I'll reply to all your messages just once. I am (at least trying) to be non-partisan.
There is lots to get political about this subject but on the face of it, the core issue is not political.
I am trying to give standing to the core issue, that a black person or anyon really, should not have to fear the police as is the case today. That is an issue that shouldn't exist but it does.
Sometimes police do kill people who threaten them or others, I accept that.
So many times police have killed or hurt someone without justification of an kind, black people especially.
The reason may be racism or just a bad attitude. Those reasons don't justify the reality of these deaths.
If we can find a way to address that core issue we can leave behind all the politics that ensue.
I have been to college so let me share my experience. College is usually plagued with activist groups trying to accomplish various things. Often, those things are not the sort of issue you correlate with a political party or a politician. An example would be a student org trying to get propietary software replaced by FOSS in the lab's computers.
Often, these organizations describe themselves as apolitical.
The issue is as soon as you are trying to push for a change in the behaviour or management of a community you are becoming politically active. Once you try to set policies to accomplish a goal you are becoming political. It is this simple. If you try to rise awaremess about how bad propietary software is you do so because you expect to eventually get somebody to kick it off from the lab and rule (formally ot not) that FOSS will be used from then on.
Matters become more complicated because once awareness exists in the community, some political party will show up and offer political representation to this group. When the group accepts the offer (which they usually do) then the group is both political and partisan. The arrangement is usually that the student org tells everybody how great the political party is, and funnels funds or resources into it (often with shady methods). The party offers the group political representation and favor trafficking.
Damn, there are videos of BLM activists putting people on their knees and making them promise they won't vote Republican.
I have never seen or heard this, maybe because I don't have eyes on the BLM movement. Do you have a link to one of these videos?
There is lots going on in politics that is debatable but the issue here is n political. It's a simple question of justice.
The question is simple although the answer may not be easy.
Ttyl :-),
Al
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Whether group A has more or less rights than group B and how to deal with it is a political matter. I'd be a political matter even if it was non-partisan population into minorities and then telling them that all their trouble has been caused by heterowhites.
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So.... The Supreme Court won't entertain the idea that the election was stolen in Pennsylvania. This decison makes it next to impossible for Trump to prevail in his bid to overturn the election.
I've been saying since the election that there was a very simple way for everyone to know with certainty whether there were any shenanigans going on with the election, and that was to watch the Supreme Court.
Why have I been saying this? Because 6 of the 9 justices are conservative, and 3 of those were appointed by Trump himself. If there was sufficient fraud to overturn this election, the Supreme Court would have dealt with it. We know from precedent (Bush/Gore 2000) that they'll get involved if need be.
Even though the court leans so heavily to the right, I fully expected them to not touch this.
Why? Because the only real fraud is the claims of fraud. The only one really trying to steal the election is Trump. I know many of his supporters wish it weren't so... but wishing don't make reality.
Anyone agree or disagree?
-Hobo
Al wrote to Arelor <=-
If you are talking about left organizations sponsoring groups that riot and vandalize in order to bring unstability against society and the federal government, then I agree it sucks and that burning the streets is highly divisive behaviour.
The left does not sponsor groups or rioting.
Re: Re: Supreme Court Rejects Pennsylvania Lawsuit
By: Gamgee to Al on Thu Dec 10 2020 09:35 pm
The left does not sponsor groups or rioting.
Haha! Good one!
Wrong, but funny.
Wrong, how?
The left does not sponsor groups or rioting.
Wrong, but funny.
Wrong, how?
Someone enjoys being coy.
Vlk-451 wrote to Gamgee <=-
Al wrote to Arelor <=-
If you are talking about left organizations sponsoring groups that riot and vandalize in order to bring unstability against society and the federal government, then I agree it sucks and that burning the streets is highly divisive behaviour.
The left does not sponsor groups or rioting.
Ummm. Social Justics courses, human resources, the ADL, other
Provda outlets that churn out regressive and inflamed articles?
Hello?
Gamer?
Vlk-451 wrote to Gamgee <=-
Al wrote to Arelor <=-
If you are talking about left organizations sponsoring groups that riot and vandalize in order to bring unstability against society and the federal government, then I agree it sucks and that burning the streets is highly divisive behaviour.
The left does not sponsor groups or rioting.
Ummm. Social Justics courses, human resources, the ADL, other
Provda outlets that churn out regressive and inflamed articles?
Hello?
Gamer?
Hello? Gamer? Learn how to read/post, wouldja? The text above that
you quoted was a conversation between "Al" and "Arelor", and I wrote
none of that. Not sure why you replied to me. Please try harder.
Re: Re: Supreme Court Rejects Pennsylvania Lawsuit
By: Vlk-451 to Al on Mon Dec 28 2020 01:55 am
The left does not sponsor groups or rioting.
Wrong, but funny.
Wrong, how?
Someone enjoys being coy.
Just being real. Someone or group may be protesting or rioting, but it is not the left.
Ttyl :-),
Al
I think it has more to do with everyone involved not wanting to be anywhere near this. It's about keeping the peace over political allegiances.
Just being real. Someone or group may be protesting or rioting, but it
is not the left.
That's seemingly an argument of semantics to most people.
Re: Supreme Court Rejects Pennsylvania Lawsuit
By: Vlk-451 to Hobo on Mon Dec 28 2020 01:50:58
I think it has more to do with everyone involved not wanting to be anywhere near this. It's about keeping the peace over political allegiances.
You think it's that simple? There is no "Keeping The Peace" when a 3 year old narcisist tyrant goes on a rampage. Shit's gonna get flung about. The harder you try to "keep the peace" the worse it gets.
-Hobo
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Re: Re: Supreme Court Rejects Pennsylvania Lawsuit
By: Vlk-451 to Al on Mon Dec 28 2020 04:01 pm
Just being real. Someone or group may be protesting or rioting, but it
is not the left.
That's seemingly an argument of semantics to most people.
It's not semantic at all. There is a problem behind the protests and riots that follow, but that is not the left.
Ttyl :-),
Al
It's not semantic at all. There is a problem behind the protests and
riots that follow, but that is not the left.
Because you're the arbiter of what is and isn't "The Left"?
Are we talking about the authoritarian left or the liberal left? Surely the people involved in the riots and protests over these non-descript problems surely share some leftist ideology.
To someone like me, it is semantics, because while I agree with your general notion, your tone and way of leading the argument reaks of "No it's actually this way because I'm better then you and my farts smell awesome. Wana sniff?"
Vlk-451 wrote to Gamgee <=-
Al wrote to Arelor <=-
If you are talking about left organizations sponsoring groups that riot and vandalize in order to bring unstability against society and the federal government, then I agree it sucks and that burning the streets is highly divisive behaviour.
The left does not sponsor groups or rioting.
Ummm. Social Justics courses, human resources, the ADL, other
Provda outlets that churn out regressive and inflamed articles?
Hello?
Gamer?
Hello? Gamer? Learn how to read/post, wouldja? The text above that
you quoted was a conversation between "Al" and "Arelor", and I wrote
none of that. Not sure why you replied to me. Please try harder.
I was intending to reply to Al and Arelor, I used one of your
posts to quote them, forgot to change the names away from you to
one of them, simple and honest mistake from posting too quickly.
I'm sure you've made that mistake before at least once in your
life, so in that instance I would hope you understand.
Vlk-451 wrote to Gamgee <=-
Al wrote to Arelor <=-
If you are talking about left organizations sponsoring groups that riot and vandalize in order to bring unstability against society and the federal government, then I agree it sucks and that burning the streets is highly divisive behaviour.
The left does not sponsor groups or rioting.
Ummm. Social Justics courses, human resources, the ADL, other
Provda outlets that churn out regressive and inflamed articles?
Hello?
Gamer?
Hello? Gamer? Learn how to read/post, wouldja? The text above that
you quoted was a conversation between "Al" and "Arelor", and I wrote
none of that. Not sure why you replied to me. Please try harder.
I was intending to reply to Al and Arelor, I used one of your
posts to quote them, forgot to change the names away from you to
one of them, simple and honest mistake from posting too quickly.
Why would you use my post and then need to remember to change the
names? You replied to what "Al" posted, so just reply to his message
and there's no need to change names. Simple, huh?
I'm sure you've made that mistake before at least once in your
life, so in that instance I would hope you understand.
Actually, no, I have never made that mistake, so there is no "that instance". Good try, though. Well, mediocre try, anyway.
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