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  • I Hate LibreOffice

    From Deepthaw@VERT/DS94 to All on Tue Jul 4 18:40:13 2017
    I just spent a full hour banging my head against LibreOffice Calc trying to get it to do something I do with great ease in Excel and Google Sheets on a regular basis. I ended up just giving up and using Google Sheets for it.

    I was trying to apply some simple text cleanup and concatenation filters to a loooooong list of filenames and descriptions, and every time I'd try to copy or save it out of LibreOffice Calc, it'd lose all the TRIM() stuff it had done.

    If I choose "values" and not "formulas" it'd *still* fail to keep the TRIM() formatting applied, but do all the concatenation.

    Does anybody actually find themselves able to get work done with this software?

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  • From Darkwing@VERT to Deepthaw on Tue Jul 4 21:51:25 2017
    Re: I Hate LibreOffice
    By: Deepthaw to All on Tue Jul 04 2017 06:40 pm

    If I choose "values" and not "formulas" it'd *still* fail to keep the TRIM() formatting applied, but do all the concatenation.

    Does anybody actually find themselves able to get work done with this softwa

    Did you try copying the entire column to another column as values and no formulas whatsoever, and export that?

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DEEPTHAW on Fri Jul 7 18:03:00 2017
    Does anybody actually find themselves able to get work done with this software?

    Yes, I rather like it, BUT I have never tried to do anything that
    complicated before, either.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DARKWING on Fri Jul 7 18:04:00 2017
    Did you try copying the entire column to another column as values and no
    formulas whatsoever, and export that?

    I have had to do that in excel before in order to get some features of excel
    to work.

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Dumas Walker on Sat Jul 8 09:59:22 2017
    Re: I Hate LibreOffice
    By: Dumas Walker to DEEPTHAW on Fri Jul 07 2017 06:03 pm

    Yes, I rather like it, BUT I have never tried to do anything that complicated before, either.

    Same here; they have an online version now called Libreoffice online that sounds pretty interesting. Runs on Owncloud.

    I'm spending most of my time with G Suite - most of the companies I've seen lately are using G Suite if they're newer, and O365 if they're established. Once you get your head around the G suite mindset, it's pretty nice.

    After using Microsoft Office since 1992 it was took a bit of getting used to to switch.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sun Jul 9 12:49:00 2017
    I'm spending most of my time with G Suite - most of the companies I've seen lately are using G Suite if they're newer, and O365 if they're established. Once you get your head around the G suite mindset, it's pretty nice.

    G Suite? I have never heard of that one. Is it windows-based?

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  • From Captain Obvious@VERT/SHADOW9 to Dumas Walker on Sun Jul 9 21:18:00 2017
    On 07/09/17, Dumas Walker said the following...

    G Suite? I have never heard of that one. Is it windows-based?

    Google apps.

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  • From Deavmi@VERT/KK4QBN to Captain Obvious on Fri Aug 4 22:07:08 2017
    On 2017-07-09 11:18 PM, Captain Obvious wrote:
    On 07/09/17, Dumas Walker said the following...

    DW> G Suite? I have never heard of that one. Is it windows-based?

    Google apps.

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    Who and why would one hate LibreOffice. I do like MS Word though but LibreOffice is pretty good actually.

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  • From Jagossel@VERT/MTLGEEK to Deavmi on Fri Aug 4 17:26:33 2017
    Re: Re: I Hate LibreOffice
    By: Deavmi to Captain Obvious on Fri Aug 04 2017 22:07:08

    Who and why would one hate LibreOffice. I do like MS Word though but LibreOffice is pretty good actually.

    Personally, I like Microsoft Office more than LibreOffice; however, LibreOffice is a great office suite for when you cannot afford Microsoft Office or just have a Linux machine.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Deavmi on Fri Aug 4 18:20:30 2017
    Re: Re: I Hate LibreOffice
    By: Deavmi to Captain Obvious on Fri Aug 04 2017 10:07 pm

    Who and why would one hate LibreOffice. I do like MS Word though but LibreOffice is pretty good actually.

    I've been playing with a couple of suites lately, since my office licenses are getting out of date and I've been using my Linux laptop more these days.

    It's hard to beat office365, and "renting" the newest version of office, getting 1TB of cloud storage and the online apps. You could use Office365 on any platform and use the Windows/Mac apps when applicable.

    For the same price you could get G suite and use web apps all the time. I'm leaning that way.

    If you had multiple systems, multiple platforms and didn't want to use cloud storage I'd use OpenOffice and Resilio Sync. Resilio does secure file syncing cross-platform and doesn't use the cloud. You could back up your docs to all of your systems and have multiple copies for safe keeping and have a free office app to work with - without any data in the cloud.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Aug 5 16:52:00 2017
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Deavmi <=-

    I've been playing with a couple of suites lately, since my office
    licenses are getting out of date and I've been using my Linux laptop
    more these days.

    I used to use suites like OpenOffice or LibreOffice, but a few years ago, I had to work on a document, which none of the free suites or cloud services like Google Docs/G Suite could handle without corrupting the formatting. I ended up subscribing to Office 365, which worked perfectly

    It's hard to beat office365, and "renting" the newest version of
    office, getting 1TB of cloud storage and the online apps. You could use Office365 on any platform and use the Windows/Mac apps when applicable.

    That's the route I ended up going down, and it's affordable, with frequent updates.

    For the same price you could get G suite and use web apps all the time. I'm leaning that way.

    At the cost of compatibility. For most people, the alternatives work perfectly, and it certainly doesn't hurt to check out the free options. I used them successfully for many years, but sometimes you need the real Microsoft product for maximum compatibility.

    If you had multiple systems, multiple platforms and didn't want to use cloud storage I'd use OpenOffice and Resilio Sync. Resilio does secure file syncing cross-platform and doesn't use the cloud. You could back
    up your docs to all of your systems and have multiple copies for safe keeping and have a free office app to work with - without any data in
    the cloud.

    That's an interesting idea, and an alternative twist is to use OpenOffice on Linux and Office 365 on Windows machines, along with Resilio. That way, you can use any machine for day to day editing, but have MS Office available for when maximum compatibility is needed.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Vk3jed on Sat Aug 5 08:51:59 2017
    Re: Re: I Hate LibreOffice
    By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Aug 05 2017 04:52 pm

    For the same price you could get G suite and use web apps all the
    time. I'm leaning that way.

    At the cost of compatibility. For most people, the alternatives work perfectly, and it certainly doesn't hurt to check out the free options.

    More and more companies I talk to are moving to G Suite - companies that already have an investment in Microsoft are moving to Office365, while new companies starting out are using G Suite. I think in a couple of years you'll reach parity where people have experience with both.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Aug 6 07:39:00 2017
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    More and more companies I talk to are moving to G Suite - companies
    that already have an investment in Microsoft are moving to Office365, while new companies starting out are using G Suite. I think in a couple
    of years you'll reach parity where people have experience with both.

    The good thing is there's choice. I was just pointing out that my hands ended up being tied by an old document that demanded 100% compatibility, with the older Word format (.doc).


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  • From Robert Wolfe@VERT/OTHETA to JAGOSSEL on Sat Aug 5 09:48:00 2017
    Personally, I like Microsoft Office more than LibreOffice; however, LibreOff
    is a great office suite for when you cannot afford Microsoft Office or just have a Linux machine.

    Agreed.

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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to DEAVMI on Mon Aug 7 10:34:00 2017
    DEAVMI wrote to CAPTAIN OBVIOUS <=-

    DW> G Suite? I have never heard of that one. Is it windows-based?

    Google apps.

    Who and why would one hate LibreOffice. I do like MS Word though but LibreOffice is pretty good actually.

    Eh - to each his own. I don't like Firefox, but I know people that swear
    by it. I use Safari as my primary browser, but Chrome for GAFE stuff.

    When I was primarily Windows I would use IE exclusively. I liked it -
    it did what I needed - I had no problems. People called me stupid
    for using it.

    If we all liked the same thing there would only be one flavor of
    ice cream. :-)





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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to VK3JED on Mon Aug 7 10:35:00 2017
    VK3JED wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

    I used to use suites like OpenOffice or LibreOffice, but a few years
    ago, I had to work on a document, which none of the free suites or
    cloud services like Google Docs/G Suite could handle without corrupting the formatting. I ended up subscribing to Office 365, which worked perfectly

    And that's an example where sometimes you need the brand name thing...

    Had you been creating from scratch or just worried more about the text
    and not the 'format' then ANYTHING would have worked! :-)




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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Mon Aug 7 10:36:00 2017
    POINDEXTER FORTRAN wrote to VK3JED <=-

    More and more companies I talk to are moving to G Suite - companies
    that already have an investment in Microsoft are moving to Office365, while new companies starting out are using G Suite. I think in a couple
    of years you'll reach parity where people have experience with both.

    I work for a school system and GAFE (Google Apps for Education) is FREE
    with unlimited cloud storage for staff AND students. No reason NOT to
    use it! :-)




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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to JIMMY ANDERSON on Mon Aug 7 15:01:21 2017
    Re: Re: I Hate LibreOffice
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to DEAVMI on Mon Aug 07 2017 10:34 am

    When I was primarily Windows I would use IE exclusively. I liked it -
    it did what I needed - I had no problems. People called me stupid
    for using it.

    I don't think anyone is stupid for using a particular program.. I think many people used IE because it was there, included with Windows. But there were other web browsers before IE..

    I think the main problem with IE, in the past, was that it had bugs and didn't conform to web standards 100%, causing web developers to do additional work making their pages work correctly with IE. And because of Microsoft's dominant position in the market, many web developers went ahead with that, knowing that many people were using IE. I think Microsoft may have purposefully made IE work slightly different from the standards to encourage people to use it - Sometimes, a web site actually only worked correctly in IE..

    Nightfox

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Mon Aug 7 20:15:34 2017
    Re: Re: I Hate LibreOffice
    By: Nightfox to JIMMY ANDERSON on Mon Aug 07 2017 03:01 pm

    Re: Re: I Hate LibreOffice
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to DEAVMI on Mon Aug 07 2017 10:34 am

    When I was primarily Windows I would use IE exclusively. I liked it - it did what I needed - I had no problems. People called me stupid
    for using it.

    I don't think anyone is stupid for using a particular program.. I think many people used IE because it was there, included with Windows. But there were other web browsers before IE..


    ie went from being the shittiest browser to a much faster secure browser.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to JIMMY ANDERSON on Tue Aug 8 08:39:00 2017
    JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to VK3JED <=-

    And that's an example where sometimes you need the brand name thing...

    Yes, that's what forced my hand.

    Had you been creating from scratch or just worried more about the text
    and not the 'format' then ANYTHING would have worked! :-)

    And for many years, OpenOffice and Google Docs did fit the bill, I used them for years, before subscribing to Office 365. In this instance, the formatting was a critical component of the document. Creating from scratch would have been the only other option, but that would have been time prohibitive, and possibly beyond my word processing ability. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to JIMMY ANDERSON on Tue Aug 8 10:17:00 2017
    JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

    I work for a school system and GAFE (Google Apps for Education) is FREE with unlimited cloud storage for staff AND students. No reason NOT to
    use it! :-)

    I'm guessing US only, reason I'm asking is I work for a couple of schools down here.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Mon Aug 7 18:28:59 2017
    Re: Re: I Hate LibreOffice
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Mon Aug 07 2017 08:15 pm

    ie went from being the shittiest browser to a much faster secure browser.

    And IE has been replaced by Edge in Windows 10..

    Nightfox

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Mon Aug 7 23:10:25 2017
    Re: Re: I Hate LibreOffice
    By: Vk3jed to JIMMY ANDERSON on Tue Aug 08 2017 10:17 am

    JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

    I work for a school system and GAFE (Google Apps for Education) is FREE with unlimited cloud storage for staff AND students. No reason NOT to use it! :-)

    I'm guessing US only, reason I'm asking is I work for a couple of schools down here.


    not sure but you can look. must be why the school system here has it.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Tue Aug 8 19:11:00 2017
    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

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    Re: Re: I Hate LibreOffice
    By: Vk3jed to JIMMY ANDERSON on Tue Aug 08 2017 10:17 am

    JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

    I work for a school system and GAFE (Google Apps for Education) is FREE with unlimited cloud storage for staff AND students. No reason NOT to use it! :-)

    I'm guessing US only, reason I'm asking is I work for a couple of schools down here.


    not sure but you can look. must be why the school system here has it.
    i was a beta tester so i had it for free but lost it because i never
    used it. ---

    Time to investigate. :)


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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to JIMMY ANDERSON on Tue Aug 8 09:15:37 2017
    Re: Re: I Hate LibreOffice
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Mon Aug 07 2017 10:36 am

    I work for a school system and GAFE (Google Apps for Education) is FREE
    with unlimited cloud storage for staff AND students. No reason NOT to
    use it! :-)

    Is it free because they harvest your information and use it for targeted advertising to children?

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to JIMMY ANDERSON on Tue Aug 8 08:09:49 2017
    Re: Re: I Hate LibreOffice
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to DEAVMI on Mon Aug 07 2017 10:34 am

    When I was primarily Windows I would use IE exclusively. I liked it -
    it did what I needed - I had no problems. People called me stupid
    for using it.

    It worked, and once you got used to it, it was the Devil You Know. For many years, an employer of mine had developed apps that worked mostly best on IE and wouldn't support third party browsers. It was so bad that we installed a Windows VM on Macs so they could run certain job-critical apps.

    Third-party support for Microsoft apps like Sharepoint and support in homegrown apps has improved greatly since then, to the point where Chrome became the de facto browser of choice.

    I still prefer Outlook Express over Thunderbird if I need a POP/IMAP/NNTP client. People think I'm crazy for *that*!

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to JIMMY ANDERSON on Tue Aug 8 08:11:09 2017
    Re: Re: I Hate LibreOffice
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Mon Aug 07 2017 10:36 am

    I work for a school system and GAFE (Google Apps for Education) is FREE with unlimited cloud storage for staff AND students. No reason NOT to
    use it! :-)

    My son's going into high school - his junior high was all on Google. He turned in assignments via google and did web-based homework. Kind of a bummer when I want to review them, but where there's a will, there's a (new) way.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Nightfox on Tue Aug 8 11:34:55 2017
    Re: Re: I Hate LibreOffice
    By: Nightfox to JIMMY ANDERSON on Mon Aug 07 2017 15:01:21

    I think the main problem with IE, in the past, was that it had bugs and didn't conform to web standards 100%, causing web developers to do additional work making their pages work correctly with IE. And because of Microsoft's dominant position in the market, many web developers went ahead with that, knowing that many people were using IE. I think Microsoft may have purposefully made IE work slightly different from the standards to encourage people to use it - Sometimes, a web site actually only worked correctly in IE..

    I never liked IE, and never used EDGE much, but the little I did use of EDGE I liked.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 9 11:49:00 2017
    KK4QBN wrote to Nightfox <=-

    I never liked IE, and never used EDGE much, but the little I did use of EDGE I liked.

    I never liked IE either. Haven't used Edge, so I can't comment there. My biggest beef with IT was its dumbed down error message. People would ring up and say "The page cannot be displayed", the IE "catch all" error message. But it didn't distinguish between DNS lookup issues (host not found) and network issues (host not responsing, connection refused, etc), which made troubleshooting much harder than it needed to be.



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  • From Deavmi@VERT/USERCLUB to JIMMY ANDERSON on Fri Aug 18 01:04:49 2017
    DEAVMI wrote to CAPTAIN OBVIOUS <=-

    DW> G Suite? I have never heard of that one. Is it windows-based?

    Google apps.

    Who and why would one hate LibreOffice. I do like MS Word though but LibreOffice is pretty good actually.

    Eh - to each his own. I don't like Firefox, but I know people that swear
    by it. I use Safari as my primary browser, but Chrome for GAFE stuff.

    When I was primarily Windows I would use IE exclusively. I liked it -
    it did what I needed - I had no problems. People called me stupid
    for using it.

    If we all liked the same thing there would only be one flavor of
    ice cream. :-)





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    I agree with oue disagreeing. I like all the flavors :)

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  • From Deavmi@VERT/USERCLUB to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Aug 18 01:06:20 2017
    Re: Re: I Hate LibreOffice
    By: Deavmi to Captain Obvious on Fri Aug 04 2017 10:07 pm

    Who and why would one hate LibreOffice. I do like MS Word though but LibreOffice is pretty good actually.

    I've been playing with a couple of suites lately, since my office licenses are getting out of date and I've been using my Linux laptop more these days.

    It's hard to beat office365, and "renting" the newest version of office, getting 1TB of cloud storage and the online apps. You could use Office365 on any platform and use the Windows/Mac apps when applicable.

    For the same price you could get G suite and use web apps all the time. I'm leaning that way.

    If you had multiple systems, multiple platforms and didn't want to use cloud storage I'd use OpenOffice and Resilio Sync. Resilio does secure file syncing cross-platform and doesn't use the cloud. You could back up your docs to all of your systems and have multiple copies for safe keeping and have a free office app to work with - without any data in the cloud.

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  • From Deavmi@VERT/USERCLUB to Jagossel on Fri Aug 18 01:09:57 2017
    Re: Re: I Hate LibreOffice
    By: Deavmi to Captain Obvious on Fri Aug 04 2017 22:07:08

    Who and why would one hate LibreOffice. I do like MS Word though but LibreOffice is pretty good actually.

    Personally, I like Microsoft Office more than LibreOffice; however, LibreOffice is a great office suite for when you cannot afford Microsoft Office or just have a Linux machine.

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