• New BBS and Doors

    From Patch@VERT/R2LOTW to All on Fri Apr 22 17:48:36 2016
    Hello folks!

    I'm in the process of setting up my BBS again, and I am running into some issues when I try to install some doors.

    Specifically Tradewars 2002

    I'm running Windows 10 64-bit as the host OS, and when I attempt to run the twinstal.bat batch file, it errors out saying that the twsetup.exe is a 16bit application and is not compatible with my version of the OS.

    I know that there are some SysOps who have it online, was wondering if someone can assist me with getting this installed and hopefully obtain a better understanding of how Doors workin SynchroNet.

    You can contact me through here, internet email at donavyn@gmail.com, or connect to my BBS via Telnet at defshard.synology.me.

    -Patch

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Patch on Fri Apr 22 18:47:05 2016
    Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Patch to All on Fri Apr 22 2016 05:48 pm

    Hello folks!

    I'm in the process of setting up my BBS again, and I am running into some issues when I try to install some doors.

    Specifically Tradewars 2002

    I'm running Windows 10 64-bit as the host OS, and when I attempt to run the twinstal.bat batch file, it errors out saying that the twsetup.exe is a 16bit application and is not compatible with my version of the OS.

    Read http://wiki.synchro.net/faq:win#win64

    I know that there are some SysOps who have it online, was wondering if someone can assist me with getting this installed and hopefully obtain a better understanding of how Doors workin SynchroNet.

    You can contact me through here, internet email at donavyn@gmail.com, or connect to my BBS via Telnet at defshard.synology.me.

    For Synchronet technical support, see http://wiki.synchro.net/howto:support

    digital man

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  • From Patch@VERT/R2LOTW to Digital Man on Fri Apr 22 21:39:08 2016
    Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Digital Man to Patch on Fri Apr 22 2016 06:47 pm

    Thanks Digital Man, but please know that I've been scouring the wiki and trying to get things done on my own.

    When I ask for help, it's literally because I need help and I can't figure it out.

    Ironically however, I opted to not install Tradewars 2002 but went for the Tradewars Game Server instead, which I am happy to say is online where my wife is currently making her claim.

    Now I'm in the process of figuring out how to get LORD 32-bit working, since Windows 10 keeps telling me that it won't run because it's a 16-bit application. I know that there has to be a way ...

    -Patch

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Patch on Fri Apr 22 23:08:02 2016
    Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Patch to Digital Man on Fri Apr 22 2016 09:39 pm

    Now I'm in the process of figuring out how to get LORD 32-bit working, since Windows 10 keeps telling me that it won't run because it's a 16-bit application. I know that there has to be a way ...

    If it's truly the 32-bit version of LORD then configure as "Native Executable" in SCFG and you won't get that error.

    digital man

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Patch on Sat Apr 23 18:18:00 2016
    Patch wrote to All <=-

    Hello folks!

    I'm in the process of setting up my BBS again, and I am running into
    some issues when I try to install some doors.

    Specifically Tradewars 2002

    I'm running Windows 10 64-bit as the host OS, and when I attempt to run the twinstal.bat batch file, it errors out saying that the twsetup.exe
    is a 16bit application and is not compatible with my version of the OS.

    This is expected behaviour. DOS doors are 16 bit applications, and 64 bit Windows does not run 16 bit applications by design (in 64 bit mode, the processor doesn't support the segment registers that 16 bit applications use). This is normal behaviour, and you need to use emulators like DOSBox to run 16 bit doors. See the links that Digital Man provided for the gory details. I'm also sure a sysop or two here has done it too.


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  • From Denn Gray@VERT/OUTWEST to Patch on Fri Apr 22 23:56:45 2016
    Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Patch to Digital Man on Fri Apr 22 2016 09:39 pm

    Ironically however, I opted to not install Tradewars 2002 but went for the Tradewars Game Server instead, which I am happy to say is online where my wi is currently making her claim.

    best thing is to run a 32 bit version of windows 7 32bit or use a VM or DOSBOX or you could take the easy route and goto bbslink or gamesvr.ca and connect to thier games, bbslink has lord 1&2 and tradewares and several others.
    you can set it up seemlessly to look like its hosted on your BBS.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Patch on Sat Apr 23 09:45:05 2016
    Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Patch to Digital Man on Fri Apr 22 2016 09:39 pm


    Now I'm in the process of figuring out how to get LORD 32-bit working,
    since Windows 10 keeps telling me that it won't run because it's a 16-bit application. I know that there has to be a way ...


    you need to run your bbs in a 32bit os or use bbs dosbox.

    i wouldnt use lord 32bit. it was only a proof of concept. it was not developed much and sysops should take it down as an option to download from their bbses. ---
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  • From Patch@VERT/R2LOTW to Digital Man on Sat Apr 23 08:47:25 2016
    Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Digital Man to Patch on Fri Apr 22 2016 11:08 pm

    Great, I'll try that!

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  • From Patch@VERT/R2LOTW to Vk3jed on Sat Apr 23 08:48:26 2016
    Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Vk3jed to Patch on Sat Apr 23 2016 06:18 pm

    Ahhh DOS box ... I didn't know we would need to do that, makes sense though.

    Thanks!!

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  • From Patch@VERT/R2LOTW to Denn Gray on Sat Apr 23 08:50:09 2016
    Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Denn Gray to Patch on Fri Apr 22 2016 11:56 pm

    Great advice, I will look into them now! =)

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Patch on Sun Apr 24 07:39:00 2016
    Patch wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Vk3jed to Patch on Sat Apr 23 2016 06:18 pm

    Ahhh DOS box ... I didn't know we would need to do that, makes sense though.

    Us Linux people, especially on non Intel platforms have seen the options. :) I haven't attempted to install a DOS door yet myself though.


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  • From Patch@VERT/R2LOTW to Mro on Sun Apr 24 10:48:44 2016
    Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Mro to Patch on Sat Apr 23 2016 09:45 am

    Hey there, and thanks for the suggestion. LORD was one of my favorite games to play back then, and happy to have it online my system again.

    Thanks for taking the time to respond with great information!

    -Patch

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  • From Patch@VERT/R2LOTW to Vk3jed on Sun Apr 24 10:49:46 2016
    Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Vk3jed to Patch on Sun Apr 24 2016 07:39 am

    I'm running Windows 10 Pro 64-bit ... never thought about running the software on a Linux environment.

    -Patch

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Patch on Mon Apr 25 15:22:00 2016
    Patch wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Vk3jed to Patch on Sun Apr 24 2016 07:39 am

    I'm running Windows 10 Pro 64-bit ... never thought about running the software on a Linux environment.

    I don't run my servers on Windows these days - 2 reasons: 1. This would conflict with desktop use, and 2. It's much easier to get low power Linux boxes, such as the R-Pi. :)

    Linux was a natural choice for me. :)


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  • From Denn Gray@VERT/OUTWEST to Vk3jed on Mon Apr 25 11:05:44 2016
    Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Vk3jed to Patch on Mon Apr 25 2016 03:22 pm

    I don't run my servers on Windows these days - 2 reasons: 1. This would conflict with desktop use, and 2. It's much easier to get low power Linux boxes, such as the R-Pi. :)

    I tried to set up Synchronet on my PI but could never get it to work, I did run Mystic for a few months on my PI, I really wanted to run synchronet though so I bought a Thin Client windows 7 pro pc that is low powered, granted my PI took less power.
    I may try again sometime.

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  • From Patch@VERT/R2LOTW to Vk3jed on Mon Apr 25 17:03:55 2016
    Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Vk3jed to Patch on Mon Apr 25 2016 03:22 pm

    I don't run my servers on Windows these days - 2 reasons: 1. This would conflict with desktop use, and 2. It's much easier to get low power Linux boxes, such as the R-Pi. :)

    Linux was a natural choice for me. :)

    That totally makes perfect sense, to be honest.

    My BBS is being run on an older Dell Studio 17 machine that used to host our gaming groups voice server until we moved to Discord.

    I figure if it's going to be online all day, I may as well use it for something. =)

    -Patch

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Denn Gray on Tue Apr 26 11:28:00 2016
    Denn Gray wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Vk3jed to Patch on Mon Apr 25 2016 03:22 pm

    I don't run my servers on Windows these days - 2 reasons: 1. This would conflict with desktop use, and 2. It's much easier to get low power Linux boxes, such as the R-Pi. :)

    I tried to set up Synchronet on my PI but could never get it to work, I did run Mystic for a few months on my PI, I really wanted to run synchronet though so I bought a Thin Client windows 7 pro pc that is
    low powered, granted my PI took less power.
    I may try again sometime.

    I had no dramas, getting Synchronet up and running on the Pi was pretty straightforward. Don't recall any issues. Yep, I'm posting this to the BBS in the Pi now. And I've loaded Mystic on a Banana Pi to play with that system too, which is also running well (just ironing out a few congifuration issues on that one). :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Patch on Tue Apr 26 15:40:00 2016
    Patch wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I don't run my servers on Windows these days - 2 reasons: 1. This would conflict with desktop use, and 2. It's much easier to get low power Linux boxes, such as the R-Pi. :)

    Linux was a natural choice for me. :)

    That totally makes perfect sense, to be honest.

    Yep, horses for courses. Linux does the job for me. I'm not an OS bigot, I run Windows on the desktop, which is where I find it's best suited, Linux on servers, though a Linux desktop would be a nice thing to have kicking around.
    )

    My BBS is being run on an older Dell Studio 17 machine that used to
    host our gaming groups voice server until we moved to Discord.

    I figure if it's going to be online all day, I may as well use it for something. =)

    Fair enough, compared to my BBS, I think my Pi has paid for itself several times over in lower power bills! :D


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Tue Apr 26 08:53:48 2016
    Yep, horses for courses. Linux does the job for me. I'm not an OS bigot, I run Windows on the desktop, which is where I find it's best suited, Linux on servers, though a Linux desktop would be a nice thing to have kicking around. )

    I think there have been some fairly nice desktop-oriented Linux distros over the
    years. These days I like Mint Linux (with the Cinnamon UI), but OpenSuSE (and just SuSE before that) was always one of my favorites.

    Fair enough, compared to my BBS, I think my Pi has paid for itself several times over in lower power bills! :D

    A few years ago, I bought a power usage monitor similar to this: http://www.p3international.com/products/p4400.html
    I used it with my BBS machine for a month, and I think I calculated that I spend
    about $12 (US) per year for electricity for my BBS machine.

    Nightfox

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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Nightfox on Tue Apr 26 10:24:22 2016
    Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Tue Apr 26 2016 08:53 am

    Yep, horses for courses. Linux does the job for me. I'm not an OS bigot, I run Windows on the desktop, which is where I find it's best suited, Linux on servers, though a Linux desktop would be a nice thing to have kicking around. )

    I think there have been some fairly nice desktop-oriented Linux distros over the
    years. These days I like Mint Linux (with the Cinnamon UI), but OpenSuSE (and just SuSE before that) was always one of my favorites.

    I have really struggled with Linux desktops. In the early and late 90s, I definitely rocked the Slackware with a variety of desktop managers and custom setups. It was the thing to do. And then eventually I got tired of all the customizing.

    So then I did what Vk does, with Windows for desktop and Linux for servers.

    Then something shifted in the early 2000s, when Apple perfected OSX and their sexy PowerBook line. I completely jumped ship and use Mac for desktop work, Linux for servers, and Windows only when I absolutely have to :P

    I haven't looked back since. (though occassionally I still use Windows on these cheap laptops I picked up for ham software or in a VM)

    Knight

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Vk3jed on Tue Apr 26 11:03:11 2016
    Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Vk3jed to Patch on Tue Apr 26 2016 03:40 pm

    Yep, horses for courses. Linux does the job for me. I'm not an OS bigot, I run Windows on the desktop, which is where I find it's best suited, Linux on servers, though a Linux desktop would be a nice thing to have kicking around. )

    Momentum, here. I'm running Windows on my BBS strictly out of habit. I'm using the same mailer, BBS and remote access tool for 11 years now and it works just enough not to be painful enough to prompt a change. I'd love to throw everything onto a VPS somewhere if that changed.

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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Poindexter Fortran on Tue Apr 26 12:35:11 2016
    Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Vk3jed on Tue Apr 26 2016 11:03 am

    Momentum, here. I'm running Windows on my BBS strictly out of habit. I'm using the same mailer, BBS and remote access tool for 11 years now and it works just enough not to be painful enough to prompt a change. I'd love to throw everything onto a VPS somewhere if that changed.

    Very understandable.

    That use to be how I did things (running servers locally) but I eventually got tired of the racks of servers/towers in my garage, the artificial year-round heating of my home, and the electricity bill (occassionally $650+ once summer hit and we had the A/C running too).

    I started somewhat adopting a minimal approach to working with my servers. I virtualized everything, and in most cases this means VPSes, which are now highly suitable for anything -- they are so good now. I have a couple with Rackspace Cloud and about 10 with Digital Ocean.

    My BBS is indeed on a virtualized server and it's fantastic. Though sometimes I feel it's cheating for me to say that it is located in Mountain View, California when it's actually in some data center in NYC (I believe), but I'm not in NYC so oh well.

    As for systems in the house, I have only laptops now. Not a single tower in sight. And any "servers" have to be embedded devices, such as an Apple Time Capsule, or the fleet of Raspberry Pis I have, or embedded smarthome devices. Low power is a huge requirement for me, not really about money but it's become a goal of mine. One day I hope my whole electric footprint can be generated by me (solar, wind, hydro, whatever). Not just because it's good for the environment, but because it's a fun challenge.

    And there's a sense of peace knowing that if one of the servers is broken into, my home network is safe. That's something that always had me on edge because back then I was well versed in cybersecurity, and even with segmented VLANs and firewalls, I never felt safe.

    Knight

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Knight on Tue Apr 26 12:54:15 2016
    I have really struggled with Linux desktops. In the early and late 90s, I definitely rocked the Slackware with a variety of desktop managers and custom setups. It was the thing to do. And then eventually I got tired of all the customizing.

    So then I did what Vk does, with Windows for desktop and Linux for servers.

    Then something shifted in the early 2000s, when Apple perfected OSX and their sexy PowerBook line. I completely jumped ship and use Mac for desktop work, Linux for servers, and Windows only when I absolutely have to :P

    I haven't looked back since. (though occassionally I still use Windows on these cheap laptops I picked up for ham software or in a VM)

    I think Apple's OS X is decent, but the thing with Apple is they make it only want to run on Apple hardware. I don't really like the Mac offerings from Apple (I feel like they are not easily customizable and tend to cost more than equivalent PC machines but offer fewer hardware features). It's possible to run OS X on a non-Apple computer, but the legality of that is questionable..

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Wed Apr 27 07:43:00 2016
    Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I think there have been some fairly nice desktop-oriented Linux distros over the
    years. These days I like Mint Linux (with the Cinnamon UI), but
    OpenSuSE (and just SuSE before that) was always one of my favorites.

    Yes. A lot seem to like Mint these days. I'm yet to try that one, but it's on the top of my list. My main issue is I only need two desktops, and both need Windows. Dual booting is a PITA, I always seem to be in the wrong OS at any given time. :)

    As for SuSe, I never liked that distro, nor did I like Mandrake/Mandriva, when that one was popular, even though a lot of people raved about them.

    Fair enough, compared to my BBS, I think my Pi has paid for itself several times over in lower power bills! :D

    A few years ago, I bought a power usage monitor similar to this: http://www.p3international.com/products/p4400.html
    I used it with my BBS machine for a month, and I think I calculated
    that I spend
    about $12 (US) per year for electricity for my BBS machine.

    But at how many c/kWh? Electricity prices are around 25c/kWh here these days. Around 8 years ago, I used to run a Pentium 4 server, which I had VMware and was hosting as much as I could on it, for economy. One day the power supply died, and I never reactivated that machine (it's still here, has a new PSU but hasn't been fired up since). The power bill dropped immediately by around $60 - 80 / quarter (no kidding!).

    So, I like my little Pis. ;)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Poindexter Fortran on Wed Apr 27 07:49:00 2016
    Poindexter Fortran wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Momentum, here. I'm running Windows on my BBS strictly out of habit.
    I'm using the same mailer, BBS and remote access tool for 11 years now
    and it works just enough not to be painful enough to prompt a change.
    I'd love to throw everything onto a VPS somewhere if that changed.

    Cool. :) The main BBS never ran on Windows. It started out on DOS, then DOS/DESQview, and finally migrated to OS/2 Warp Connect 3. The point system at home evolved along similar lines, except that towards the end of its life, I did make it possible to run under Windows NT 4, so I could still run mail sessions while working in Windows. In those days, I had a DOS/OS/2/Windows triple boot system, with the point being able to be started under any of those OSs. I mostly ran under OS/2 in those days, except when Win32 apps forced me to boot NT. :)

    Over 20 years ago, I discovered Linux, and that rapidly established itself as my OS of choice for server applications, and over time became the only OS that I ran 24x7 at home, often in a lean text only configuration on older hardware, until the modern crop of single board computers came along. Now, Linux has its own dedicated new hardware that runs on passing stray electrons. ;)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Knight on Wed Apr 27 08:48:00 2016
    Knight wrote to Nightfox <=-

    I have really struggled with Linux desktops. In the early and late 90s,
    I definitely rocked the Slackware with a variety of desktop managers
    and custom setups. It was the thing to do. And then eventually I got
    tired of all the customizing.

    Linux desktops were pretty ordinary back then. I generally ran text only in those days. :)

    So then I did what Vk does, with Windows for desktop and Linux for servers.

    Works for me. :)

    Then something shifted in the early 2000s, when Apple perfected OSX and their sexy PowerBook line. I completely jumped ship and use Mac for desktop work, Linux for servers, and Windows only when I absolutely
    have to :P

    I love Macs. I had a Mackbook Pro in 2010, but it has since died. :( Love OS X, it's an awesome system and very good for the end user. Sadly, parts for my Mac are hard to find, and I can't afford a new one, so Windows will have to do for now.

    I haven't looked back since. (though occassionally I still use Windows
    on these cheap laptops I picked up for ham software or in a VM)

    Cool. :)


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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Tue Apr 26 18:36:36 2016
    Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Tue Apr 26 2016 08:53 am


    A few years ago, I bought a power usage monitor similar to this: http://www.p3international.com/products/p4400.html
    I used it with my BBS machine for a month, and I think I calculated that I spend
    about $12 (US) per year for electricity for my BBS machine.



    that's gotta be wrong. where did you get the calculation?

    i think i use:
    W x hrs
    divide by 1000
    multiply by days
    then multiply by what your company charges you

    mine is .1311

    http://tinyurl.com/hzanbnn
    ^^ the meter i bought
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Knight on Tue Apr 26 18:37:56 2016
    Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Knight to Nightfox on Tue Apr 26 2016 10:24 am

    Then something shifted in the early 2000s, when Apple perfected OSX and their sexy PowerBook line. I completely jumped ship and use Mac for desktop work, Linux for servers, and Windows only when I absolutely have to :P

    I haven't looked back since. (though occassionally I still use Windows on these cheap laptops I picked up for ham software or in a VM)


    i think what *nix does best is servers. i cant stand any *nix gui. they make great servers, though.

    when i see all those desktops it just looks to me like they are trying to copy the mac or windows ui.
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  • From Patch@VERT/R2LOTW to Poindexter Fortran on Tue Apr 26 17:27:18 2016
    Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Vk3jed on Tue Apr 26 2016 11:03 am

    Momentum, here. I'm running Windows on my BBS strictly out of habit. I'm using the same mailer, BBS and remote access tool for 11 years now and it works just enough not to be painful enough to prompt a change. I'd love to throw everything onto a VPS somewhere if that changed.

    One of the things that I just found on my NAS was a complete hard drive backup of my BBS way back when.

    It includes the DOS 6.0 OS, my original WWIV modified site, GEcho, FrontDoor, WWIVToss ... oh man. =)

    -Patch

    ... Chuck Norris can slam a revolving door.

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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Nightfox on Tue Apr 26 21:29:55 2016
    Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Nightfox to Knight on Tue Apr 26 2016 12:54 pm

    I think Apple's OS X is decent, but the thing with Apple is they make it only want to run on Apple hardware. I don't really like the Mac offerings from Apple (I feel like they are not easily customizable and tend to cost more than equivalent PC machines but offer fewer hardware features). It's possible to run OS X on a non-Apple computer, but the legality of that is questionable..

    Yewp, I use to be such an "open source" guy. I used only open source stuff on the hardware that I wanted, etc. But then I had to manage all the hardware I had... upgrade the graphics cards, fix the busted hard drives, reinstall my open source crap, etc.

    I even use to contribute to a *lot* of open source projects (one of my earliest memories is porting Eggrop by Robey Pointer to SVR4 (System V Release 4), on a UNIX host run off a BBS (Catch 22, California Online or West Coast Online's UNIX server). That took me a week, but wow, it was so worth it. It felt great to give back to the community.

    But now that I'm "old" I think I really like that I don't have to manage my hardware as much. I can manage my Raspberry Pis and other embedded computers (like the ODROID U3), but I don't have to manage towers and servers. And my servers can be online in someone else's datacenter that is managed transparent from the hardware.

    Yes, OSX must be run on Macs. But you *could* do OSX86. I did it for years until I finally caved and bought a Mac (PowerBook at the time). It installs and runs just fine out of the box, and no need to worry about OSX86 drivers for your custom hardware.

    But I can afford the extra $500 premium on their equipment, and everything just works together. Yeah, I'm quite an Apple junkie now. iPhones (I have just about every iPhone that came out since the first one), iPads, Apple Watch, Macs, Time Capsule, etc.

    And it all works in harmony.

    Is it perfect? Nothing is. But I don't spend time managing IT at home like I use to. My time is a premium now, I want to make my time work for me (or spend it doing fun things, not managing some shitty hardware failure with a shitty OS).

    It's the same reason some people hire nanny's, or house cleaners, or gardeners, or snow plowers. They'd rather do something else than do it themselves.

    That's the same people Apple products are for.

    Knight

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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Vk3jed on Tue Apr 26 21:34:28 2016
    Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Vk3jed to Knight on Wed Apr 27 2016 08:48 am

    Linux desktops were pretty ordinary back then. I generally ran text only in those days. :)

    Well, they weren't really. X11 was around for a long time, and then was replaced with Xorg's version later. And of course there was a variety of desktop managers (fvwm, fvwm2, etc -- I don't even remember all of them right now). And then there were lots of custom apps and custom implementations.

    I managed Solaris servers and desktops at Sun Microsystems in the mid 90s, and their desktop was fairly interesting. But I was young and everything seemed cool back then.

    I love Macs. I had a Mackbook Pro in 2010, but it has since died. :( Love OS X, it's an awesome system and very good for the end user. Sadly, parts for my Mac are hard to find, and I can't afford a new one, so Windows will have to do for now.

    Yep, it's true, OSX is a posix-compliant Unix-like operating system based on NetBSD's kernel (underneath called Darwin). It's just as powerful as any other Linux or BSD, offers the same userland and power, but has a pretty desktop interface that kills just about any other.

    Yeah, parts you can get online, but nothing is cheap in Apple land. iPhone parts are pretty affordable (I've fixed a lot of family iPhones), but Mac parts not so much.

    Bummer :)

    Cool. :)

    Side effect of using cheap $200 Windows 10 laptops -- I can play my Xbox games over the LAN from them :)

    Knight

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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Mro on Tue Apr 26 21:37:03 2016
    Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Mro to Knight on Tue Apr 26 2016 06:37 pm

    i think what *nix does best is servers. i cant stand any *nix gui. they make great servers, though.

    I think I might have an aneurysm. I agree here too. Three times in a week.

    Definitely, best of class servers, but loose edges for every UI I've ever seen from it.

    (Oh, and Cleese is an inbred retard)

    Knight

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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Patch on Tue Apr 26 21:38:38 2016
    Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Patch to Poindexter Fortran on Tue Apr 26 2016 05:27 pm

    One of the things that I just found on my NAS was a complete hard drive backup of my BBS way back when.

    I am incredibly jealous about this. That's so fantastic. I wish I still had my stuff. I think that the last backup I made was in 2001, on a ZIP drive somewhere. Whodathunk that an Iomega ZIP Drive wasn't going to be useful 15 years later! :)

    Knight

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Knight on Tue Apr 26 22:24:33 2016
    Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Knight to Vk3jed on Tue Apr 26 2016 09:34 pm

    I managed Solaris servers and desktops at Sun Microsystems in the mid 90s, and their desktop was fairly interesting. But I was young and everything seemed cool back then.

    Everything seemed cool, but there was some seriously well designed, cool hardware out there. I was running a gaming company's ops, had Solaris boxes running mail and DNS (and a "backup" system on my desktop). Compared to the white box systems we had running NT for the corporate stuff, the Sun boxes looked like a different species.

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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Poindexter Fortran on Wed Apr 27 00:04:55 2016
    Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Knight on Tue Apr 26 2016 10:24 pm

    Everything seemed cool, but there was some seriously well designed, cool hardware out there. I was running a gaming company's ops, had Solaris boxes running mail and DNS (and a "backup" system on my desktop). Compared to the white box systems we had running NT for the corporate stuff, the Sun boxes looked like a different species.

    Haha, yeah Sun and SGI had some wicked cases. And their Unix-like varients were both advanced and interesting. When I worked at datacenters, I got to see all the different types, and they were pretty incredible.

    White boxes were certainly boring in comparison ... but magnitudes cheaper of course :)

    Knight

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Knight on Wed Apr 27 18:23:00 2016
    Knight wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Vk3jed to Knight on Wed Apr 27 2016 08:48 am

    Linux desktops were pretty ordinary back then. I generally ran text only in those days. :)

    Well, they weren't really. X11 was around for a long time, and then was replaced with Xorg's version later. And of course there was a variety
    of desktop managers (fvwm, fvwm2, etc -- I don't even remember all of
    them right now). And then there were lots of custom apps and custom implementations.

    I found the window managers of the day required way too much manual intervention to create links to applications - things that happen either automatically on installation, or with a few mouse clicks.

    Yep, it's true, OSX is a posix-compliant Unix-like operating system
    based on NetBSD's kernel (underneath called Darwin). It's just as
    powerful as any other Linux or BSD, offers the same userland and power, but has a pretty desktop interface that kills just about any other.

    Yes, the interface of OS X is about as good as it gets. Same for a lot of Mac apps. Fir example, iMovie was the easiest video editor I've ever used, and very powerful. It was dead simply to select a clip from a source video AND add it to a project, all in one action! I've never seen that capability in any other siftware.

    Yeah, parts you can get online, but nothing is cheap in Apple land.
    iPhone parts are pretty affordable (I've fixed a lot of family
    iPhones), but Mac parts not so much.

    Apparently, my keyboard/power switch is a very hard to obtain one. :(

    Bummer :)

    Cool. :)

    Side effect of using cheap $200 Windows 10 laptops -- I can play my
    Xbox games over the LAN from them :)

    LOL, that's a non issue for me. I never got into gaming. Long story that's only been understood in recent years. :) Short version, most gaming systems and platforms are incompatible with me! :)


    ... Casserole is just another word for leftovers.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Knight on Wed Apr 27 18:32:00 2016
    Knight wrote to Patch <=-

    Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Patch to Poindexter Fortran on Tue Apr 26 2016 05:27 pm

    One of the things that I just found on my NAS was a complete hard drive backup of my BBS way back when.

    I am incredibly jealous about this. That's so fantastic. I wish I still had my stuff. I think that the last backup I made was in 2001, on a ZIP drive somewhere. Whodathunk that an Iomega ZIP Drive wasn't going to be useful 15 years later! :)

    I have BBS backups on CDs somewhere. The hard part will be locating them. :)


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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Knight on Wed Apr 27 07:08:00 2016
    Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Knight to Poindexter Fortran on Wed Apr 27 2016 12:04 am

    White boxes were certainly boring in comparison ... but magnitudes cheaper of course :)

    Yep -- the one big cool sun box running Oracle, the stack of boring white boxes running Apache, BIND, Sendmail, IMAPD, etc. etc. That was a staple of pre-funding dot-coms for a couple of years - at least the ones I set up! :)

    Must be cool nowadays to set up an early stage company and be able to set it all up in the cloud. Most of my company's spend was on hardware the first year!

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  • From Patch@VERT/R2LOTW to Knight on Wed Apr 27 07:14:43 2016
    Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Knight to Patch on Tue Apr 26 2016 09:38 pm

    I am incredibly jealous about this. That's so fantastic. I wish I still had my stuff. I think that the last backup I made was in 2001, on a ZIP drive somewhere. Whodathunk that an Iomega ZIP Drive wasn't going to be useful 15 years later! :)

    What's so funny about finding that backup, was back then a 40 meg hard drive was 'the shiz', hehehe.

    I was able to get all of my downloads that I had back in the 90's online, just for posterity sake.

    Best of all, all of the menu's and ANSI artwork were intact as well. My version of Synchronet is starting to look more and more like my old WWIV BBS. =)

    -Patch

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  • From Patch@VERT/R2LOTW to Vk3jed on Wed Apr 27 07:19:10 2016
    Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Vk3jed to Knight on Wed Apr 27 2016 06:32 pm

    I have BBS backups on CDs somewhere. The hard part will be locating them. :)

    LAWL =)

    -Patch

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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Vk3jed on Wed Apr 27 10:56:31 2016
    Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Vk3jed to Knight on Wed Apr 27 2016 06:23 pm

    I found the window managers of the day required way too much manual intervention to create links to applications - things that happen either automatically on installation, or with a few mouse clicks.

    Yeah that was so annoying. Having to setup dotfiles for X, a .fvwmrc, and many others. The X11 conf was done by hand, and the most disturbing part was getting your monitor to display correctly because you had to guess or generate line modes that describe the geometry of the monitor. I hated that so much, and it was so rare to get your screen just right (especially if you had the more cutting edge monitors).

    Yes, the interface of OS X is about as good as it gets. Same for a lot of Mac apps. Fir example, iMovie was the easiest video editor I've ever used, and very powerful. It was dead simply to select a clip from a source video AND add it to a project, all in one action! I've never seen that capability in any other siftware.

    I love it. Beauty intersecting with simplicity intersecting with ease of use.

    Knight

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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Poindexter Fortran on Wed Apr 27 11:00:25 2016
    Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Knight on Wed Apr 27 2016 07:08 am

    Yep -- the one big cool sun box running Oracle, the stack of boring white boxes running Apache, BIND, Sendmail, IMAPD, etc. etc. That was a staple of pre-funding dot-coms for a couple of years - at least the ones I set up! :)

    Exactly, I did this too. I worked for (and started) so many small little startups that needed to be smart about the hardware budget.

    I think I made more money back then too. There was a lot less competition.

    Knight

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Knight on Wed Apr 27 17:59:04 2016
    Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Knight to Mro on Tue Apr 26 2016 09:37 pm

    I think I might have an aneurysm. I agree here too. Three times in a week.


    good for you, dickwad. keep tallying up the counts.
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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Mro on Wed Apr 27 17:59:18 2016
    Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Mro to Knight on Wed Apr 27 2016 05:59 pm

    good for you, dickwad. keep tallying up the counts.

    Well that just reset it back to zero. There's no hope in hoping when it pertains to mro.

    Knight

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Wed Apr 27 18:52:26 2016
    Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Tue Apr 26 2016 18:36:36

    A few years ago, I bought a power usage monitor similar to this:
    http://www.p3international.com/products/p4400.html
    I used it with my BBS machine for a month, and I think I calculated
    that I spend
    about $12 (US) per year for electricity for my BBS machine.

    that's gotta be wrong. where did you get the calculation?

    Yeah, I was wrong, it was more like about $32 per year.

    Nightfox

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to All on Wed Apr 27 21:00:04 2016
    Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Knight to Mro on Wed Apr 27 2016 05:59 pm

    Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Mro to Knight on Wed Apr 27 2016 05:59 pm

    good for you, dickwad. keep tallying up the counts.

    Well that just reset it back to zero. There's no hope in hoping when it pertains to mro.


    annnnd bye whoever you are.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Wed Apr 27 18:58:35 2016
    Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Wed Apr 27 2016 07:43:00

    Yes. A lot seem to like Mint these days. I'm yet to try that one, but it's on the top of my list. My main issue is I only need two desktops,
    and both need Windows. Dual booting is a PITA, I always seem to be
    in the wrong OS at any given time. :)

    I know what you mean. I don't really want the hassle of dual-booting, so I've stuck with Windows on my desktop system for now due to software I use that is made for Windows. However I've given some thought to switching to Linux as a desktop OS and running Windows in a VM. That way I wouldn't have to dual-boot.

    As for SuSe, I never liked that distro, nor did I like Mandrake/Mandriva, when that one was popular, even though a lot of people raved about them.

    I'm curious why you didn't like SuSE or Mandrake/Mandriva? I had tried Mandrake at one point and I liked it; however, like many Linux distros at the time, the next version seemed to break things and there were some hardware devices etc. that didn't work. SuSE seemed to be one of the distros where things tended to work more consistently after upgrading, and I liked that SuSE included plenty of software packages on the installation media. But I suppose that last point isn't as important these days, when package managers can easily and quickly fetch packages from online repositories.

    A few years ago, I bought a power usage monitor similar to this:
    http://www.p3international.com/products/p4400.html
    I used it with my BBS machine for a month, and I think I calculated
    that I spend
    about $12 (US) per year for electricity for my BBS machine.

    But at how many c/kWh? Electricity prices are around 25c/kWh here these days. Around 8 years ago, I used to run a Pentium 4 server, which I had VMware and was hosting as much as I could on it, for economy. One day the power supply died, and I never reactivated that machine (it's still here, has a new PSU but hasn't been fired up since). The power bill dropped immediately by around $60 - 80 / quarter (no kidding!).

    I don't remember the cost per kWh.. And my $12 per year was incorrect - It was actually more like $32 per year.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Knight on Thu Apr 28 08:36:00 2016
    Knight wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Yeah that was so annoying. Having to setup dotfiles for X, a .fvwmrc,
    and many others. The X11 conf was done by hand, and the most disturbing part was getting your monitor to display correctly because you had to guess or generate line modes that describe the geometry of the monitor.
    I hated that so much, and it was so rare to get your screen just right (especially if you had the more cutting edge monitors).

    Yeah, generating modelines was a real trial and error process back then! I had almost forgotten about that. I didn't mind the initial setup so much, it was the constant having to manually add applications to the window manager. Most of the time I couldn't be bothered and simply kept an open xterm around, so I could run the commands by hand. :)

    Yes, the interface of OS X is about as good as it gets. Same for a lot of Mac apps. Fir example, iMovie was the easiest video editor I've ever used, and very powerful. It was dead simply to select a clip from a source video AND add it to a project, all in one action! I've never seen that capability in any other siftware.

    I love it. Beauty intersecting with simplicity intersecting with ease
    of use.

    Apple's strength has always been its design philosophy, in the way they combine style with functionality and ease of use.


    ... My kid wanted a watch for Christmas, so we let him.
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
    ■ Synchronet ■ Freeway BBS in Bendigo, Australia.
  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Thu Apr 28 13:49:00 2016
    Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Wed Apr 27 2016 07:43:00

    Yes. A lot seem to like Mint these days. I'm yet to try that one, but it's on the top of my list. My main issue is I only need two desktops,
    and both need Windows. Dual booting is a PITA, I always seem to be
    in the wrong OS at any given time. :)

    I know what you mean. I don't really want the hassle of dual-booting,
    so I've stuck with Windows on my desktop system for now due to software
    I use that is made for Windows. However I've given some thought to switching to Linux as a desktop OS and running Windows in a VM. That
    way I wouldn't have to dual-boot.

    Sometimes, a VM is a good option. I used to do that on the Mac, though for 95% of my Windows needs, I found that Crossover was a better solution, much less resources than a VM uses. Only fired up the VM when I had to run something that was not compatible with Crossover. Towards the end of the Mac's life, the VM was rarely used, because either native apps or Crossover compatible Windows apps did the trick.

    As for SuSe, I never liked that distro, nor did I like Mandrake/Mandriva, when that one was popular, even though a lot of people raved about them.

    I'm curious why you didn't like SuSE or Mandrake/Mandriva? I had tried Mandrake at one point and I liked it; however, like many Linux distros
    at the time, the next version seemed to break things and there were
    some hardware devices etc. that didn't work. SuSE seemed to be one of
    the distros where things tended to work more consistently after
    upgrading, and I liked that SuSE included plenty of software packages
    on the installation media. But I suppose that last point isn't as important these days, when package managers can easily and quickly
    fetch packages from online repositories.

    Actually, the package managers, and the way package management was setup were reasons I didn't like those distros. I found them hard to maintain in certain ways (it's been a while, a lot of detail is lost). I've done best with Red Hat/CentOS, as well as Debian. These days, it's either Debian (for x86/x86_64) or Raspian (for ARM). I find Debian's policies towards upgrades better than most.

    I don't remember the cost per kWh.. And my $12 per year was incorrect
    - It was actually more like $32 per year.

    That still sounds like an underestimate. :)
    ... I'm not insensitive, I'm male. See the difference?
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Wed Apr 27 23:05:19 2016
    Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Wed Apr 27 2016 06:52 pm

    A few years ago, I bought a power usage monitor similar to this:
    http://www.p3international.com/products/p4400.html
    I used it with my BBS machine for a month, and I think I calculated
    that I spend
    about $12 (US) per year for electricity for my BBS machine.

    that's gotta be wrong. where did you get the calculation?

    Yeah, I was wrong, it was more like about $32 per year.


    that even seems too low.
    less than 3 usd a month?
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Wed Apr 27 23:06:33 2016
    Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Wed Apr 27 2016 06:58 pm

    I know what you mean. I don't really want the hassle of dual-booting, so I've stuck with Windows on my desktop system for now due to software I use that is made for Windows. However I've given some thought to switching to Linux as a desktop OS and running Windows in a VM. That way I wouldn't


    i just have a linux OS on a separate hd and switch it over in my bios when i need to load up linux to fix one of window's fuck ups.
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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Mro on Thu Apr 28 00:03:15 2016
    Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Mro to All on Wed Apr 27 2016 09:00 pm

    good for you, dickwad. keep tallying up the counts.

    I just send that garbage to /dev/null. Mro, king net prick.

    Knight

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  • From WEATHERMAN@VERT/TCP to Patch on Thu Apr 28 15:06:53 2016
    One of the things that I just found on my NAS was a complete hard drive backup of my BBS way back when.

    It includes the DOS 6.0 OS, my original WWIV modified site, GEcho, FrontDoor, WWIVToss ... oh man. =)

    Fire that baby up in a VM, and re-join WWIVnet! :)

    - Mark

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  • From tracker1@VERT/TRNTEST to Nightfox on Sat Apr 30 17:18:15 2016
    I know what you mean. I don't really want the hassle of dual-booting, so
    I've stuck with Windows on my desktop system for now due to software I use that is made for Windows. However I've given some thought to switching to Linux as a desktop OS and running Windows in a VM. That way I wouldn't
    have
    to dual-boot.

    Windows has an actual Linux Subsystem in beta... you can use the entire
    Ubuntu userland directly in windows (including bash, ruby, python etc).. not virtualized. Been meaning to take some time to set it up... I'm kind of curious if dosemu will work in it.

    I don't mind the windows UI, it's the differences in the command prompt that have been the bigger annoyance for me lately. I've been SSHing into a Linux
    VM to work, with a drive mapped from the VM to windows, so I can use a gui editor. Looking forward to using apt-get inside windows.

    --
    Michael J. Ryan
    tracker1(at)gmail.com
    +o Roughneck BBS

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  • From tracker1@VERT/TRNTEST to Mro on Sat Apr 30 17:26:37 2016
    Yeah, I was wrong, it was more like about $32 per year.

    that even seems too low.
    less than 3 usd a month?

    My current desktop burns $3-5 a month, but it's mostly idle, and the screens off... I probably remote into it as much as I sit at it.. my HTPC is off most of the day, and that just trickles power (<15W at full load). Not sure about my nas box, but it's mostly idle (s3 mode) unless I'm streaming from the HTPC or downloading something.

    Last year I upgraded most of my hardware to (then) current gen Intel
    hardware, my electric bill dropped a *LOT* I also shut off the two servers I was running for good. I think it went down about $100/month (but running 4 FX-8xxx cpus is a lot of watts).

    Current HTPC is an i3-5010, same for spare in bedroom (mostly off), NAS is an old 4-drive synology box... desktop is a bit of a beast i7-4790K, 4gb GTX-970 SC, 32gb ram, 1.5tb of SSD storage. Desktop is running the BBS, and a couple of VMs, rarely goes above 5% cpu load (running around 1-2% right now).

    --
    Michael J. Ryan
    tracker1(at)gmail.com
    +o Roughneck BBS

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to tracker1 on Sat Apr 30 21:34:46 2016
    Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: tracker1 to Nightfox on Sat Apr 30 2016 17:18:15

    Windows has an actual Linux Subsystem in beta... you can use the entire Ubuntu userland directly in windows (including bash, ruby, python etc).. not virtualized. Been meaning to take some time to set it up... I'm kind of curious if dosemu will work in it.

    Interesting.. I had heard of Cygwin, but I didn't know Windows has a Linux subsystem now. Do you know if it's new in Windows 10, or if it had existed earlier?

    Nightfox

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to tracker1 on Sun May 1 10:28:59 2016
    Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: tracker1 to Mro on Sat Apr 30 2016 05:26 pm


    Current HTPC is an i3-5010, same for spare in bedroom (mostly off), NAS is an old 4-drive synology box... desktop is a bit of a beast i7-4790K, 4gb GTX-970 SC, 32gb ram, 1.5tb of SSD storage. Desktop is running the BBS,
    and a couple of VMs, rarely goes above 5% cpu load (running around 1-2% right now).


    that's weird because i had an i72600k computer and 2 atom netbooks and i was using 80/month. this is with 2 displays, my sound system, lamp on desktop. clock, phone chargers and other misc stuff.

    are you guys sure about your figures?
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Sun May 1 14:23:48 2016
    Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Nightfox to tracker1 on Sat Apr 30 2016 09:34 pm

    Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: tracker1 to Nightfox on Sat Apr 30 2016 17:18:15

    Windows has an actual Linux Subsystem in beta... you can use the entire Ubuntu userland directly in windows (including bash, ruby, python etc).. not virtualized. Been meaning to take some time to set it up... I'm kind of curious if dosemu will work in it.

    Interesting.. I had heard of Cygwin, but I didn't know Windows has a Linux subsystem now. Do you know if it's new in Windows 10, or if it had existed earlier?

    It's new for Windows 10 only, but it sounds like a disappointment to me (e.g. you can't run native Windows programs from within the Linux/bash environment). If you need/want bash on Windows, it sounds like cygwin is still the better option.

    digital man

    Synchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #0:
    ANSI = American National Standards Institute
    Norco, CA WX: 71.1°F, 54.0% humidity, 8 mph SSE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Digital Man on Sun May 1 17:58:22 2016
    Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sun May 01 2016 14:23:48

    Interesting.. I had heard of Cygwin, but I didn't know Windows has a
    Linux subsystem now. Do you know if it's new in Windows 10, or if it
    had existed earlier?

    It's new for Windows 10 only, but it sounds like a disappointment to me (e.g. you can't run native Windows programs from within the Linux/bash environment). If you need/want bash on Windows, it sounds like cygwin is still the better option.

    Interesting.. So does the Linux subsystem run Linux software then? It does seem like a disappointment if it can't run Windows software.

    Nightfox

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Sun May 1 20:03:18 2016
    Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Sun May 01 2016 05:58 pm

    Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sun May 01 2016 14:23:48

    Interesting.. I had heard of Cygwin, but I didn't know Windows has a
    Linux subsystem now. Do you know if it's new in Windows 10, or if it
    had existed earlier?

    It's new for Windows 10 only, but it sounds like a disappointment to me (e.g. you can't run native Windows programs from within the Linux/bash environment). If you need/want bash on Windows, it sounds like cygwin is still the better option.

    Interesting.. So does the Linux subsystem run Linux software then?

    Yes, Linux softwarew only.

    digital man

    Synchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #34:
    SCFG = Synchronet Configuration Utility
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  • From Denn Gray@VERT/ECBBS to Digital Man on Sun May 7 19:13:27 2017
    Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Digital Man to Patch on Fri Apr 22 2016 23:08:02

    Synchronet "Real Fact" #20:
    The first commericial sale of Synchronet was to Las Vegas Playground BBS

    How much were you selling it for back then?

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Denn Gray on Mon May 8 22:46:23 2017
    Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Denn Gray to Digital Man on Sun May 07 2017 07:13 pm

    Synchronet "Real Fact" #20:
    The first commericial sale of Synchronet was to Las Vegas Playground
    BBS

    How much were you selling it for back then?
    [0m


    afaik SBBS was standalone, so it would be the price for that, plus sbbecho if you wanted it, lust SBJ, SMM, and other Domain Vertruen utilities each had seperate license.

    So hit that Paypal link and DONATE!

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    KK4QBN BBS

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Denn Gray on Sat Jun 3 12:55:29 2017
    Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Denn Gray to Digital Man on Sun May 07 2017 07:13 pm

    Re: New BBS and Doors
    By: Digital Man to Patch on Fri Apr 22 2016 23:08:02

    Synchronet "Real Fact" #20:
    The first commericial sale of Synchronet was to Las Vegas Playground BBS

    How much were you selling it for back then?

    I think initially it was $199 for a 250 node license (and that's probably what LV Playground paid). And then we soon went to a tiered pricing model where we had higher prices for more nodes.

    digital man

    Synchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #24:
    FTN = FidoNet Technology Network
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