and various other damage from the blast wave.
PS: I'm a Qualified IEDD Operator (EOD). I deployed as "Combat Demolitions Team Leader" with the SA Army as part of the Force Intervention Brigade in
and mean spirited, from the so called party of tollerance.
Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Nightfox to nolageek on Tue Feb 23 2021 08:12 am
appologized - but who the fuck even thinks of that? I remember hearing that and being horrified that my friends were laughing.
I remember hearing about a time in 2010 when Rush was talking with a fake Chinese accent, mocking a Chinese guy.
yeah he probably did that. he was a shock jock.
Yes, white straight men - the most oppressed group! lol
Its' literally company policy in many places to have quotas, which forces them to select against men.
Do you think I'm a bloody idiot? Do you think that I'm just going to accept puttiny myself and my children at a disadvantage, because you think so? Because of YOUR moral code?
NO!
Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Denn to Dumas Walker on Sat Feb 20 2021 01:58 pm
and mean spirited, from the so called party of tollerance.
This notion that this left is the "party of tolerance' is a right wing fabrication and psychobabble (to use a phrase of Rush Limbaugh).
Google the tolerance paradox.
It is perfectly acceptable to not tolerate intolerance.
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Vague to Gamgee on Sat Feb 20 2021 21:00:00
I mean... Rush did a segments on his shows mocking people who died of AIDS a also continually said school shooting were faked hoaxes.
Crap, I was just using the AIDS segment as an example of what a
piece of shit he was for all of my replies here... Now I'm going to be accused of having gotten that from you, probably. ;)
I guess I could fall back on some quotes of his:
* The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies.
* They\u2019re 12 percent of the population. Who the hell cares?
* [To an African American female caller]: \u201cTake that bone out of your nose and call me back.\u201d
I could go on, but I won't.
I'm glad that someone else knew offhand about the AIDS segment, at least. Some of the shit he did on that show was so morally repugnant it was absurd. People drawn to that kind of rhetoric remind me more than anything of dogs smelling each others' shit.
There once was a time I would not vote for McConnell but the candidates the DNC and the D voters in Louisville manage to get nominated have not lately been people I could ever vote for.
It's a shame that olny people that party leaders push get into office.
PS: I'm a Qualified IEDD Operator (EOD). I deployed as "Combat Demolitions Team Leader" with the SA Army as part of the Force Intervention Brigade in
Thank you for your service and for explaining this better than I was able to, or would ever be able to. :)
The US doesn't have much a far left - other countries have far
left parties that advocate for the complete abolition of private
property and religion.
Have you not paid *any* attention to Seattle or Portland areas
this past year?
I think what he's saying is that the far left in the US is
nothing compared to the far left in other countries.
Thank you for your service and for explaining this better than I was able to, or would ever be able to. :)Pleasure. I'm no medical professional, but have suffered both.
If it is a "fucking kid" who steals your chicken, nobody accuses you of anything despite the fact you are (according to your logic) throwing shit gainst kids.
"Intolerance" being defined as "Position held by people who does not sympathise with my party."
Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: nolageek to BoonDock on Wed Feb 24 2021 14:05:06
Thank you for your service and for explaining this better than I was able to, or would ever be able to. :)Pleasure. I'm no medical professional, but have suffered both.
BTW, the US thing about saying "thank you for your service", while the sentiment is appreciated, it feels kinda uncomfortable. I did what I did and don't *need* to be thanked.
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All I wanted to add to the whole Rush Limbaugh conversation is... the
guy was an incredible broadcaster. Anybody who doesn't realize that
could never do what Rush did every day. Try to talk non-stop for 10 minutes. He did it for 3 hours.
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So out of those billions of words you found a few you could use to hate him? Ehhh. Seems silly. The guy was good at what he did, and it will
be hard to replace him.
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In case I was not clear, Trump was put up there precisely because they would steal your chicken, you would complain, and the conversation
would degenerate in a blamegame in which you would be blamed for hurting the thief's feelings.
So you get wronged, then society backs the wrongdoer instead of you.
And calls you a racist mysoginist loser whose parents were brothers,
while they are at it.
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Because, using slurs indicates a bias that you have against that group. I'm so tired of (usually) white straight men getting upset when "the other" simply asks to be treated with respect.
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lol That is the most rediculous thing I have ever heard.
Yes, white straight men - the most oppressed group! lol
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who the fuck even thinks of that? I remember hearing that and being horrified that my friends were laughing.
well, at the time gays were extremely promiscuous and didnt care about STDS. they had a pill for most things so they behaved in that manner.
in a way, aids was natures check and balance.
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is that what fucking wikipedia told you?
you dont know anything. my family were gypsies over there and some of
them are american gypsies. there's nothing derogatory about it.
and mean spirited, from the so called party of tollerance.
This notion that this left is the "party of tolerance' is a right wing fabrication and psychobabble (to use a phrase of Rush Limbaugh).
Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Arelor to Sprite on Wed Feb 24 2021 07:24 am
If it is a "fucking kid" who steals your chicken, nobody accuses you of anything despite the fact you are (according t
your logic) throwing shit gainst kids.
I guess I'm gonna bite this piece of troll meat, because why not.
Because "kid" isn't a slur. If you were to say "that fucking ______ kid stole my chicken" w(here you fill in the blank with
chosen slur), it signals that part of the reason you're mad is because of the adjective you included because otherwise you
would would not have used it.
I really want to know what's so great about your chickens.
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lol That is the most rediculous thing I have ever heard.
Yes, white straight men - the most oppressed group! lol
Yeah, for all the times that a white male didn't get a job backfilling a position held by a member of an ethnic minority gr
because it would mess
up the EEOC numbers, there's a shit-ton of white male politicians, CEOs, business VPs and so forth.
While it sounds apocryphal, I saw it firsthand, on 2 occasions.
It shouldn't discount the former - the advantages offered by the latter don't mean much to someone looking for a low-end job somewhere.
... Abandon desire
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Boraxman to Nightfox on
Tue Feb 23 2021 10:03 pm
George Carlin (comedian) talked about that once. He noted that we
think in language, and terms sometimes get changed over the years.
He had an example where after World War 1, there was the term "shell
shock" to describe the trauma that soldiers faced after battle.
Then the term got changed to "battle fatigue", and eventually
"post-traummatic stress disorder".
Not quite analogous. George was referring to how the terminology changed to become more and more accurate, to more and more reflect reality as we learned more.
Actually, from what I remember, George Carlin was trying to say they
were trying to take the humanity out of the terminology, making it
sound less urgent of an issue, or something to that effect.
What I'm talking about, is people changing the terms to try and change reality.
Its in fact the opposite. ITs like people saying "call it shell shock instead of PTSD so we don't stigmatise people and help them recover".
I think part of George Carlin's point was trying to change terms to try
to change reality (because people think in language).
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Boraxman to nolageek on Tue Feb 23 2021 10:00 pm
Yes, white straight men - the most oppressed group! lol
Its' literally company policy in many places to have quotas, which forces them to select against men.
this dude doesnt even have a real job.
Do you think I'm a bloody idiot? Do you think that I'm just going to accept puttiny myself and my children at a disadvantage, because you think so? Because of YOUR moral code?
NO!
like i said he's an idiot gay dude from canada who plays little kids games. probably a pedo too. ---
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: nolageek to Denn on Tue Feb 23 2021 01:32 am
Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Denn to Dream Master on Sun Feb 21 2021 10:43 am
Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
No, you really see the world from a far leftist point of view.
The US doesn't have much a far left - other countries have far left parties that advocate for the complete abolition of private property and religion. Here our radical "far left" has been asking police to not murder people for decades, recently starting kneeling during sportsball games, and asking politicians to not let people in poverty die from lack of healthcare.
that's an interesting but incorrect assesment of politics
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Sprite to Arelor on
Tue Feb 23 2021 09:03 pm
Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Arelor to Dream Master on Mon Feb 22 2021 11:12:08
I understand the point are you are making, but could we look at it a
ttwhy
differently. Instead of calling the person a "gypsy motherfucker",
d wema
me offsimply say that a "gypsy stole a chicken and that motherfucker really
Changing the word order solves the problem of perceived racism also
kes us
look more *hurt* by the theft.
when*THIS* is exactly my point:
***My chicken is stolen and the way I complain about it is more importantth the
fact I haven't my chicken back***
No. You should get your damn chicken back. Just don't be surprised
peopl
assume that you're a bigot because of the way your words were ordered.
But here is the thing:
If it is a "fucking kid" who steals your chicken, nobody accuses you of anything despite the fact you are (according to your logic) throwing
shit gainst kids.
If it is a doctor, or the guy from the next village, nobody accuses you
of anything.
My theory is that this is so because kids or guys from the next village don't have political or mediatic power enough to enforce their will the same way certain ethnic groups do. Which leads me to believe it is not
a race struggle at all buan old good powergrab.
Essentially, you get a wrong done against you and a large chuck of society backs the wrongdoer and paints you as a villain. Have that done three times in a row and you vote the first candidate who promises to end such thing.
More power to them. I'd thought about buying a VW camper in 1992 when I needed a car and had a job with a ton of PTO. That would have been the time to travel around the country, but predated the possibility of making money documenting it.
Being a white straight man and automatically assumed to be biased because of my demographic is more upsetting to me - and dripping with irony.
This notion that this left is the "party of tolerance' is a right
wing fabrication and psychobabble (to use a phrase of Rush
No the Democrats bill themselves as the party of tollerance, as in
accepting everyone no matter what, that is except conservatives.
I've heard it said that "Liberals are one mugging away from being Conservatives". It holds some truth. You can see it in the stats of people
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Because, using slurs indicates a bias that you have against that group. I'm so tired of (usually) white straight men getting upset when "the other" simply asks to be treated with respect.
Being a white straight man and automatically assumed to be biased
because of my demographic is more upsetting to me - and dripping with irony.
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: nolageek to Arelor on
Thu Feb 25 2021 12:25 am
Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Arelor to Sprite on Wed Feb 24 2021 07:24 am
If it is a "fucking kid" who steals your chicken, nobody accuses you ofanything despite the fact you are (according t
your logic) throwing shit gainst kids.
I guess I'm gonna bite this piece of troll meat, because why not.
Because "kid" isn't a slur. If you were to say "that fucking ______ kid
my chicken" w(here you fill in the blank withthe
chosen slur), it signals that part of the reason you're mad is because of
adjective you included because otherwise you
would would not have used it.
I really want to know what's so great about your chickens.
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Thing is "gypsy" would not be considered a racial slur around here. Specially because gypsies define themselves as gypsy and have a
national gypsy day and used to have a gypsy party.
But the point stands that when somebody steals your chicken youn get
the PC crowd addressing you for complaining because you are not kind enough to the guy who stole your chicken, instead of addressing the
real problem ("Why the hell did they steal your chicken?") I suspect it
is often because the reason why your chicken was stolen has ethnical or cultural implications and they don't want to touch the subject with a 10-feet long pole, but that is another matter.
Essentially, you get a wrong done against you and a large chuck of
society backs the wrongdoer and paints you as a villain. Have that done three times in a row and you vote the first candidate who promises to
end such thing.
Well, I've been mugged twice. :)We can all see you're deliberately contrarian, so I would take you as the classic statistical outlier ....
So out of those billions of words you found a few you could use to hate him? Ehhh. Seems silly. The guy was good at what he did, and it will be hard to replace him.
I'd never heard the percentage-of-words ratio used as a measure of good.
I hope I never do again, or to hear someone speak of a death rate as a percentage of population as "acceptable".
Trumps followers fell for it, hook, line and sinker. Kavanaugh should have gotten a DARVO emmy for his performance.
Being a white straight man and automatically assumed to be biased because of my demographic is more upsetting to me - and dripping with irony.
well, at the time gays were extremely promiscuous and didnt care about STDS. they had a pill for most things so they behaved in that manner. in a way, aids was natures check and balance.
As someone who lived in the San Francisco bay area all of my life, and in San Francisco in the early 80s, I saw the government's lackadaisical response to the AIDS crisis (because it only affected "the gays"), and saw
I have friends my age who walk through the Castro district and realize that there's few people 50+ in the community because of how AIDS took its toll on a generation of gay men.
They know this because they were going to funerals several times a month for way too long.
is that what fucking wikipedia told you?
you dont know anything. my family were gypsies over there and some of them are american gypsies. there's nothing derogatory about it.
I wonder when this generation of #vanlife millenials will adopt the term?
It might help their instagram and Youtube numbers.
More power to them. I'd thought about buying a VW camper in 1992 when I needed a car and had a job with a ton of PTO. That would have been the time to travel around the country, but predated the possibility of making money documenting it.
like i said he's an idiot gay dude from canada who plays little kids games. probably a pedo too. ---
Yeah, but there are many like this. So many people seem to think that they can just tell people "You will have to lump this program against you", and not expect anything in return. This view is really, really common. They are honestly genuinely surprised when "whites" and "males" and "straights" and "Christians" don't go along with knocking themselves down a peg or two in the social heirarchy. It's as if they are so mired in self-hatred and self-deprecation they are repelled and shocked when they meed someone who isn't.
BTW, the US thing about saying "thank you for your service", while the
sentiment is appreciated, it feels kinda uncomfortable. I did what I
did and don't *need* to be thanked.
yeah i think the thank you for your service thing is stupid and i dont know where it started.
this guy nolageek is a canadian, though.
This notion that this left is the "party of tolerance' is a right
wing fabrication and psychobabble (to use a phrase of Rush
No the Democrats bill themselves as the party of tollerance, as in
By definition supporting 'tolerance' does not include supporting 'intolerance'
accepting everyone no matter what, that is except conservatives.
The left proclaimng to accept everyone "no matter what" is not a thing, never has been. Again, more Republican propaganda nonsense.
Trumps followers fell for it, hook, line and sinker. Kavanaugh should
have gotten a DARVO emmy for his performance.
what i fell for was the great economy and the low unemployment. also the simplified tax code and the laws that were established.
i fell hook line and sinker.
The left proclaimng to accept everyone "no matter what" is not a thing, never has been. Again, more Republican propaganda nonsense.
Wrong, why don't you stick to things you know like your Country, It's pretty lame to have outsiders telling us what goes on where we live!
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No the Democrats bill themselves as the party of tollerance, as in accepting everyone no matter what, that is except conservatives.
The left proclaimng to accept everyone "no matter what" is not a
thing, never has been. Again, more Republican propaganda nonsense.
Wrong, why don't you stick to things you know like your Country, It's pretty lame to have outsiders telling us what goes on where we live!
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu Feb 25 2021 07:06 pm
like i said he's an idiot gay dude from canada who plays little kids games. probably a pedo too. ---
Yeah, but there are many like this. So many people seem to think that they can just tell people "You will have to lump this program against you", and not expect anything in return. This view is really, really common. They are honestly genuinely surprised when "whites" and "males" and "straights" and "Christians" don't go along with knocking themselves down a peg or two in the social heirarchy. It's as if they are so mired in self-hatred and self-deprecation they are repelled and shocked when they meed someone who isn't.
i just dont get why these canadians are so hateful towards the usa and obsessed with our politics. they have some serious issues THEY need to deal with. they need to clean up their own back yard.
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: poindexter FORTRAN to nolageek
on Wed Feb 24 2021 06:07 am
Being a white straight man and automatically assumed to be biased because of my demographic is more upsetting to me - and dripping with irony.
We all have biases - why do you think you don't? I am a white man and
am contsantly working on being able to recognise my biases when it
comes to issues that affect others and many times struggle to see
things from other perpectives.
Having biases from our experiences isn't our fault. Refusing to
recognise them and learning from others when they point them out IS our fault. I get called out LOTS of times by my friends who are members of different communities. Growing this way is a process that takes effort. It's hard.
The right seems to think that the left all think they're perfect - when really, they call themselves out all the time. So called "cancel
culture" isn't only left->right thing.
I don't know about Canada, but in Australia there is definately this idea that Americans are gun-crazy, war loving, Trump voting crazies. So that gives people an opportunity to act morally superior by promoting their virtues as being better. They think their Liberal ideas are better because they don't have school shootings.
this guy nolageek is a canadian, though.
Maybe we should stick our noses in the the boring Canadian Government, We could start with talking about that nimrod PM Justin Trudeau and their failed socalized Medicene, and their high tax rates.
Let's see I have known Canadians that come to the USA for Medical procedures because the health care in Canadia Sucks swamp water. (there is no competetion).
What I keep seeing now, is the left is eating it's self figurativly.
the internal fighting going on in the DNC is getting worse.
And all the leftist's that fell for the Biden Harris crap hook line and sinker.
Wrong, why don't you stick to things you know like your Country, It's pretty lame to have outsiders telling us what goes on where we live!
What are you even talking about? I'm from New Orleans (the nola in my name) and I moved to Washington, DC after Katrina.
I know it's isn't an airport, but I'm announcing my departure from this whole conversation.
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I don't know about Canada, but in Australia there is definately this idea that Americans are gun-crazy, war loving, Trump voting crazies. So that gives people an opportunity to act morally superior by promoting their virtues as being better. They think their Liberal ideas are better because
I don't know about Canada, but in Australia there is definately this idea that Americans are gun-crazy, war loving, Trump voting crazies.
So that gives people an opportunity to act morally superior by promoting their virtues as being better. They think their Liberal ideas are better because they don't have school shootings.
On the other hand, American ideas DO spread outwards, so there is good reason to watch closely. For example, the Woke poison infects other countries, so its not like its true to say that what happens in the USA is none of our concern.
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More power to them. I'd thought about buying a VW camper in 1992 when I needed a car and had a job with a ton of PTO. That would have been the time to travel around the country, but predated the possibility of making money documenting it.
You could have been a pioneer in that area. ;)
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also death is very important. people need to die every day. 150,000 people die every day.
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what i fell for was the great economy and the low unemployment. also
the simplified tax code and the laws that were established.
i fell hook line and sinker.
so how good is your guy biden?
i dont hear ANY liberals say anything about how good biden is.
also death is very important. people need to die every day. 150,000 people die every day.
Now some tone-deaf twit is going to downplay the number of Corona deaths by comparing the number of Corona deaths to total deaths...
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what i fell for was the great economy and the low unemployment. also the simplified tax code and the laws that were established.
i fell hook line and sinker.
so how good is your guy biden?
i dont hear ANY liberals say anything about how good biden is.
Wow.
There is some interesting stuff out there that points out that this concept that humans are some sort of virus that is over-running the planet is pretty much hogwash.also death is very important. people need to die every day. 150,000
people die every day.
i just dont get why these canadians are so hateful towards the usa and obsessed with our politics. they have some serious issues THEY need to deal with. they need to clean up their own back yard.
I don't know about Canada, but in Australia there is definately this
idea that Americans are gun-crazy, war loving, Trump voting crazies.
So that gives people an opportunity to act morally superior by
promoting their virtues as being better. They think their Liberal
ideas are better because they don't have school shootings.
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Denn to MRO on Fri Feb 26 2021 01:04 am
this guy nolageek is a canadian, though.
Maybe we should stick our noses in the the boring Canadian Government, We could start with talking about that nimrod PM Justin Trudeau and their failed socalized Medicene, and their high tax rates.
Let's see I have known Canadians that come to the USA for Medical procedures because the health care in Canadia Sucks swamp water. (there is no competetion).
yeah they are taxed up the ass, have to live in a crappy expensive apartment, they are living in poverty and for some reason they have to talk about our orange man who improved our economy and brought
i just dont get why these canadians are so hateful towards the usa and obsessed
with our politics. they have some serious issues THEY need to deal with. >they need to clean up their own back yard.
Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: poindexter FORTRAN to MRO on Fri Feb 26 2021 05:59:00
There is some interesting stuff out there that points out that this concept that humans are some sort of virus that is over-running the planet is pretty much hogwash.also death is very important. people need to die every day. 150,000
people die every day.
It's a persistent "green" meme thoug which enfuriates me.
yeah they are taxed up the ass, have to live in a crappy expensive apartment, they are living in poverty and for some reason they have to talk about our orange man who improved our economy and brought
So you're a Trump supporter. That explains a lot.
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Boraxman to MRO on Fri Feb 26 2021 11:55 pm
I don't know about Canada, but in Australia there is definately this idea that Americans are gun-crazy, war loving, Trump voting crazies. So that gives people an opportunity to act morally superior by promoting their virtues as being better. They think their Liberal ideas are better because
i think it's the media doing that from what i've heard.
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Boraxman to MRO on Fri
Feb 26 2021 11:55 pm
I don't know about Canada, but in Australia there is definately this idea that Americans are gun-crazy, war loving, Trump voting crazies.
I don't speak for all Canadians but I think most of us look at the US
as being a close friend and ally, a neighbor in good times and bad.
So that gives people an opportunity to act morally superior by promoting their virtues as being better. They think their Liberal ideas are better because they don't have school shootings.
We have had school shootings here and crazies that go on a murderous rampage for reasons that are not well understood. There is not much of
a moral high ground for us to stand on.
On the other hand, American ideas DO spread outwards, so there is good reason to watch closely. For example, the Woke poison infects other countries, so its not like its true to say that what happens in the USA is none of our concern.
America has been a leader in so many of ways and we partner with them
on many projects and things that need doing.
yeah they are taxed up the ass, have to live in a crappy
expensive apartment, they are living in poverty and for
some reason they have to talk about our orange man who
improved our economy and brought
So you're a Trump supporter. That explains a lot.
our current president is already starting a war and
motherfucker goes to bed at 7pm.
Australia needs US as a counter balance to China. Australia is hedging its bets between the USA and China. Our nation is still tied to the USA with the ANZUS treaty, but is courting Chinese business and influence, China being a major trading partner.
If it came to war between the US and China, Australia would be faced with a stark decision, side with the US and lose Chinese support (and get pummeled by the Chinese influence which has been allowed to develop), or... Well, there is no or.
I'm reading that his routine is "Oval Office starting just after
9 a.m. and a return to his residence by 7 p.m." So, when he
returns "home at 7pm" .NE. "goes to bed at 7pm".
civilians). But does the spying on other countries and the
hopes to oust unreasonable leaders ever stop? It probably
doesn't matter who is prez.
On the other hand, American ideas DO spread outwards, so there is good reason to watch closely. For example, the Woke poison infects other countries, so it
not like its true to say that what happens in the USA is none of our concern.
Let's see I have known Canadians that come to the USA for Medical
procedures because the health care in Canadia Sucks swamp water. (there is
no competetion).
so how good is your guy biden?
i dont hear ANY liberals say anything about how good biden is.
yeah how is that 15 dollar an hour thing going. or the relief checks day one. >and the war biden is starting. and not stopping fracking?
Also if commenting US politics is so monopolistic only to US citizen to dare (like if only Vatican could only comment Bible) and we should expect parity in
expectation management, then what's the right for US to have an opinion about anything else outside. Continue building the wall, that's just one brilliant idea.
so how good is your guy biden?
i dont hear ANY liberals say anything about how good biden is.
You must not visit the FIDO Politics echo too often.
most of the time his eyes are barely open. i just see black
slits. this is with them pumping him full of vitamins and
god knows what.
wrapping it up at 7pm is not what us presidents do. it's one
of the hardest jobs in the world. all us presidents say up
well past midnight.
..It probably doesn't matter who is prez.
it most certainly matters. they are the ones that drop the
bombs.
i dont hear ANY liberals say anything about how good biden is.
You must not visit the FIDO Politics echo too often.
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Boraxman to Al on Sat
Feb 27 2021 10:13 pm
Australia needs US as a counter balance to China. Australia is hedging its bets between the USA and China. Our nation is still tied to the USA with the ANZUS treaty, but is courting Chinese business and influence, China being a major trading partner.
Yes, China is an economic powerhouse that can't be dismissed.
If it came to war between the US and China, Australia would be faced with a stark decision, side with the US and lose Chinese support (and get pummeled by the Chinese influence which has been allowed to develop), or... Well, there is no or.
Regardless of how one feels about the government of the PRC we all need
to carry on trade relations with China.
You must not visit the FIDO Politics echo too often.
i'd rather cut my dick off than frequent fidonet
i dont hear ANY liberals say anything about how good biden is.
You must not visit the FIDO Politics echo too often.
Hey, wait, I never said anything positive or negative about Biden in Politics.
Who said I meant you? LOL, I actually was not even thinking of you.
There are a few Biden-happy folks there... or at least there were. I learned to tune the biggest ones out (for other reasons) so maybe they are no more. I usually read your stuff. :)
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Also if commenting US politics is so monopolistic only to US citizen to dare (like if only Vatican could only comment Bible) and we should expect parity
expectation management, then what's the right for US to have an opinionbout
anything else outside. Continue building the wall, that's just one brilliant idea.
I don't mind others commenting about US politics as long as they are
also willing to comment about theirs. Lots of people are not as
willing to do so as you because they don't want any unflattering comparisons to come out.
USA bad, but please don't look at what we are doing...
So you're a Trump supporter. That explains a lot.
yeah it does explain a lot. it shows that i'm not a fucking idiot and i want everyone to do well and have a job.
our current president is already starting a war and motherfucker goes
to bed at 7pm.
fuck off with your polish ass.
I'm thinking along the lines that the V.P. would step in if the
prez is unavailable or incapable. I am sure important matters
as such as issuing lauch codes would be in the hands of
alternatives - not just one sole individual.
fuck off with your polish ass.
Oh.. this is so amusing. Actually sir, you're an idiot.
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Regardless of how one feels about the government of the PRC we all need
to carry on trade relations with China.
Even if that means strengthing a power that will go to war against us?
Hey, wait, I never said anything positive or negative about Biden in Politics.
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Regardless of how one feels about the government of the PRC we all need
to carry on trade relations with China.
Even if that means strengthing a power that will go to war against us?
A war changes everything. If there is a war or it looks like war then
we need to do things differently.
A war changes everything. If there is a war or it looks like war then we need to do things differently.
We don't know there is a war coming until its too late, and we've already contributed to our own demise.
The war between China and the West is already underway I think.
i'm smarter than you are. and i didnt read the rest of your horseshit, just like usual.
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Regardless of how one feels about the government of the PRC we all need
to carry on trade relations with China.
Even if that means strengthing a power that will go to war against us?
A war changes everything. If there is a war or it looks like war then
we need to do things differently.
We don't know there is a war coming until its too late, and we've
already contributed to our own demise.
The war between China and the West is already underway I think.
We don't know there is a war coming until its too late, and we've already contributed to our own demise.
The war between China and the West is already underway I think.
Do you think there will be another war over Pacific trade routes in XXI century?
I mean like real war, not just a trade war and influencing?
i'm smarter than you are. and i didnt read the rest of your horseshit, just like usual.
I'm pretty sure you did, otherwise you'd not feel so annoyed instantly.
I'm having fun, do you?
We don't know there is a war coming until its too late, and we've already contributed to our own demise.
The war between China and the West is already underway I think.
One of the problems is that there is no single definition of the 'WEST' nymore.
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Boraxman to Al on Mon
Mar 01 2021 06:55 am
A war changes everything. If there is a war or it looks like war then we need to do things differently.
We don't know there is a war coming until its too late, and we've already contributed to our own demise.
The war between China and the West is already underway I think.
I don't think China is interested in open conflict. The current
status-quo hevily benefits them. They can gather vast amounts of power
by selling everybody cheap rubbish and then using that money to
purchase debt from their customers.
It would only get really bad it the West cut the *deal* short all of a sudden (which would make sense, because it is a prety bad deal in the
long run, but I expect that such thing would not be done in a single
day).
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We don't know there is a war coming until its too late, and we've
already contributed to our own demise.
The war between China and the West is already underway I think.
One of the problems is that there is no single definition of the 'WEST' nymore.
USA, UK, EU, Australia.. none of them are aligned into one direction.
Nor I believe China and Russia can truly align in one camp either.
Lack of alignment on the WEST encourages China in my humble opinion.
Lack of alignment on the EAST is still kind of confusing to me.
This could open quite a discussion alone, just not sure if this place
is anyhow good to bring this topic up.
I am neither happy or upset with Biden. I'm meh. Then again, I'm am more unha
py with than happy with our current Congress.
Regardless of how one feels about the government of the PRC we all need to carry on trade relations with China.
Even if that means strengthing a power that will go to war against us?
Regardless of how one feels about the government of the PRC we all need to carry on trade relations with China.
Even if that means strengthing a power that will go to war against us?
If China doesn't have money to spend in parts of Canada that are their vacation hotspots, those areas of Canada would have serious financial issues. I think that is why.
I personally see no value in carrying on trade relations with them,
provided that you can get the goods elsewhere. They may have a monopoly on some rare earth substances, though.
The left proclaimng to accept everyone "no matter what" is not a
thing, never has been. Again, more Republican propaganda nonsense.
Wrong, why don't you stick to things you know like your Country,
It's pretty lame to have outsiders telling us what goes on where we
live!
Unfortunately I find one reason why outsiders may be deeply interested and worried about US politics.
Unfortunately XX century and victory during the WWII established US as the global dominant in the modern world with political decisions that are impacting not only US citizen in the homeland.
Maybe we should stick our noses in the the boring Canadian Government,
We could start with talking about that nimrod PM Justin Trudeau and
their failed socalized Medicene, and their high tax rates.
Let's see I have known Canadians that come to the USA for Medical
procedures because the health care in Canadia Sucks swamp water.
(there is no competetion).
yeah they are taxed up the ass, have to live in a crappy expensive apartment, they are living in poverty and for some reason they have to talk about our orange man who improved our economy and brought businesses back and with whom we had the lowest unemployment rate ever.
they were ordered to stay home and given enough money just so they dont die and then it has taxes taken out. fuck that. canadians are second class citizens in their own countries. that's no way to live. they keep them complacent with their welfare system and drug culture.
it's a shame that so many good people have to go through this.
What I keep seeing now, is the left is eating it's self figurativly.
the internal fighting going on in the DNC is getting worse.
And all the leftist's that fell for the Biden Harris crap hook line
and sinker.
they are saying that biden is going to bed super early and some days he puts a 'lid' on the white house. meaning all meetings and goings on are canceled for the day. harris is fielding calls with foreign leaders on her own.
they are saying biden turns in around 7pm when trump would get 3-4 hrs of sleep.
trump would be up at 5:30am and making calls around 6am, biden has a coffee with the wife later on in the day and then has a bunch of meetings.
trump would take a 3 hr break where he would watch the news, but then he'd be up much later making phone calls and watching news late into the night.
Wrong, why don't you stick to things you know like your Country,
It's pretty lame to have outsiders telling us what goes on where
we live!
What are you even talking about? I'm from New Orleans (the nola in my
name) and I moved to Washington, DC after Katrina.
I know it's isn't an airport, but I'm announcing my departure from
this whole conversation.
oh i thought you were canadian. you only act canadian.
my bad dawg.
also death is very important. people need to die every day.
150,000 people die every day.
Now some tone-deaf twit is going to downplay the number of Corona
deaths by comparing the number of Corona deaths to total deaths...
well, we dont know the true amount of corona virus deaths because the medical community has been playing politics.
one thing i'll say is all the things we have tried have amounted to nothing. it looks like we have to depend on our god given immune systems w
this guy nolageek is a canadian, though.
Maybe we should stick our noses in the the boring Canadian
Government, We could start with talking about that nimrod PM Justin
Trudeau and their failed socalized Medicene, and their high tax
rates. Let's see I have known Canadians that come to the USA for
Medical procedures because the health care in Canadia Sucks swamp
water. (there is no competetion).
yeah they are taxed up the ass, have to live in a crappy expensive
apartment, they are living in poverty and for some reason they have
to talk about our orange man who improved our economy and brought
So you're a Trump supporter. That explains a lot.
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Re: Another War over Pacific?
By: hollowone to Al on Mon Mar 01 2021 03:30 pm
Do you think there will be another war over Pacific trade routes in XXI century?
Only if someone decides they are going to take what someone else has
and I don't think anyone has an idea like that.
I mean like real war, not just a trade war and influencing?
I hope the trade wars will end but the negotiations will continue.
Good point. I would think there is an argument that the EU is not
really a "Western" culture. I heard someone way that the USA *IS* now "The West", and that UK, the EU can no longer claim that they are part
of Western culture. It's an argument that has merit.
It's the leftist policies trying to push us into a "one world
government" look at the Euorpian Union that has failed miserably.
It dosent work even on a small scale, and there should be NO reason
other countries should follow what we do here in America.
We should stop all trade with Communist Socialist countries and take
care of US and let them take care of them.
Then 2008 came and each of the EU country instead of "let's go through it together'
started showing a position 'me first, then perhaps you and we don't care about the
poorest in our small union".
That hit Greece and other southern countries in the EU badly.
That made Turkey very alien to EU values (defined politically).
oh i thought you were canadian. you only act canadian.
my bad dawg.
He had me fooled with that Canadian accent lol, did'nt he say what you talkin aboot Willis?
Maybe not.
We should stop all trade with Communist Socialist countries and take
care of US and let them take care of them.
Why should we send money to countries that hate us?? Charity should
begin at home...keep the money here, and let them hate us for free. We help them, but they'd never return the favor.
I don't think China is interested in open conflict. The current status-quo hevily benefits them. They can gather vast amounts of power by selling everybody cheap rubbish and then using that money to purchase debt from their customers.
Do you think there will be another war over Pacific trade routes in XXI century?
I mean like real war, not just a trade war and influencing?
Yes it really is, It's only getting worse here on a Daily basis, a $60 a month supply of insulin under Joe Biden shot up to $700.
Our gas prices here over night shot up another 20 cents per gallon.
I read that Joe Biden in his first month in office had 100,000 Covid deaths.
There is a federal Gvnmt incentive for reported covid-19 deaths, My guess is many people would have died because of age and health soon any way.
and I've heard stories of Heart attack deaths, Strokes and other types of death's being passed off as Covid so they could get the insentives.
Some Scientist's beleive we should have just let it go through communities like we do the flu to get to heard immunity.
Maybe less people would have died?
Certainly don't support the Commander in theif A.K.A (the Commander in Cheat) Sleepy Joe Biden and Heel's Up Harris.
Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Daryl Stout to Denn on Tue Mar 02 2021 09:33 am
Why should we send money to countries that hate us?? Charity should begin at home...keep the money here, and let them hate us for free. We help them, but
they'd never return the favor.
Maybe a show of goodwill can help ease tensions sometimes.
Nightfox
what happened is other countries dropped the ball and china got focused and cre
ted industrial revolutions. they almost have more farmers than people in the u
a. they pretty much kick ass.
We should stop all trade with Communist Socialist countries and take care of US and let them take care of them.
Why should we send money to countries that hate us?? Charity should
begin at home...keep the money here, and let them hate us for free. We
help them, but they'd never return the favor.
We should stop all trade with Communist Socialist countries and take care of US and let them take care of them.
they are saying that biden is going to bed super early and some days he puts a 'lid' on the white house. meaning all meetings and goings on are canceled for the day. harris is fielding calls with foreign leaders on her own.
they are saying biden turns in around 7pm when trump would get 3-4 hrs of sleep.
That's why he's sleepy Joe Biden :)
Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Denn to MRO on Tue Mar 02 2021 01:32 am
oh i thought you were canadian. you only act canadian.
my bad dawg.
He had me fooled with that Canadian accent lol, did'nt he say what
you
talkin aboot Willis?
Maybe not.
"Who you talkin about Willis?" - Isn't that a quote from the TV Show Diff'rent Strokes? That's an American TV show, as far as I know.
Nightfox
Yes it really is, It's only getting worse here on a Daily basis, a $60 a month supply of insulin under Joe Biden shot up to $700.
The increase in insulin prices has been going on for most of this decade, even before Trump. Iowa's Grassley has been yelling about this since before Biden took office.
Big brain time here -- maybe, juuuust maybe, it has to do with price and demand for fuel catching up to the supply issues caused by the catastrophic cold, ice, and snow that huge parts of the south and Texas are still recovering from?
I read that Joe Biden in his first month in office had 100,000 Covid deaths.
Cool... because Biden is a genie who can snap his fingers and immediately alter the tragectory that the GOP/Trump put us on in 2020, right?
Attempting to blame Biden for CV19 deaths within his first month of office is low energy and low intelligence.
If you really, honestly, believe that these are valid criticisms and failures of Biden during his first month or so in office then you have your head so far up Fox News ass that it's probably not recoverable.
Re: Re: Rush LimbaughYeah the big biden guy and his son are so trustworthy.
By: Denn to hollowone on Tue Mar 02 2021 01:51 am
Certainly don't support the Commander in theif A.K.A (the Commander in Cheat) Sleepy Joe Biden and Heel's Up Harris.
textbook DARVO happening here... Yah when I think about grifters and thieves I certainly don't have the Trump family at the top of the list, its Biden...
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Yes it really is, It's only getting worse here on a Daily basis, a $60
a month supply of insulin under Joe Biden shot up to $700.
I read that Joe Biden in his first month in office had 100,000 Covid deaths. I hope in two years Republicans can get a better footing in the Senate and Take back the house.
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Trump also beat covid quickly.
Arizona Legislature Just subpoena'd the 2020 ballot's and voting machines.
Gavin Newsome is being recalled, and Democrats are even trying to
recall him.
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Some Scientist's beleive we should have just let it go through communities like we do the flu to get to heard immunity.
Maybe less people would have died?
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Then 2008 came and each of the EU country instead of "let's go through
it together' started showing a position 'me first, then perhaps you and
we don't care about the poorest in our small union".
That hit Greece and other southern countries in the EU badly.
That made Turkey very alien to EU values (defined politically).
Since then it's only worse as by general view only French and German interests are represented in the union. UK had already quit the game
and I'm expecting more crisises within EU rather than growth until somebody defines a path that can help reunify individual approaches.
I'm curious how this develops, but I have personally mixed feelings
that EU can survive next 20 years. In this formula it will simply break being verregulated.
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Boraxman to Al on Mon
Mar 01 2021 06:55 am
We don't know there is a war coming until its too late, and we've already contributed to our own demise.
There is a big difference between trade and war.
The war between China and the West is already underway I think.
There are also big differences between the PRC and governments in the
west but I don't think that means war or that a war is immanent.
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Good point. I would think there is an argument that the EU is not
really a "Western" culture. I heard someone way that the USA *IS* now "The West", and that UK, the EU can no longer claim that they are part
of Western culture. It's an argument that has merit.
Not sure if I know how to answer before you elaborate a bit more how do you define Western culture in the context of not seeing EU/UK being
one.
Socialistic elements in the governing formula excludes them, or what do you mean?
Do you think there will be another war over Pacific trade routes in XXI century?
I mean like real war, not just a trade war and influencing?
did you know what trump did about the insulin price?
WRONG. speculators drive up the prices of oil.
there hasnt been enough time for prices to go up due to real world issues.
"big brain time here" ... guess you didnt pay attention to all of biden's promises that he would deliver on DAY
ONE.
There is a big difference between trade and war.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. China is already trying to maneuvre itself in opposition to the USA and to Australia. They have ramped up their rhetoric against Australia and are attacking us economically.
The mood here about China has shifted dramatically now that they have ripped their mask off.
It will depend on how far China want to press, and how much we are willing to bend.
Look at what they have done to Tibet, to the Uighurs. This isn't a country that shy of using harsh coercive measures.
Trade is not a weapon. We trade with other nations if that makes sense andI disagree.
I disagree.
So does the entire history of civilisation. Trade is a war, and trade is a reason for war.
I refer you to Von Klauswitz as a basic primer.
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I disagree.
So does the entire history of civilisation. Trade is a war, and trade is a reason for war.
I refer you to Von Klauswitz as a basic primer.
Trade can and has been used as a weapon but I don't think it's a good weapon today.
War is always a possibility, history is full of war.
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Boraxman to Al on Wed
Mar 03 2021 10:39 pm
There is a big difference between trade and war.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. China is already trying to maneuvre itself in opposition to the USA and to Australia. They have ramped up their rhetoric against Australia and are attacking us economically.
I was talking about trade, not war.
The mood here about China has shifted dramatically now that they have ripped their mask off.
Canada also has a tough go with China since we are holding one of their citizens on charges brought by the US. There is a trial now that will likely end in that citizen being extradited to the US so in spite China has arrested two Canadian citizens in China.
This is the kind of backwards nation China is but it is not a trade
issue. It could very easily escalate but I hope not.
It will depend on how far China want to press, and how much we are willing to bend.
Look at what they have done to Tibet, to the Uighurs. This isn't a country that shy of using harsh coercive measures.
I don't think we want to bend at all do we? China does now and always
has done these kind of things. We can bring these things up with them
but we can't choose for them.
Trade is not a weapon. We trade with other nations if that makes sense
and if it doesn't then we don't. In spite of what other nations do we
are better off with a working trade deal if we want to trade with those nations.
You stated categorically that Trade was not a weapon. Are you changing your mind?
Do you think bombs and bullets are "better" weapons than trade?
I'm seeking clarity.
So far all I see is alphabet soup.
no i didnt and i'm not annoyed. in the twat filter you go, moron.
Insulin has been increasing in price for some time -- the House Committee on Energy and Commerce held a hearing called "Priced out of a Lifesaving Drug: Getting Answers on the Rising cost of Insulin".
I read that Joe Biden in his first month in office had 100,000 Covid deaths. I hope in two years Republicans can get a better footing in the Senate and Take back the house.
Yet another case of Republicans making a mess of things and blaming the Democrats for cleaning it up.
By better footing, do you mean trying to pass laws intended to supress votes and continuing to perpetuate the "stolen election" lie?
Trump also beat covid quickly.
As he claimed, they told him it was a miracle. He also had the best healthcare that no one else could afford.
Then, why did he get vaccinated in secret in January if he'd gotten covid and shaken it off?
vehicles I see with stickers for the recall are usually jacked up 4x4 trucks with Trump stickers, which doesn't help their cause.
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Some Scientist's beleive we should have just let it go through communities like we do the flu to get to heard immunity.
Maybe less people would have died?
Not likely. More would have died, but businesses would have stayed open and the economy may not have suffered. My guess is that the powers that
2) Capped co-pay for Medicare users at $35
Both of these are still in effect, but people are mistakenly saying that Biden reversed them.
WRONG. speculators drive up the prices of oil.
there hasnt been enough time for prices to go up due to real world issues.
Gee, I wonder what those speculators are speculating about? Perhaps it's reduced supply due to 20% of Texas' refinery capacity being idled? Or maybe
We just had 4 years of Braggart In Chief and you folks are out there thinking Biden can stop CV19 deaths "DAY ONE" keep grasping at straws, maybe you'll get one...
Trade is not a weapon. We trade with other nations if that
makes sense and if it doesn't then we don't. In spite of
what other nations do we are better off with a working trade
deal if we want to trade with those nations.
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Denn on Tue Mar 02 2021 07:14 am
Insulin has been increasing in price for some time -- the House Committee on Energy and Commerce held a hearing called "Priced out of a Lifesaving Drug: Getting Answers on the Rising cost of Insulin".
what did donald trump do to stop that that biden reversed?
I read that Joe Biden in his first month in office had 100,000 Covid deaths. I hope in two years Republicans can get a better footing in the Senate and Take back the house.
Yet another case of Republicans making a mess of things and blaming the Democrats for cleaning it up.
but joe said he was going to save lives and do so many things day one.
By better footing, do you mean trying to pass laws intended to supress votes and continuing to perpetuate the "stolen election" lie?
there was rampant voter fraud. more than this country has ever seen before. the election was stolen. ---
there was rampant voter fraud. more than this country has ever seen before. the election was stolen. ---
At least you can say that here, without being censored by authoritarians.
+1 for BBS's.
there was rampant voter fraud. more than this country has ever seenbefore. the election was stolen. ---
At least you can say that here, without being censored by authoritarians. +1 for BBS's.
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no i didnt and i'm not annoyed. in the twat filter you go, moron.
that's good
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there was rampant voter fraud. more than this country has ever seen before. the election was stolen.
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biden froze an executive order from trump that was aimed at lowering
the cost of insulin and injecable epinephrine which was not yet in
effect. why?
At least you can say that here, without being censored by authoritarians. +1 for BBS's.
Well there's a debate over whether there was actually voter fraud or not.. If there was no actual fraud, then it would be fake news, and then people who say "the election was stolen" etc. would be spreading falsehoods.
Nightfox
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no i didnt and i'm not annoyed. in the twat filter you go, moron.
that's good
That wasn't me.
biden froze an executive order from trump that was aimed at lowering the cost of insulin and injecable epinephrine which was not yet in effect. why?
He put a pause on all executive orders until March 22, which is accepted practice of incoming administrations to make sure the previous administration's executive orders are aligned with the new administration's direction.
MRO is either spreading FUD or is unaware of history.
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Arelor to Boraxman on Mon Mar 01 2021 06:58 am
I don't think China is interested in open conflict. The current status-quo hevily benefits them. They can gather vast amounts of power by selling everybody cheap rubbish and then using that money to purchase debt from their customers.
Wars are no longer fought with weapons but with money. If we can't
bomb you out of existence we will bankrupt your economy. Look at the financial crisis of the late 80s... look at how trade is so one sided
now. Amazing.
Tracker1 wrote to hollowone <=-
On 3/1/2021 7:30 AM, hollowone wrote:
Do you think there will be another war over Pacific trade routes in XXI century?
I mean like real war, not just a trade war and influencing?
Depends on if anything comes from China's naval posturing in the sea between Vietnam and Thailand... That would most likely draw inevitable, missiles in the air warfare with China if they invaded Thailand.
I think the trade and cyber warfare with China and the US has been
largely inevitable for a very long time coming.
Not sure if I know how to answer before you elaborate a bit more how do you define Western culture in the context of not seeing EU/UK being
one.
Modern Western civilisation has been characterised by a move towards reason, freedom, liberty, self-ownership, a move away from rule by authority to contractual relations. It is characterised by Liberalism, tolerance of opinion and free and open discussion.
We see in the UK for example, more and more state action which limits speech, which penalises speech, more control, coercion and more
government oversight. Free speech is valued less and less, as is
reason.
Europe has always lagged with regards to freedom. European nations
have chosen fascism, something that Americans have never done.
I note that many of these problems exist in the USA, but the USA is divided. There exists elements in the USA which still oppose the
emerging authoritarinism. Europeans however I think are less likely to
do so.
The USA really has been the only nation which truly valued freedom,
where there has been a DESIRE for freedom.
When Greece ran into problems, mostly of their own doing, a non-EU
Greece could have devalued their currency and attracted exports and tourism. When tied to the Euro, they have no choice but to look to
member countries.
With the sociogical/cultural differences and you get the friction that happened between Greece and the other member countries (especially Germany, who "forgot" the whole issue of Greece forgiving a huge amount
of German debt after WWII)
It's like my college roommate, who left for the summer and expected me
to carry his part of the rent, then lectured me about money management when I accidentally bounced a check to him.
Well there's a debate over whether there was actually voter fraud or not..
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu
Mar 04 2021 11:26 pm
there was rampant voter fraud. more than this country has ever seenbefore. the election was stolen. ---
At least you can say that here, without being censored by authoritarians. +1 for BBS's.
Well there's a debate over whether there was actually voter fraud or
not.. If there was no actual fraud, then it would be fake news, and
then people who say "the election was stolen" etc. would be spreading falsehoods.
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Well I find liberalism at huge crisis in the Western world for a while. UK, US as nominal examples of Western culture. My own Poland, Hungary
as recently acquired western affiliates from Central/eastern flank, to
add their own cents to the story.
Then think about countries like France who champion freedom by DNA,
being hit by terrorism and counter terrorism acts just because freedom isn't undestood the same way as it used to.
Certainly freedom to speak and reason beyond borders set up front is something that is heavily tested across both continents (US, EU). I
miss the world we did not need to even talk about it and have things
for granted.
But aside of small disputes, even those I have here.. I trust in freedom-driven rebelious natures of both individuals and nations per
se.
That's what also keeps me here. Aside of some stupid, arrogant comments I'm driving or receiving. I respect the right to have a unique feeling
and perception among anybody I disagree with or more often, I simply
don't understand.
We see in the UK for example, more and more state action which limits speech, which penalises speech, more control, coercion and more
government oversight. Free speech is valued less and less, as is
reason.
UK is tricky to me today. From one side I think leaving EU is a
mistake, from the other I think I envy the courage. I deal with my UK partners business wise on a daily basis.. some things are like I
respect your uniqueness.. some are like.. just few months ago it was so easy... now you're fucked... I trully believe it's just temporary and
we all be just fine. but limiting freedom to speak is something I
haven't spotted.
Among my UK friends both native and international people are pissed
being locked down wiht various level of understanding. there are people who still don't accept brexit.. and there are people who just crack on it... life/business as usual beside all that.. never talked about the impression that you can't express what you really mean (unless I take usual british indirectness for something unusual)
Europe has always lagged with regards to freedom. European nations
have chosen fascism, something that Americans have never done.
I'd not say so.. there are some pioneers of freedom... it just did not connect with fighting for freedom so bravely, thus different outcomes.
But I'd never say French are not brave to fight for freedom and understanding freedom wrongly..
I also appreciate Viking times old understanding of freedom in Nordics, which may be hard to get for people who understand they trust in gov
and system to go into social support beyond even Democrats-driven imagination in US-standards...
in my own country - poland - we value freedom more than most of the things.. we just fight for it mostly in a stupid way... occasionally we just help to collapse communism -- accidentally :>
I don't see lack of feeling the freedom in EU.. but EU as instituation
is something that I'd call freedom last. All I see when I observe
Brussels is amateur and naive approach to create a federation against
any player who is part of the trade union and that's fucking it.
I note that many of these problems exist in the USA, but the USA is divided. There exists elements in the USA which still oppose the
emerging authoritarinism. Europeans however I think are less likely to
do so.
I'm not sure how much I want to comment US after 'you're fucking alien,
go fuck yourself with your opinion' approach.. but yes.. USA encounters
a very interesting shift in both policing and social movements. indeed.
The USA really has been the only nation which truly valued freedom,
where there has been a DESIRE for freedom.
One of the few untouched US values I see as foreign commenter is the _rebelious_ nature of valueing freedom. Although sometimes it sounds
like 70+ years old Iggy Pop singing 'I'm a punk rocker, yes I'm' with
what many Americans call 'a Sleepy Joe' style of singing about
rebelion.
I still remember how to punk rock the 'I fucking rip you off' way to
take this sleepy jumps as rebelion what so ever..
Even attacking Capitol looked like staged, pretty lame effort to make a statement.
But I'm sorry. I miss American spirit that could teach IRA how to do domestic terrorism. That I could call a freedom.
Now it's just bunch of retired downs in youngster skins, who just try
hard but can't run. Pretty laughable... 80+ y/o Clint Eastwood could
take down half of those clowns before they finished supporting that act
of rebelion.
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Arelor to Boraxman on Mon Mar 01 2021 06:58 am
I don't think China is interested in open conflict. The current status-quo hevily benefits them. They can gather vast amounts of power by selling everybody cheap rubbish and then using that money to purchase debt from their customers.
Wars are no longer fought with weapons but with money. If we can't
bomb you out of existence we will bankrupt your economy. Look at the financial crisis of the late 80s... look at how trade is so one sided
now. Amazing.
Back in the times organized economic masses could dominate. What is equally fascinating today is how masses of chaotically motivated individuals can shift the course as well (vide: GameStop/Reddits vs.
hedge funds)
Economic war today is fought on many fronts
Wizard's First Rule:
People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true. People's heads are full of knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool.
i knew the media was full of shit ever since i was young and i saw a story o something local and strangely enough, everything was wrong about it. and th it happened again. and again.
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Boraxman to Nightfox on
Sun Mar 07 2021 15:09:00
Boraxman> Either way, the problem isn't so much "free speech", but
lack
Boraxman> of critical thinking. It takes two to deceive, one to
spread
Boraxman> deception, and the other to buy it. There sure are a lot of
Boraxman> buying easily buying into it.
Wizard's First Rule:
People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true. People's heads are full of knowledge, facts, and
beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People
are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and
the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the
easier to fool.
MRO wrote to Rampage <=-
i knew the media was full of shit ever since i was young and i saw a
story on something local and strangely enough, everything was wrong
about it. and then it happened again. and again. ---
I value freedom, but I'm not keen on Liberalism.
True, USEFUL freedom
needs restraint, barriers, restriction.
Look at young millenials, who
are so, so free to express their identity however they want, work
wherever they want, work how they want, yet struggle to get life
started, mired in debt, gig-economy jobs, high housing costs etc.
Liberalism cannot deal with crisis, because it is a "sunny weather" ideology. A liberal society faced with a problem can only hope the
"free market" somehow solves it, which it doesn't.
Certainly freedom to speak and reason beyond borders set up front is something that is heavily tested across both continents (US, EU). I
miss the world we did not need to even talk about it and have things
for granted.
I respect anyone that tries to engage in honest debate. There are
people here who I think have wrong views, but they at least debate in
good faith.
I've spoken to a friend in the UK, and that is his impression too. Australians don't seem as worried about lockdowns.
There definately are Europeans who value freedom, but I find that in Europe, in particular Western Europe, there is more of an acceptence of rule by intellectuals or the elite. Well there WAS. That may be
changing now, and may now not be true.
I note that many of these problems exist in the USA, but the USA is divided. There exists elements in the USA which still oppose the
emerging authoritarinism. Europeans however I think are less likely to
do so.
The USA really has been the only nation which truly valued freedom,
where there has been a DESIRE for freedom.
Rebellion is a critical element of a free society. Rebellion is what overthrows tyranny and authoritarianism. Freedom is the grandma on her porch with her gun, defending her home against state seizure, and a scepticism of your rulers. The USA is unique in the sense that the founding father actually intended for the people to be able to oppose
the government to a degree. They recognised that people had a right, a duty, to overthrow a bad government. In monarchical societies, the
ruling family never said "If we go bad, we deserve to be kicked out". Emperors don't say that. In Europe, people were often SUBJECTS,
whereas the US tradition is that the nation IS the people, and they are not subjects.
Gamestop is just chaos though, with no constructive goals. Few people
are going to benefit in the end. It has no objective, no constructive vision, other than "screw you". It's the last attempts at dignity from
a financially broken generation.
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Rampage to Boraxman on Sun Mar 07 2021 05:16 am
people are stupid because they are raised to be stupid. they are fed untruths since their childhood. only a few people start seeing the contradictions and stop believing everything they are told buy untrustworthy sources.
i knew the media was full of shit ever since i was young and i saw a
story on something local and strangely enough, everything was wrong
about it. and then it happened again. and again.
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I'd rather say guidance, but I think I get your point.
I blame the Internet not unrestrained freedom of expression alone.
If you keep freedom unrestrained and allow information to pass through
and influence at speed of light not years, decades or generations.. you get chaos as the net product of the untackled dynamism and lack of
proper change management as I call it at work.
Hippie generation back in 60ties envies for uncontrolled freedom and it changes the pop culture, not mainstream tradition. If these people had internet back then as fucked up as we do have today... you'd have lsd junky gays full of color, preaching spaghetti gods, speaking nonsense
in mixed set of languages you can't recall yours anymore... which is
what we commonly call schisophrenia by medical terms...
Our kids generations all are bi-bolar due to overload of info they are
hit by and can't process properly, not even speaking of adaptation.
Too much liberalism in economic "uncontrol" is always a good recipe for
a crisis if I add this context to the talk. I love the idea of the free market and I had a moments of belief that this can be self-controlling mechanism.. but not if there the stash of capital available to
individual parties contributting to the system is so much unbalanced
over time.
Certainly freedom to speak and reason beyond borders set up front is something that is heavily tested across both continents (US, EU). I
miss the world we did not need to even talk about it and have things
for granted.
I like borders but I equally like clear and safe paths to cross them in
a way. I have no problem with visas.. I have no problem with protecting your own people first.. at the same time I see that richer the country
is, easier it is to import aliens to do the dirty job. When you accept
it, you also can't blame the alien that they come to you with an
ambition to leave the low-job, kind of legal slavery prison and do better.. that was their dream when they came in.
How can you incorporate them into your culture, embrace them.. learn
from them.. be inclusive and respectful is something of a challenge to many.
That is fair enough to continue. I believe that conversation is not
about fighting with words to change the mind of the other contributors
who joined it. It's about enriching all sides who contribute in a way that's often unique to each of them.
In Poland I see people rebeling against it more often. Or trying to
have life as usual as much as possible.
It's been always like that, aristocratic/elitarian Europe hasn't
changed much since colonial times or imperialistic moments of the XIX century. XX and WWII changed many things but some old traditions are bouncing back unfortunately.
In this context I divide Europeans with their opinions about US into
two roups:
- those who never experienced US and Americans and American culture and have an opion
- those who experienced US, its people and culture and have an opinion.
You may hear a variety of different opinions from these people.
Still there is a lot of policing around there, isn't it?
Poland lost independence by the end of XVIII century to regain it in
XX, because it valued freedom just too much for its time and wasn't prepared to defend it.
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Gamestop is just chaos though, with no constructive goals. Few people
are going to benefit in the end. It has no objective, no constructive vision, other than "screw you". It's the last attempts at dignity from
a financially broken generation.
I find the objective, although it's naive by nature. I find these
people trying to fuck the establishment as much as they can with their pocket money.
We should stop all trade with Communist Socialist countries and take
care of US and let them take care of them.
Why should we send money to countries that hate us?? Charity should
begin at home...keep the money here, and let them hate us for free. We help them, but they'd never return the favor.
Yes it really is, It's only getting worse here on a Daily basis, a $60
a month supply of insulin under Joe Biden shot up to $700.
The increase in insulin prices has been going on for most of this decade, even before Trump. Iowa's Grassley has been yelling about this since before Biden took office.
Republican's are all about privatizing and profiting, the idea that it's somehow Biden's fault, or Democrat plot to spike the cost of prescriptions and healthcare is idiotic, it's the exact opposite of their goal.
There is a federal Gvnmt incentive for reported covid-19 deaths, My
guess is many people would have died because of age and health soon
any way. and I've heard stories of Heart attack deaths, Strokes and
other types of death's being passed off as Covid so they could get the
insentives.
You're trying to imply that the government is paying for reporting CV19 deaths... Who are they paying? Why? It makes zero sense at all.
Some Scientist's beleive we should have just let it go through
communities like we do the flu to get to heard immunity.
Maybe less people would have died?
What scientists?
they are saying that biden is going to bed super early and some
days he puts a 'lid' on the white house. meaning all meetings and
goings on are canceled for the day. harris is fielding calls with
foreign leaders on her own.
they are saying biden turns in around 7pm when trump would get 3-4
hrs of sleep.
That's why he's sleepy Joe Biden :)
look at the recent video of the press asking him about the border wall.
"what did you learn?"
"a lot"
dude could barely function and his eyes were closed up again.
he just had to get out of there.
Yes it really is, It's only getting worse here on a Daily basis, a
$60 a month supply of insulin under Joe Biden shot up to $700.
Insulin has been increasing in price for some time -- the House Committee on Energy and Commerce held a hearing called "Priced out of a Lifesaving Drug: Getting Answers on the Rising cost of Insulin".
On April 10, 2019.
I read that Joe Biden in his first month in office had 100,000 Covid
deaths. I hope in two years Republicans can get a better footing in
the Senate and Take back the house.
Yet another case of Republicans making a mess of things and blaming the Democrats for cleaning it up.
i knew the media was full of shit ever since i was young and i saw a story on something local and strangely enough, everything was wrong about it. and then it happened again. and again.
Without a doubt the media is biased but I believe you need to take a more open and pragmatic approach to it. You can't make
the statement that "all news is bad" when the factual reporting of news is unbiases. It's when you turn on the Fox, CNN, or
MSNBC talking heads do you start to question the veracity of the news.
I value freedom, but I'm not keen on Liberalism.
It's the DemocRAT's fault not just Biden, Biden is just a puppet at
this point.
Daryl Stout wrote to Denn <=-
He can't even remember who is in charge of certain agencies. It
wouldn't surprise me if they're working to vote him out, and put Kamala Harris in.
The Vice-Whore is already in. She's already doing parts of his job.
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Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh
By: Dream Master to MRO on Tue Mar 09 2021 06:21 pm
I can't blame the media. We sheeps created them by buying their
junk.
Do you remember all those bullshit periodicals found at grocery
stores... "Michael Jackson is the son of an Alien" or "Ronald Reagan is secretly a cyborg as the real Reagan is dead." They were trash but
people still bought them. This is exactly the same people that Rush
preyed on and eventually FOX News was created to appeal to the same gullible crowd.
Nightfox wrote to Dream Master <=-
A long time ago, I saw a National Enquirer in a store, and the front
page had a photo of the sun shining through some clouds, with a
headline that said someone had photographed heaven.
A long time ago, I saw a National Enquirer in a store, and the front
page had a photo of the sun shining through some clouds, with a
headline that said someone had photographed heaven.
Longer ago, there was a National Enquirer in a store that had an article titled "Tips on Crime go ONLINE", and it singled out three BBSes in the bay area - &TOTSE, realitycheckBBS and Lies Unlimited. Look for it, it's the March 1995 issue with Fabio and Rosanne Barr in bed together on the cover.
That was my 5 minutes of fame.
Longer ago, there was a National Enquirer in a store that
had an article titled "Tips on Crime go ONLINE", and it
singled out three BBSes in the bay area - &TOTSE,
realitycheckBBS and Lies Unlimited. Look for it, it's the
March 1995 issue with Fabio and Rosanne Barr in bed
together on the cover.
That was my 5 minutes of fame.
Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
That was my 5 minutes of fame.
You can add a few more seconds in one of the recent *new* BBS
Documentary, I think.
You can add a few more seconds in one of the recent *new*
BBS Documentary, I think.
Really? I must have missed it.
Hello poindexter FORTRAN!
You can add a few more seconds in one of the recent *new*
BBS Documentary, I think.
Really? I must have missed it.
I'm pretty sure I saw your BBS logo at some point. Sometimes
when the narrator goes on with general statements, he fills the
screen with changing images and other media for barely 1 or 2
seconds each. He also, runs a "Credits.." roll at the end of
each episode.
MRO wrote to Ogg <=-
so do people actually LIKE this 'back to the bbs' series?
it just seems real boring to me. i try to watch them but i just skip through. ---
MRO wrote to Ogg <=-
so do people actually LIKE this 'back to the bbs' series?
it just seems real boring to me. i try to watch them but i just skip through. ---
I like them . . . but I have fond memories of my BBSing days in the 90's.
BTW, this is my first - hopefully successful - public post on a BBS in probably 27 years? :-)
Hi!
I'm pretty sure I saw your BBS logo at some point..
..He also, runs a "Credits.." roll at the end of
each episode.
so do people actually LIKE this 'back to the bbs' series?
it just seems real boring to me. i try to watch them but i just skip through. -+-
BTW, this is my first - hopefully successful - public post on a BBS in probably 27 years? :-)
MRO wrote to Ogg <=-
so do people actually LIKE this 'back to the bbs' series?
it just seems real boring to me. i try to watch them but i just skip through. ---
LINUXDAN wrote to <=-
so do people actually LIKE this 'back to the bbs' series?
it just seems real boring to me. i try to watch them but i just skip through. ---
I like them . . . but I have fond memories of my BBSing days in the
90's.
BTW, this is my first - hopefully successful - public post on a BBS in probably 27 years? :-)
so do people actually LIKE this 'back to the bbs' series?
it just seems real boring to me. i try to watch them but i just skip through.
so do people actually LIKE this 'back to the bbs' series?
it just seems real boring to me. i try to watch them but i just skip
through.
I've actually been enjoying it. I feel he's doing a pretty good job. I've even learned a few things I didn't know before about our hobby's history and some of the old software.
Have they mentioned Synchronet yet? Last time I watched they were all Mystic guys.
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