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  • Cars and fuel

    From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to KK4QBN on Sat Aug 5 13:02:02 2017
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    By: KK4QBN to Leregard on Sat Aug 05 2017 07:31 am

    Thats why Mr Musk needs to hurry with his electric cars, and put some affordable ones on the road.. at least we can make our own fule here and not have to be dependant on the middle east. and other "undesirable" parts of the world that is holding oil over our heads..

    There are other brands that make more affordable electric cars. There's the Nissan Leaf, Chevrolet Bolt, FIAT 500e, Volkswagen E-Golf, and probably several others that I don't know about. They seem to be in the $30,000 range, which is still a bit more than the average consumer might want to pay for a car, but quite a bit less than Tesla's cars. It seems Tesla is trying to be more of a luxury electric car maker.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Sat Aug 5 14:52:11 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Nightfox to KK4QBN on Sat Aug 05 2017 01:02 pm

    It seems Tesla is
    trying to be more of a luxury electric car maker.

    The local job listings keep showing positions for one company as "company confidential", but the job description refers to the client as a "high performance electric car manufacturer in Fremont, CA". Gee, wonder who they're talking about?

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Aug 5 15:21:26 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Sat Aug 05 2017 02:52 pm

    The local job listings keep showing positions for one company as "company confidential", but the job description refers to the client as a "high performance electric car manufacturer in Fremont, CA". Gee, wonder who they're talking about?

    I've noticed a lot of contractor job postings tend to be worded like that. The last couple times I was unemployed, I ran into that a lot.. I heard recruiting companies and contracting companies sometimes like to keep their client business confidential to prevent applicants from applying to the company directly. But IMO it also makes it difficult for applicants to distinguish which company is looking for workers, which can be an issue. I've heard that if you apply to the same job through 2 or more different recuiters or contracting companies, your application will probably be thrown out. But if the job postings don't list what company it's for, then you have to try to see if the job description looks similar enough to something you've already applied for, which makes extra work for the applicant.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Nightfox on Sat Aug 5 19:46:07 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Nightfox to KK4QBN on Sat Aug 05 2017 13:02:02

    There are other brands that make more affordable electric cars. There's the Nissan Leaf, Chevrolet Bolt, FIAT 500e, Volkswagen E-Golf, and probably several others that I don't know about. They seem to be in the $30,000 range, which is still a bit more than the average consumer might want to pay for a car, but quite a bit less than Tesla's cars. It seems Tesla is trying to be more of a luxury electric car maker.

    We need a decent 20-30,000 range pure electric car on the market something affordable for the average working stiff..we have plenty of sun, hydrogen, and alternative energies to be kissing the saudis asses.. the crap needs to stop.

    I'm tired of seeing the same old crap just played out over and over again.. we truly are in a new age and need to start acting like it. first item on the agenda. get rid of the dinosaurs in Washington. It's time for new blood.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to KK4QBN on Sat Aug 5 17:34:06 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: KK4QBN to Nightfox on Sat Aug 05 2017 07:46 pm

    We need a decent 20-30,000 range pure electric car on the market something affordable for the average working stiff..we have plenty of sun, hydrogen, and alternative energies to be kissing the saudis asses.. the crap needs to stop.

    It seems to me like change takes time.. We'll probably eventually get there, but it will probably take longer than we think it should.

    Nightfox

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Nightfox on Sat Aug 5 21:35:36 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Nightfox to KK4QBN on Sat Aug 05 2017 17:34:06

    It seems to me like change takes time.. We'll probably eventually get there, but it will probably take longer than we think it should.

    Look up the Evo I believe... in the early 90's we already had fairly viable electric cars on the market.. for about a week.. before they were pulled and thousands were taken to the heap and crushed.. POLITICS.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Sun Aug 6 13:14:00 2017
    KK4QBN wrote to Nightfox <=-

    We need a decent 20-30,000 range pure electric car on the market
    something affordable for the average working stiff..we have plenty of
    sun, hydrogen, and alternative energies to be kissing the saudis
    asses.. the crap needs to stop.

    I'm a big fan of electric cars, though storage technology still needs some improvement. Companies like Tesla have certainly come a long way. Add some renewable energy, and speaking of renewable energy, why not add some solar panels to the roof of the car. Sure, it would be a slow way to charge the main battery, but it could add useful amounts of charge when the car is not being driven (like when parked on a multi day camping trip), or be used to run the accessories without a net battery drain (at least during daylight hours ;) ).

    I'm tired of seeing the same old crap just played out over and over again.. we truly are in a new age and need to start acting like it.
    first item on the agenda. get rid of the dinosaurs in Washington. It's time for new blood.

    The political system needs to be overhauled, there's too many vested interests setting the agenda.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Sun Aug 6 13:20:00 2017
    KK4QBN wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Look up the Evo I believe... in the early 90's we already had fairly viable electric cars on the market.. for about a week.. before they
    were pulled and thousands were taken to the heap and crushed..
    POLITICS.

    Politics and economics (vested interests). As for "viable", that's a matter of definition. I would want a minimum 500 km range between charges - enough for a round trip to Melbourne, and since charging currently takes some time (that could change if capacitor become competitive with batteries), "topping up" is not as convenient as it is with petrol powered cars. But the time for electric cars is well overdue. They do make a lot of sense on so many levels, should be a lot cheaper to own, being essentially simple, mechanically speaking. Maintenance costs should be a lot less.


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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sat Aug 5 23:18:23 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Nightfox to KK4QBN on Sat Aug 05 2017 05:34 pm

    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: KK4QBN to Nightfox on Sat Aug 05 2017 07:46 pm

    We need a decent 20-30,000 range pure electric car on the market something affordable for the average working stiff..we have plenty of sun, hydrogen, and alternative energies to be kissing the saudis asses.. the crap needs to stop.

    It seems to me like change takes time.. We'll probably eventually get there, but it will probably take longer than we think it should.


    there's a lot of hard working people in the usa that would be affected if we dropped oil. it would create chaos. we are going to use oil forever.
    solar sucks. alternative energies suck in comparison to oil.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to KK4QBN on Sat Aug 5 23:24:40 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: KK4QBN to Nightfox on Sat Aug 05 2017 09:35 pm

    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Nightfox to KK4QBN on Sat Aug 05 2017 17:34:06

    It seems to me like change takes time.. We'll probably eventually get there, but it will probably take longer than we think it should.

    Look up the Evo I believe... in the early 90's we already had fairly viable electric cars on the market.. for about a week.. before they were pulled and thousands were taken to the heap and crushed.. POLITICS.

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    another thing to consider about electric cars is the batteries are expensive as fuuuuck. and do they really last that long? dont know, i'm not sure if anybody really knows. electric cars arent mainstream. could i screw up my battery by only partially charging it during the weekdays? that would really suck.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Sat Aug 5 22:24:02 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Sat Aug 05 2017 11:18 pm

    there's a lot of hard working people in the usa that would be affected if we dropped oil. it would create chaos. we are going to use oil forever. solar sucks. alternative energies suck in comparison to oil.

    Big changes in technology naturally cause some disruption, but I think the economy and job market would recover. I'm sure the change from horse & buggies to automobiles was a disruption, but we're fine now.. And although alternative energies suck now, I'm sure technology to provide alternative energy will get better. For one, the sun has a lot of energy, and it seems to me if we could harness it and store it more efficiently, there should be plenty of energy from the sun to power much of our things. Seems like there's a lot of energy coming from the sun that we just aren't capturing, or aren't capturing very well.

    Nuclear power could be a good alternative if we could be assured it would be safe enough..

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Sat Aug 5 22:28:32 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Mro to KK4QBN on Sat Aug 05 2017 11:24 pm

    another thing to consider about electric cars is the batteries are expensive as fuuuuck. and do they really last that long? dont know, i'm not sure if anybody really knows. electric cars arent mainstream.

    Hybrid cars have been around for a while though. The first Honda Insight (around 2001) was the first hybrid I remember seeing. These days, it seems the Toyota Prius is probably the most popular hybrid. I haven't heard of any major issues with the batteries in hyrids.

    could i
    screw up my battery by only partially charging it during the weekdays? that would really suck.

    From what I've heard, I believe today's rechargeable batteries (specifically lithium-ion) don't suffer from problems with partial charging. Earlier
    types of batteries, such as nickel cadmium, did have issues with that. I've seen electric cars plugged into charging stations where available - I think people just plug them in when they park their car and not have to worry about it.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Sun Aug 6 02:43:50 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Mro to KK4QBN on Sat Aug 05 2017 23:24:40

    another thing to consider about electric cars is the batteries are expensive as fuuuuck. and do they really last that long? dont know, i'm not sure if anybody really knows. electric cars arent mainstream. could i screw up my battery by only partially charging it during the weekdays?

    True.. Especially LiPo batteries.. they do not like partial charges, or to be overcharged. Hydrogen maybe?

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Sun Aug 6 09:37:01 2017
    Re: Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Sun Aug 06 2017 01:14 pm

    I'm a big fan of electric cars, though storage technology still needs some improvement. Companies like Tesla have certainly come a long way. Add some

    i saw a ted talk of some energy expert and he said we have hit a wall with batteries in regards. i guess we've learned all that we could have learned and can do all that we can do with batteries. he could be wrong, but we will see.

    renewable energy, and speaking of renewable energy, why not add some solar panels to the roof of the car. Sure, it would be a slow way to charge the main battery, but it could add useful amounts of charge when the car is not

    the type of solar panels that would be added to a car would be ugly and not even generate much energy at all. you would be better off having a wind turbine mounted to your roof.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Sun Aug 6 09:39:02 2017
    Re: Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Sun Aug 06 2017 01:20 pm

    Politics and economics (vested interests). As for "viable", that's a matter of definition. I would want a minimum 500 km range between charges - enough for a round trip to Melbourne, and since charging currently takes some time (that could change if capacitor become competitive with batteries), "topping up" is not as convenient as it is with petrol powered cars. But the time for electric cars is well overdue. They do make a lot of sense on so many levels, should be a lot cheaper to own, being essentially simple, mechanically speaking. Maintenance costs should be a lot less.


    i drove across the country this summer. it was an 18 hr trip. we took turns driving. if it was a trip in an electric car it would have taken a lot
    longer and it would have been a big pain in the ass.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sun Aug 6 10:15:09 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Sat Aug 05 2017 10:24 pm

    Big changes in technology naturally cause some disruption, but I think the economy and job market would recover. I'm sure the change from horse & buggies to automobiles was a disruption, but we're fine now.. And although alternative energies suck now, I'm sure technology to provide alternative energy will get better. For one, the sun has a lot of energy, and it seems to me if we could harness it and store it more efficiently, there should be plenty of energy from the sun to power much of our things. Seems like there's a lot of energy coming from the sun that we just aren't capturing, or aren't capturing very well.

    i'm 40 years old now. since i was in school i have been told that the world is ending, we are going to lose our entire ozone layer and we will run out of fossil fuels in my lifetime. meanwhile fucking al gore has been using enough energy in one year in his mansion to run a regular house for 30 years.

    we will not run out of natural gas, or oil. in many hundreds of years. we are actually capping wells with oil because the cost of oil is so low.

    we have also been told that solar power IS the replacement. solar is horrible for many reasons. i'm not sure if we should work more on solar technology or just abandon it and look at other alternatives.

    natural gas is great but i've been told there's issues with shipping it out of the country here.

    nuclear has been proven to be safe, people are just scared of it.
    i'm not sure i would trust it in someone's car, though.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sun Aug 6 10:16:27 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Sat Aug 05 2017 10:28 pm

    From what I've heard, I believe today's rechargeable batteries (specifically lithium-ion) don't suffer from problems with partial charging. Earlier


    my cellphone batteries have lost their charge from that.

    and you know where i get my electricity from? coal plants!
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to KK4QBN on Sun Aug 6 10:20:05 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: KK4QBN to Mro on Sun Aug 06 2017 02:43 am


    another thing to consider about electric cars is the batteries are expensive as fuuuuck. and do they really last that long? dont know, i'm not sure if anybody really knows. electric cars arent mainstream. could i screw up my battery by only partially charging it during the weekdays?

    True.. Especially LiPo batteries.. they do not like partial charges, or to be overcharged. Hydrogen maybe?


    also if the battery goes out, the cost of the battery is so high, i wouldnt replace it. i'd just get a good used regular car for that cost.
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  • From spacesst@VERT/SPACESST to KK4QBN on Sun Aug 6 10:52:10 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: KK4QBN to Nightfox on Sat Aug 05 2017 19:46:07

    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Nightfox to KK4QBN on Sat Aug 05 2017 13:02:02

    There are other brands that make more affordable electric cars.
    There's the Nissan Leaf, Chevrolet Bolt, FIAT 500e, Volkswagen
    E-Golf, and probably several others that I don't know about. They
    seem to be in the $30,000 range, which is still a bit more than the
    average consumer might want to pay for a car, but quite a bit less
    than Tesla's cars. It seems Tesla is trying to be more of a luxury
    electric car maker.

    We need a decent 20-30,000 range pure electric car on the market something affordable for the average working stiff..we have plenty of sun, hydrogen, and alternative energies to be kissing the saudis asses.. the crap needs to stop.

    I'm tired of seeing the same old crap just played out over and over again.. we truly are in a new age and need to start acting like it. first item on the agenda. get rid of the dinosaurs in Washington. It's time for new blood.

    You will never get that

    all of many Compagny and/or individual Want Money
    if you get a Car like this , Every body will lost their JOB

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Sun Aug 6 11:23:59 2017
    Re: Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Sun Aug 06 2017 09:37:01

    the type of solar panels that would be added to a car would be ugly and not even generate much energy at all. you would be better off having a wind turbine mounted to your roof.

    You must not have read up on solar panels lately then.. they are very close to having a viable FILM that can be wrapped on any surface that acts as solar conducter.

    So that blows that argument out of the water so to speak.

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  • From Darkwing@VERT to KK4QBN on Sun Aug 6 10:25:05 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: KK4QBN to Mro on Sun Aug 06 2017 02:43 am

    True.. Especially LiPo batteries.. they do not like partial charges, or to be overcharged. Hydrogen maybe?

    I joined the Maricopa emergency comms group for a full day training and they definitely instilled the fear of God in us when it comes to batteries. Scary when you realize the charger must be 100% functional to keep it from exploding! Makes me wonder just how much I can trust those Baofeng radios and the charger they come with.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Sun Aug 6 14:57:41 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Mro to KK4QBN on Sun Aug 06 2017 10:20:05

    also if the battery goes out, the cost of the battery is so high, i wouldnt replace it. i'd just get a good used regular car for that cost.

    So true... even the 2 and 3 cell batteries I use for my rc planes cost from 15 to 40.00 dollars a peice depending on mAh and throughput.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to spacesst on Sun Aug 6 15:00:28 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: spacesst to KK4QBN on Sun Aug 06 2017 10:52:10

    You will never get that

    all of many Compagny and/or individual Want Money
    if you get a Car like this , Every body will lost their JOB

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    Thats why the thousands of cars they built in the 90's (BRAND NEW CARS) were sent to the junk heap to be crushed. They said there was a "Massive Recall" on these cars. but wee all kow tha ns,

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Darkwing on Sun Aug 6 15:05:43 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Darkwing to KK4QBN on Sun Aug 06 2017 10:25:05

    True.. Especially LiPo batteries.. they do not like partial charges,
    or to be overcharged. Hydrogen maybe?

    I joined the Maricopa emergency comms group for a full day training and they definitely instilled the fear of God in us when it comes to batteries. Scary when you realize the charger must be 100% functional to keep it from exploding! Makes me wonder just how much I can trust those Baofeng radios and the charger they come with.


    The Baofengs are fairly safe.. just dont go to sleep with it or any other device under your pillow :).

    I've dropped my baofeng in a mud puddle before and had no issues..

    Lipose just don't need to be run down under about 3.3v per cell nor over 4.2 volts per cell, and should storage charge at 3.8v per cell if ypu are storing for a season. and if they start to puff, thats when it is time to get rid of them.

    really all you need to worry avout is the LiPos in the really cheap
    Chinese tablets and hoverboards. the only issue the baofeng will give you is a small burn when transmitting if you happen to touch the contats at the back while txing.. maybe out some electrical tape over them.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Sun Aug 6 12:02:22 2017
    Re: Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Sun Aug 06 2017 09:37 am

    i saw a ted talk of some energy expert and he said we have hit a wall with batteries in regards. i guess we've learned all that we could have learned and can do all that we can do with batteries. he could be wrong, but we will see.

    I don't think hitting a wall means we've learned all we can learn and have done all we can do. Sometimes people are just in a slump with ideas.. Innovation doesn't happen consistently.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Sun Aug 6 12:09:03 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Sun Aug 06 2017 10:15 am

    we will not run out of natural gas, or oil. in many hundreds of years. we are actually capping wells with oil because the cost of oil is so low.

    We may very well have enough oil to last another several hundred years, but it will eventually run out. Perhaps those hundreds of years will be enough time for us to develop alternative energy to the point where it will be effective enough to use.

    And as much as it's debated whether the exhaust from burning fossil fuels
    harms the environment, I doubt it actually does anything good for the environment.. There are places without much environmental regulations (such as China) where smog and pollution are so bad that people regularly wear face masks so they can breathe easier.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to KK4QBN on Sun Aug 6 13:50:13 2017
    Re: Re: Cars and fuel
    By: KK4QBN to Mro on Sun Aug 06 2017 11:23 am

    Re: Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Sun Aug 06 2017 09:37:01

    the type of solar panels that would be added to a car would be ugly and not even generate much energy at all. you would be better off having a wind turbine mounted to your roof.

    You must not have read up on solar panels lately then.. they are very close to having a viable FILM that can be wrapped on any surface that acts as solar conducter.

    So that blows that argument out of the water so to speak.

    every year we see all kinds of new stuff online and in science magazines
    but they never come to fruition.
    solar is just not a good energy source.
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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Sun Aug 6 18:49:14 2017
    Re: Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Mro to KK4QBN on Sun Aug 06 2017 13:50:13

    every year we see all kinds of new stuff online and in science magazines but they never come to fruition.
    solar is just not a good energy source.

    Its because the oil barons either sue them out of existance, or make them suicide themselves..

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Mro on Sun Aug 6 15:33:27 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Mro to KK4QBN on Sun Aug 06 2017 10:20 am

    another thing to consider about electric cars is the batteries are
    expensive as fuuuuck. and do they really last that long? dont
    know, i'm not sure if anybody really knows. electric cars arent
    mainstream. could i screw up my battery by only partially charging
    it during the weekdays?

    True.. Especially LiPo batteries.. they do not like partial charges,
    or to be overcharged. Hydrogen maybe?


    also if the battery goes out, the cost of the battery is so high, i wouldnt replace it. i'd just get a good used regular car for that cost.

    Electric cars are not an option for the vast majority of people in the USA.
    definatly not at this point where we have more and more US oil wells and natural Gas wells comming on line not to mention Canadian oil.
    I know people screem about green energy "wind Solar" but even with those they make up a very small percentage of our overall power needs.
    and how are electric cars charged? mostly by coal power plants that provide that energy.
    Electric cars right now can go about 200 miles on a flat road with a good tail wind.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Mon Aug 7 08:05:00 2017
    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    i saw a ted talk of some energy expert and he said we have hit a wall
    with batteries in regards. i guess we've learned all that we could have learned and can do all that we can do with batteries. he could be
    wrong, but we will see.

    I'm not so sure, and who knows what other energy storage alternatives will be found. Capacitors, although still lagging behind in storage capacity, are advancing rapidly.

    the type of solar panels that would be added to a car would be ugly and not even generate much energy at all. you would be better off having a wind turbine mounted to your roof.

    Again, technology is changing fast. I don't expect on board solar panels to be a particularly fast way to charge your car, but if you're spending a week on a camping trip, you could accumulate a useful amount of charge while parked at your campsite. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Mon Aug 7 08:09:00 2017
    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    i drove across the country this summer. it was an 18 hr trip. we took turns driving. if it was a trip in an electric car it would have
    taken a lot longer and it would have been a big pain in the ass.

    We have the same issues here with distance, only worse - Outback driving will be the domain of internal combustion engines . If the range was right, it could enforce good rest breaks - pull up at a motel and plug in for the night. :)


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Denn on Sun Aug 6 17:18:54 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Denn to Mro on Sun Aug 06 2017 03:33 pm

    Electric cars are not an option for the vast majority of people in the USA.
    definatly not at this point where we have more and more US oil wells and natural Gas wells comming on line not to mention Canadian oil.
    I know people screem about green energy "wind Solar" but even with those they make up a very small percentage of our overall power needs.
    and how are electric cars charged? mostly by coal power plants that provide that energy.
    Electric cars right now can go about 200 miles on a flat road with a good tail wind.

    They definitely need to be able to hold more of a charge and be able to go further on a charge. I think another issue is that there aren't enough charging stations, and it takes a while to charge them. If people could recharge in the time it takes to fill up a gas tank (even if it means having their battery replaced to save time), that would help. Also, there are many people who live in apartments, and I have not yet seen an apartment anywhere that has charging stations for electric cars.

    Nightfox

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Sun Aug 6 17:27:59 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Aug 05 2017 03:21 pm

    I've noticed a lot of contractor job postings tend to be worded like that. The last couple times I was unemployed, I ran into that a lot...

    Most of the time it seems there's no chance you'll be presented for the position and instead they'll mention a handful of other positions. The original position appears to be a bait and switch.

    I've had recruiters want to "get me in their system" before they even discuss the position - references, salary history, etc... and that rubs me the wrong way. It's got to be a two-way street.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Vk3jed on Sun Aug 6 17:35:17 2017
    Re: Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Sun Aug 06 2017 01:14 pm

    I'm a big fan of electric cars, though storage technology still needs some improvement. Companies like Tesla have certainly come a long way. Add some renewable energy, and speaking of renewable energy, why not add some solar panels to the roof of the car.

    I was at the Vintage Computer Fair today at the Compute History Museum in Mountain View, CA this morning. I counted 6 proprietary Tesla chargers and got into a Tesla jam in the parking lot - 2 backing up out of parking places, one waiting to pull in, and lil ol' me in my Prius waiting for them to finish their dance.

    Toyota makes a solar roof for the Prius, but I don't think the capacity is there yet for battery charging -- all it does is run a fan to cool the cabin. That helps with mileage by reducing the need for AC, but doesn't do a lot.

    I liked the idea of the Chevy Volt - it used electric only to run the wheels and a small gas engine to charge the batteries.

    The Fisker came with a solar roof, if memory serves.

    I think electric is the wave of the future as battery tech gets better; look at how many moving parts in a gas engine versus an electric motor.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Aug 6 18:31:21 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Sun Aug 06 2017 05:27 pm

    Most of the time it seems there's no chance you'll be presented for the position and instead they'll mention a handful of other positions. The original position appears to be a bait and switch.

    I haven't experienced that.. In fact, in many of my experiences, it seems the recruiters are strictly going from what you say on your resume as far as your skills, and tend to recommend jobs that match those skills, or what they think will be best suited for the skills you present and have most recently used.

    I've had recruiters want to "get me in their system" before they even discuss the position - references, salary history, etc... and that rubs me the wrong way. It's got to be a two-way street.

    I haven't had that happen so much for me, but I could see that happening.

    Nightfox

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to KK4QBN on Sun Aug 6 20:21:28 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: KK4QBN to spacesst on Sun Aug 06 2017 03:00 pm

    Thats why the thousands of cars they built in the 90's (BRAND NEW CARS) were sent to the junk heap to be crushed. They said there was a "Massive Recall" on these cars. but wee all kow tha ns,


    are you sure you arent thinking of cash for clunkers?
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Denn on Sun Aug 6 22:41:28 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Denn to Mro on Sun Aug 06 2017 03:33 pm

    I know people screem about green energy "wind Solar" but even with those they make up a very small percentage of our overall power needs.
    and how are electric cars charged? mostly by coal power plants that provide that energy.


    yeah, it's like how in some cases recycling is causing more polution and waste than just not recycling.

    Electric cars right now can go about 200 miles on a flat road with a good tail wind.


    that's another important point about electric cars. if they have to go uphill it's hard on the battery. if they go downhill, it's easy on them.
    if i would have had an electric car during my summer trip , it would have taken several days with all the charging. and i dont even think i could find places to charge it all the time if i wanted to take an electric car.
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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Vk3jed on Sun Aug 6 20:52:46 2017
    Re: Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Vk3jed to Mro on Mon Aug 07 2017 08:05 am


    i saw a ted talk of some energy expert and he said we have hit a
    wall with batteries in regards. i guess we've learned all that we

    To bad Cold Fushion was a pipe dream.


    Again, technology is changing fast. I don't expect on board solar panels to be a particularly fast way to charge your car, but if you're spending a week on a camping trip, you could accumulate a useful amount of charge while parked at your campsite. :)

    Probably enough to keep ou cellphones, Laptops and Tablets charged.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Mro on Sun Aug 6 21:56:13 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Mro to Denn on Sun Aug 06 2017 10:41 pm

    I know people screem about green energy "wind Solar" but even with
    those they make up a very small percentage of our overall power needs.
    and how are electric cars charged? mostly by coal power plants that
    provide that energy.
    (TRUE)

    yeah, it's like how in some cases recycling is causing more polution and waste than just not recycling.
    (TRUE)
    Electric cars right now can go about 200 miles on a flat road with a
    good tail wind.
    some report gett about 280 mpc (Miles per Chrage).

    that's another important point about electric cars. if they have to go uphill it's hard on the battery. if they go downhill, it's easy on them. if i would have had an electric car during my summer trip , it would have taken several days with all the charging. and i dont even think i could find places to charge it all the time if i wanted to take an electric car.
    Can't willy wonka invent the everlasting gas gobstopper?

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  • From Darkwing@VERT to KK4QBN on Sun Aug 6 22:41:51 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: KK4QBN to Darkwing on Sun Aug 06 2017 03:05 pm

    really all you need to worry avout is the LiPos in the really cheap Chinese tablets and hoverboards. the only issue the baofeng will give you is a small burn when transmitting if you happen to touch the contats at the back while txing.. maybe out some electrical tape over them.

    You sound like you've played around with this more than I have =) So no worries about touching the antenna on the HT when transmitting at 5w? What about 50w on the mobile in my saturn? haha... I rarely kick it up that much, as I think just having the 5/8 wavelength antenna is the key there. Although I do have to kick it to 50w to hit the repeaters on Mt Lemmon down by Tucson as I'm up in North Scottsdale (~100-120mi, but it's a tall mountain).

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Roadhog on Mon Aug 7 18:00:00 2017
    Roadhog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    To bad Cold Fushion was a pipe dream.

    Actually it can be done, but there is a catch. Muons will catalyse fusion reactions at reasonable conditions. The problem is it's as difficult to create enough muons to do this as it is to initiate fusion the normal way, so there's no net benefit.

    Again, technology is changing fast. I don't expect on board solar panels to be a particularly fast way to charge your car, but if you're spending a week on a camping trip, you could accumulate a useful amount of charge while parked at your campsite. :)

    Probably enough to keep ou cellphones, Laptops and Tablets charged.

    And the rest, an amorphous cell a fraction od the size of a car's roof is enough to do that. A 100W panel (about 2/3 of the roof's area using current technology) could run a standard car stereo at full volume, with some to spare.
    I used a 100W panel and battery setup to power a portable ham station all day.


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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Mon Aug 7 07:14:18 2017
    Re: Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Aug 07 2017 12:10:00

    [0m

    Very inciteful message has something been wrong with your editor or something?

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Darkwing on Mon Aug 7 07:42:58 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Darkwing to KK4QBN on Sun Aug 06 2017 22:41:51

    You sound like you've played around with this more than I have =) So no worries about touching the antenna on the HT when transmitting at 5w? What about 50w on the mobile in my saturn? haha... I rarely kick it up that much, as I think just having the 5/8 wavelength antenna is the key there. Although I do have to kick it to 50w to hit the repeaters on Mt Lemmon down by Tucson as I'm up in North Scottsdale (~100-120mi, but it's a tall mountain).

    Nah, no worries.. I try to make it a habit to keep the antenna of any untit as far away from me as possible though.. "Just cause" :-)

    I always keep my 50 watt unit on 50 watts.. if I put in on low power, sometimes when running down the highway and txing to a repeater the tx will want to "picket fence" and I don't know if you've ever heard picket fencing, but it bugs the crap out of you.. So I leave it on 50 watts..

    I know they say "Use the least amount you can get away with" but 50 watts is nothing, and it keeps me from picket fencing, so thats the least amount I can get away with.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Mon Aug 7 07:48:23 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Nightfox to Denn on Sun Aug 06 2017 05:18 pm

    They definitely need to be able to hold more of a charge and be able to go further on a charge. I think another issue is that there aren't enough charging stations, and it takes a while to charge them.

    My previous employer had 4 charging stations/1000 employees and it was never enough. I spoke to some drivers who *needed* to charge to get back home, and they'd go around leaving nasty notes on cars when they got in at 11:00am and someone hadn't moved their car as soon as you were done charging.

    Most drivers were fine with the next user unplugging their car to charge - each car has a pretty easy way to tell when the car is charged.

    I once had someone unplug my car before it was done, and heard of Tesla drivers who'd park all day and lock the charger onto their car.

    I drive a Prius plug-in hybrid - if I don't get my charge, I'm still getting home...

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Roadhog on Mon Aug 7 07:54:55 2017
    Re: Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Roadhog to Vk3jed on Sun Aug 06 2017 08:52 pm

    To bad Cold Fushion was a pipe dream.

    If you like classic Science Fiction, check out "The Midas Plague", by Federick Pohl. The lever for the plot is the invention of viable cold fusion and the societal changes it brings about.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Mro on Mon Aug 7 11:21:17 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Sun Aug 06 2017 10:15 am

    i'm 40 years old now. since i was in school i have been told that the world is ending, we are going to lose our entire ozone layer and we will run out of fossil fuels in my lifetime. meanwhile fucking al gore has been using enough energy in one year in his mansion to run a regular house for 30 years.

    we will not run out of natural gas, or oil. in many hundreds of years. we are actually capping wells with oil because the cost of oil is so low.

    Just to clarify, was that "global warming is a conspiracy theory"?

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to spacesst on Mon Aug 7 11:29:51 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: spacesst to KK4QBN on Sun Aug 06 2017 10:52 am

    all of many Compagny and/or individual Want Money
    if you get a Car like this , Every body will lost their JOB

    My mind is blown by this. As technology advances and we constantly reinvent production methods to increase profits everyone loses their job anyway.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Aug 7 11:45:28 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Sun Aug 06 2017 05:27 pm

    I've had recruiters want to "get me in their system" before they even discuss the position - references, salary history, etc... and that rubs me the wrong way. It's got to be a two-way street.

    I think most recruiters these days work on commission, which is sick.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Leregard on Mon Aug 7 11:10:34 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Leregard to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Aug 07 2017 11:45 am

    I think most recruiters these days work on commission, which is sick.

    External ones do, and some can make a ton of money moving bodies.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Aug 7 11:39:08 2017
    Re: Re: Cars and fuel
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Roadhog on Mon Aug 07 2017 07:54 am

    To bad Cold Fushion was a pipe dream.

    If you like classic Science Fiction, check out "The Midas Plague", by Federick Pohl. The lever for the plot is the invention of viable cold fusion and the societal changes it brings about.

    Thanks I will see if I can find it on audiobook.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Roadhog on Mon Aug 7 15:53:38 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Roadhog to Mro on Sun Aug 06 2017 09:56 pm

    (TRUE)
    Electric cars right now can go about 200 miles on a flat road with a
    good tail wind.
    some report gett about 280 mpc (Miles per Chrage).


    these italians took a tesla model s for a drive at 25mph and got 670 miles out of it. it was all flat land, though.

    i'm sure if i tried that i would get a lot less.
    also i never go 25mph
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Tue Aug 8 08:13:00 2017
    KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    [0m

    Very inciteful message has something been wrong with your editor or something?

    Looks like an ANSI thought bubble. :D


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  • From spacesst@VERT/SPACESST to Leregard on Mon Aug 7 20:20:15 2017
    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Leregard to spacesst on Mon Aug 07 2017 11:29:51

    Re: Cars and fuel
    By: spacesst to KK4QBN on Sun Aug 06 2017 10:52 am

    all of many Compagny and/or individual Want Money
    if you get a Car like this , Every body will lost their JOB

    My mind is blown by this. As technology advances and we constantly reinvent production methods to increase profits everyone loses their job anyway.

    Everything will go to Robot and AI to make Good's
    Bye bye , Worker ,but the problem will be , no work no money , no money
    can not buy GOOD's

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Roadhog on Tue Aug 8 08:00:06 2017
    Re: Re: Cars and fuel
    By: Roadhog to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Aug 07 2017 11:39 am

    If you like classic Science Fiction, check out "The Midas Plague", by
    Federick Pohl. The lever for the plot is the invention of viable cold
    fusion and the societal changes it brings about.

    Thanks I will see if I can find it on audiobook.

    Apparently, BBC did a radio adaptation in 1991 as part of a show called "The Shape of things to Come" that might be interesting.

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