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    From Misfit@VERT/EMERALD to All on Tue Sep 27 18:52:41 2016
    Was thinking about switching my "Residential" Cox internet service over to "business class" internet service simply so could get:

    1. Static IP (To be fair, mine only changes once a year or so, but..)
    2. Reverse DNS resolution
    3. All ports open (including the, so-called, "coveted" port 25)
    4. More UL BW (so I thought)

    Turns out I'd be paying more to go from 300/40 to some 60/15 malarky. Really? Paying MORE for LESS simply because it is "business class". Guess they know how to make money. I don't mind spending more, but that is rediculous. What happended to the good 'ol days when you could just slip someone at your ISP a few bucks for a static IP and they'd also give you reverse DNS because they were "cool like that".

    Only other option where is AT&T U-Verse and not about to get DSL garbage. Besides, I'm sure their (AT&T) "corporatism" is worse than Cox.


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  • From Hemo@VERT/UJOINT to Misfit on Tue Sep 27 20:06:38 2016
    Re: ISP's
    By: Misfit to All on Tue Sep 27 2016 06:52 pm

    Was thinking about switching my "Residential" Cox internet service over to "business class" internet service simply so could get:

    1. Static IP (To be fair, mine only changes once a year or so, but..)
    2. Reverse DNS resolution
    3. All ports open (including the, so-called, "coveted" port 25)
    4. More UL BW (so I thought)

    Turns out I'd be paying more to go from 300/40 to some 60/15 malarky. Really? Paying MORE for LESS simply because it is "business class". Guess they know how to make money. I don't mind spending more, but that is rediculous. What happended to the good 'ol days when you could just slip someone at your ISP a few bucks for a static IP and they'd also give you reverse DNS because they were "cool like that".

    Time Warner cable does the exact same thing with their 'business class'. Even worse, if your building is in a 'business' district, you can not get the residnetial service, you must get the business service, triple the cost, 1/5 the service. Unless you can work out a deal with the guy across the street where it is residential to give you his WiFi password and point an antenna or two in your direction.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Misfit on Tue Sep 27 21:06:44 2016
    Re: ISP's
    By: Misfit to All on Tue Sep 27 2016 06:52 pm

    Was thinking about switching my "Residential" Cox internet service over to "business class" internet service simply so could get:

    1. Static IP (To be fair, mine only changes once a year or so, but..)
    2. Reverse DNS resolution
    3. All ports open (including the, so-called, "coveted" port 25)
    4. More UL BW (so I thought)

    Turns out I'd be paying more to go from 300/40 to some 60/15 malarky. Really? Paying MORE for LESS simply because it is "business class". Guess they know how to make money. I don't mind spending more, but that is rediculous. What happended to the good 'ol days when you could just slip


    how much are you willing to spend to rent a server?
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  • From Misfit@VERT/EMERALD to Hemo on Tue Sep 27 22:33:18 2016
    Re: ISP's
    By: Hemo to Misfit on Tue Sep 27 2016 08:06 pm

    Time Warner cable does the exact same thing with their 'business class'. Ev worse, if your building is in a 'business' district, you can not get the residnetial service, you must get the business service, triple the cost, 1/5 the service. Unless you can work out a deal with the guy across the street where it is residential to give you his WiFi password and point an antenna o two in your direction.


    SMDH. I'm not surprised. Pure "Gordon Gekko"-style greed. My apartment balcony overlooks our pool, so I have an open captive portal outdoor wifi for anyone that wants to use it. Cox gets wind of that, wouldn't be surpised if they tried to charge extra for it. Actually, I remember in the late 80's, Cincinnati Bell DID try to do something similar: wanting to charge BBS owners more for their lines that they had their boards on. It didn't go beyond just a proposal, fortunetly, as sysops banded together against them. These were just hobbyist boards, not the "for profit" boards that would come later...


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  • From Misfit@VERT/EMERALD to Mro on Tue Sep 27 23:11:32 2016
    Re: ISP's
    By: Mro to Misfit on Tue Sep 27 2016 09:06 pm

    how much are you willing to spend to rent a server?

    I have one already on Amazon's AWS/EC2. They lifted restrictions on port 25 (just requires a request) and I plan on moving my email to it. I'm currently using DirectNIC's servers for my email, but want to move it over as (after DirectNIC came under new ownership) it isn't always reliable...


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Misfit on Wed Sep 28 13:17:00 2016
    Misfit wrote to All <=-

    1. Static IP (To be fair, mine only changes once a year or so, but..)
    2. Reverse DNS resolution
    3. All ports open (including the, so-called, "coveted" port 25)
    4. More UL BW (so I thought)

    Turns out I'd be paying more to go from 300/40 to some 60/15 malarky. Really? Paying MORE for LESS simply because it is "business class".
    Guess they know how to make money. I don't mind spending more, but that
    is rediculous. What happended to the good 'ol days when you could just slip someone at your ISP a few bucks for a static IP and they'd also
    give you reverse DNS because they were "cool like that".

    Depends on your ISP. Mine only charges $10/month for #1, possibly #2 included too. #3 is provided free (user control of the filtering), #4 is not relevant here (limited by DSL here, not policy).


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  • From Steven Sheeley@VERT/INFINITY to Mro on Wed Sep 28 07:42:58 2016
    Hello Mro!

    27 Sep 16 21:06, you wrote to Misfit:

    Re: ISP's
    By: Misfit to All on Tue Sep 27 2016 06:52 pm

    Was thinking about switching my "Residential" Cox internet service
    over to "business class" internet service simply so could get:

    1. Static IP (To be fair, mine only changes once a year or so,
    but..) 2. Reverse DNS resolution 3. All ports open (including the,
    so-called, "coveted" port 25) 4. More UL BW (so I thought)

    Turns out I'd be paying more to go from 300/40 to some 60/15
    malarky. Really? Paying MORE for LESS simply because it is
    "business class". Guess they know how to make money. I don't mind
    spending more, but that is rediculous. What happended to the good
    'ol days when you could just slip


    how much are you willing to spend to rent a server?
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    I currently run a webserver at DigitalOcean and I love thier service. My issue is running the BBS on Linux, never done it and don't know if I want to learn that aspect yet. I pay approx $30 USD per month for the umlimited droplet I run. Currently, the BBS runs on a Laptop that I had laying around here at home, a fairly decent machine running Windows 7 32Bit.

    IF I could find a hosting service where I could have a Win7 32Bit instance running, I'd move the BBS over ina heart beat simply becuase I too suffer at the hands of my ISP. I've got residential service from Suddenlink, 100M down/8M up and it's not bad save the Ports oissue. I've been beating my ehad against the wall trying to get thier tech support, who are, IMNSHO nothing more that script monkey's, to understand that they do, in fact, block port 2-5 to my server, that they actually redirect it to their email servers. ONly way I can get unfiltered access for any and all ports would be bus9iness class and I too will not pay more for less speeds only to get my ports open.

    All of the offerings that I have found for hosted Windows servers are WAY over the cost of Linuix servers, of course, sim[;y becuase of the cost of the license for the Windows OS licensing.


    Steven


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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Misfit on Wed Sep 28 08:04:00 2016
    Misfit wrote to All <=-

    Turns out I'd be paying more to go from 300/40 to some 60/15 malarky. Really? Paying MORE for LESS simply because it is "business class".

    You're paying for them to staff at the level that it takes to provide
    the level of service they used to provide to everyone. :(

    Guess they know how to make money. I don't mind spending more, but that
    is rediculous. What happended to the good 'ol days when you could just slip someone at your ISP a few bucks for a static IP and they'd also
    give you reverse DNS because they were "cool like that".

    There are DSL resellers in my area who provide incredible service, but
    they're limited by the bandwidth that DSL offers.

    I've got some crazy 120/20 plan with Comcast, but I seriously consider
    a 6/2 DSL with static IP, reverse DNS, secondary DNS and MX, and
    incredible customer service. Raw Bandwidth was who I used in the early
    2000s, and I *never* had to talk to Bell. And it never went down.


    Only other option where is AT&T U-Verse and not about to get DSL
    garbage. Besides, I'm sure their (AT&T) "corporatism" is worse than
    Cox.


    AT&T service is mind-manglingly stupid. I ported a cell number out of my company from AT&T and wanted to port it to Cricket Wireless (a
    subsidiary of AT&T).

    I had to sign up for an AT&T plan in order to port it out. One day
    worth of service with fees was $13.06. I paid it, and ported my number
    out. I then got a bill for $13.06. I paid it. I got a nastygram
    telling me that my service has been disconnected for lack of payment,
    and by the way, here are all of the credit plans we have.

    I then got another bill for $13.06, and 2 bills for $0.00 thereafter.

    I hope it cost them more than $13.06 to have me on their network for a
    day.





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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Misfit on Wed Sep 28 08:07:00 2016
    Misfit wrote to Hemo <=-

    wouldn't be surpised if they tried to charge extra for it. Actually, I remember in the late 80's, Cincinnati Bell DID try to do something similar: wanting to charge BBS owners more for their lines that they
    had their boards on.


    Any time a group house had more than 3 lines, Pac Bell would want you
    to justify that you weren't running a business.

    Annoying since the only difference between a business POTS line and a
    home POTS line is how they charge it. You don't get any better
    service, the line isn't any cleaner, you don't get any better sound on
    a business line.

    Whenever I'd complain about noise on my business lines, my sale rep
    would want to sell me a "conditioned" line. I'd laugh him off the line
    and tell him to roll a truck, and invariably they'd find a squirrel
    making a home in the can down the street or water in one of the
    overheads.




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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Steven Sheeley on Wed Sep 28 11:15:17 2016
    Re: ISP's
    By: Steven Sheeley to Mro on Wed Sep 28 2016 07:42 am


    IF I could find a hosting service where I could have a Win7 32Bit instance running, I'd move the BBS over ina heart beat simply becuase I too suffer at the hands of my ISP.

    Ditto. I've thought about running a Linux virtual server and running the Windows BBS in Virtualbox, but that seems a little silly.

    My only 16 bit holdovers are games, so I might bite the bullet and run it on a 64 bit system. Most games are better hosted via CoA or BBSLink now since they have more of a population of players than my local games.

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  • From Misfit@VERT/EMERALD to Vk3jed on Wed Sep 28 13:53:53 2016
    Re: Re: ISP's
    By: Vk3jed to Misfit on Wed Sep 28 2016 01:17 pm


    Depends on your ISP. Mine only charges $10/month for
    too. #3 is provided free (user control of the filteri
    here (limited by DSL here, not policy).

    You're not in the US, so I'm not surprised. I'm sure you get better cell service also! We are so backeards here in the US...

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Misfit on Wed Sep 28 15:47:57 2016
    Re: ISP's
    By: Misfit to Hemo on Tue Sep 27 2016 10:33 pm

    SMDH. I'm not surprised. Pure "Gordon Gekko"-style greed. My apartment balcony overlooks our pool, so I have an open captive portal outdoor wifi for anyone that wants to use it.

    Back in the 2000s, I got a couple of routers from FON with a guest VLAN. You could use FON service elsewhere if you shared yours, or pay by the hour if you didn't. I got my first WRT54G, their branded FON router, and a FONtenna, a directional Wifi antenna with a 6 foot lead.

    I should break it out and see what I can find. :)

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  • From Steven Sheeley@VERT/INFINITY to Poindexter Fortran on Wed Sep 28 20:18:37 2016
    Hello Poindexter!

    28 Sep 16 11:15, you wrote to me:

    @h@bRe@n@b: @h@cISP's
    @bBy@n@b: @h@cSteven Sheeley @bto @cMro @bon @cWed Sep 28 2016 07:42 am@n


    IF I could find a hosting service where I could have a Win7 32Bit
    instance running, I'd move the BBS over ina heart beat simply
    becuase I too suffer at the hands of my ISP.

    Ditto. I've thought about running a Linux virtual server and running
    the Windows BBS in Virtualbox, but that seems a little silly.

    My only 16 bit holdovers are games, so I might bite the bullet and run
    it on a 64 bit system. Most games are better hosted via CoA or BBSLink
    now since they have more of a population of players than my local
    games.
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    HOw well does CoA (Never heard of them) or BBSLin work? Do they appear as your BBS or is it apparent that they are being played elsewhere? DO the support InterBBS leagues?

    Steven


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Misfit on Thu Sep 29 12:04:00 2016
    Misfit wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    You're not in the US, so I'm not surprised. I'm sure you get better
    cell service also! We are so backeards here in the US...

    That is hit and miss here, large areas and low population density don't help. Good here in town and on the major highways but can be iffy elsewhere.


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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Steven Sheeley on Thu Sep 29 00:15:24 2016
    Re: ISP's
    By: Steven Sheeley to Poindexter Fortran on Wed Sep 28 2016 08:18 pm

    HOw well does CoA (Never heard of them) or BBSLin work? Do they appear as your BBS or is it apparent that they are being played elsewhere? DO the support InterBBS leagues?

    They both host the games on their servers, and you have a menu entry that allows you to rlogin to their server.

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  • From Neozeed@VERT to Mro on Thu Sep 29 02:38:24 2016
    Re: ISP's
    By: Mro to Misfit on Tue Sep 27 2016 09:06 pm

    how much are you willing to spend to rent a server?

    I spend $20 USD for an old Xeon... they have stuff starting at $16.. It's nice to let things run at 100% CPU without worrying about being banned.

    https://joesdatacenter.com/dedicated-server-packages/

    I have no professional affilication with them, but I'm just a happy customer.

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  • From Neozeed@VERT to Steven Sheeley on Thu Sep 29 02:44:00 2016
    Re: ISP's
    By: Steven Sheeley to Mro on Wed Sep 28 2016 07:42 am

    IF I could find a hosting service where I could have a Win7 32Bit instance running, I'd move the BBS over ina heart beat simply becuase I too suffer at the hands of my ISP.

    Since I rent a server for $20 a month, I had them put Linux on it, and via KVM, I run Windows server 2003, NT 4.0 (I'm old) and Xp x64 for a friend, and a bunch of Linux VM's.

    I'm pretty sure they will even install VMWare ESX....

    It can be done.

    My BBS is a Qemu user process, with OS/2 installed. It's good enough for me, and it's ease of portability has let me move it around a bunch of times as providers either flake out, change their minds, or I see better pricing so I can just repoint the DNS, copy the hard disk data files, and the Qemu binary, and fire it up on the new host.

    I use Joe's data centre:

    https://joesdatacenter.com/dedicated-server-packages/

    I'd highly recommend them, or at least I haven't had any issues the last few months, and their prices are crazy cheap on the dedicated side.

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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to Steven Sheeley on Thu Sep 29 08:33:35 2016
    Re: ISP's
    By: Steven Sheeley to Poindexter Fortran on Wed Sep 28 2016 08:18 pm

    HOw well does CoA (Never heard of them) or BBSLin work? Do they appear as your BBS or is it apparent that they are being played elsewhere? DO the support InterBBS leagues?

    CoA (CenterofAwareness.net) has a great system, Basically you just specify your BBS id and special pw in one of your Synchronet .INIs and next time you run Synchronet it pulls in the latest files for CoA, adds any message bases and Door game links to your BBS (automatically) and syncs your BBS with all the messages. It's the easiest othernet i've ever had to configure.

    All the games are either .js games that save the high score tables to one central location, or rlogin's to one location. No iBBS setup required.

    Most of the games just appear as they should, but there are more players. I think if you use the same handle on different boards you'll play the same game, which I guess could be used for nefarious purposes, but then again, we're talking BBS door games.

    -A.

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Poindexter Fortran on Thu Sep 29 12:40:12 2016
    Ditto. I've thought about running a Linux virtual server and running the Windows BBS in Virtualbox, but that seems a little silly.

    My only 16 bit holdovers are games, so I might bite the bullet and run
    it
    on a 64 bit system. Most games are better hosted via CoA or BBSLink now since they have more of a population of players than my local games.

    Well my setup is almost like that. It's virtualized. When I restarted my
    bbs a couples of years ago. It was on a leftover p4 all-in-one netvista
    this thing was struggling with windows xp with its 256 mb of ram. So I went
    the Linux route, Ubuntu with no gui(even kubuntu was hard on it) performed excellently, so for a while it ran like that.

    Then I ended up having a core-2-duo doing nothing. I've had heard of
    Proxmox VE. Could be fun to have as a mini lab where I could run multiple vm's and try different stuff in parallel. So I ended up using clonezilla to image
    my old ibm and restore it in a vm inside my server. It worked extremely well.

    So when i wanted to revive my tradewars twgs server licence i had from my old bbs in the 2000's I've just created a windows xp vm and installed it on it. to link it synchronet it's done through rlogin anyway even if the bbs was running under windows. So I've rlogin to the ip of the virtual windows box. Promox enable each vm to have its on virtual nic card with it's on mac address, so it was super easy from the router to manage it and for all the vm to be visible
    in my network and to open the port to the outside world on the specific port i want.

    Now that proxmox setup allways have running the bbs vm, the twgs one, a linux lamp server and a ubuntu desktop and a kali ready to be firedup.

    I still have decent performance and room to build other vm when i want to test stuff. For example my bbs used to be on Ubuntu 14 lte. when I wanted
    to check how bad it would be to switch to 16 LTE i've just cloned the vm
    and updated that, when i was happy with the upgrade I just flipped the ips. just had to not perform. It's fun because I could roll back in seconds if i messed up. wish i did once.

    I really recommend it. Might be a learning curve for some, but it gives so
    much flexibility.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Steven Sheeley on Thu Sep 29 21:24:06 2016
    Re: ISP's
    By: Steven Sheeley to Mro on Wed Sep 28 2016 07:42 am

    how much are you willing to spend to rent a server?

    I currently run a webserver at DigitalOcean and I love thier service. My issue is running the BBS on Linux, never done it and don't know if I want
    to learn that aspect yet. I pay approx $30 USD per month for the umlimited


    for a little bit more you can get a better server with more storage space and memory with ovh.

    i'm not sure if they allow you to upload windows images. i havent had to redo my server in years. i do know they have images you can pick from.

    you can also install vm software on the server and run windows vms.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Steven Sheeley on Thu Sep 29 21:27:00 2016
    Re: ISP's
    By: Steven Sheeley to Poindexter Fortran on Wed Sep 28 2016 08:18 pm

    HOw well does CoA (Never heard of them) or BBSLin work? Do they appear as your BBS or is it apparent that they are being played elsewhere? DO the support InterBBS leagues?


    i checked them out and they have very low activity. check them out for yourself, though. i think my personal games have more activity and my userbase has dwindled.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Neozeed on Thu Sep 29 21:28:39 2016
    Re: ISP's
    By: Neozeed to Mro on Thu Sep 29 2016 02:38 am

    Re: ISP's
    By: Mro to Misfit on Tue Sep 27 2016 09:06 pm

    how much are you willing to spend to rent a server?

    I spend $20 USD for an old Xeon... they have stuff starting at $16.. It's nice to let things run at 100% CPU without worrying about being banned.

    https://joesdatacenter.com/dedicated-server-packages/

    I have no professional affilication with them, but I'm just a happy customer.


    joes datacenter is really nice but i think they restrict irc and a few other things. they were going to waive it for me or discuss it, but i didnt want them to give me any special treatment.
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  • From KenDB3@VERT/KD3NET to Poindexter Fortran on Fri Sep 30 00:46:13 2016
    Misfit wrote to All <=-

    Turns out I'd be paying more to go from 300/40 to some 60/15 malarky. Really? Paying MORE for LESS simply because it is "business class".

    You're paying for them to staff at the level that it takes to provide
    the level of service they used to provide to everyone. :(


    Actually the majority of the cost is because the Business class services have 24/7 service technicians. If your connection goes hard down, tech support can page a field tech, even at midnight on a holiday. The tech might have other jobs before yours, but if you are willing to wait, then you'll get your On-Call tech that night.

    Also, the phone tech support you talk to on the business side is trained to a higher level than residential is.

    All that factors into the cost, along with open ports and ability to get a Static IP. You start to see it when you compare Business class services to each other versus comparing them to residential.

    ~KenDB3

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  • From Misfit@VERT/EMERALD to All on Fri Sep 30 03:38:09 2016
    Re: ISP's
    By: Neozeed to Mro on Thu Sep 29 2016 02:38 am

    This is in reference to the discussion about virtual servers. If you haven't already, check out Amazon's EC2. You can get a year free. I've been playing with a Linux "instance" and it works decently. They will also allow you to have port 25 on request...

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  • From Sampsa@VERT/B4BBS to Steven Sheeley on Sat Oct 1 03:49:00 2016
    Steven Sheeley wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-

    HOw well does CoA (Never heard of them) or BBSLin work? Do they appear
    as your BBS or is it apparent that they are being played elsewhere? DO
    the support InterBBS leagues?

    Never heard of CoA myself but am on BBSlink and DoorParty and they
    both work very smoothly - in fact I've replaced my door menu with
    some JS code (Synchronet 3.16) that asks the user which server they
    want to connect to and it's all transparent from that point onwards.

    I basically like the fact that there are FAR more players for
    multi-player games since the servers concentrate players from 30-40
    BBSes in one place and I don't have to bother with the hassle of
    setting up my own doors (with BBSlink and DoorParty you get access
    to roughly 170 or so doors).

    I even built a gateway for WorldGroup/MajorBBS systems (any system
    that can script a telnet session so my VAXcluster is using this with
    Kermit) to connect to these via one of my BBS's access codes to both
    BBSlink and DoorParty.

    Drop me an email at admin@uuhec.net and I'll put you in touch with
    the guys who run BBSlink and DoorParty and if you're running Synchro
    I can give you the code needed to connect - it's really trivial stuff.

    PS: Who are CoA?


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  • From Sampsa@VERT/B4BBS to Android8675 on Sat Oct 1 03:51:00 2016
    Android8675 wrote to Steven Sheeley <=-

    Most of the games just appear as they should, but there are more
    players. I think if you use the same handle on different boards you'll play the same game, which I guess could be used for nefarious purposes, but then again, we're talking BBS door games.

    This isn't an issue on BBSlink or DoorParty, the origin BBS is part of your username on the door server so your handle will be different if you connect from another BBS.

    Sampsa


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    --- MultiMail/Darwin v0.49
    ■ Synchronet ■ B4BBS = London, England - b4bbs.sampsa.com:2323 (telnet) or 2222 (ssh)
  • From Sampsa@VERT/B4BBS to Android8675 on Sat Oct 1 03:58:00 2016
    Android8675 wrote to Steven Sheeley <=-

    HOw well does CoA (Never heard of them) or BBSLin work? Do they appear as your BBS or is it apparent that they are being played elsewhere? DO the support InterBBS leagues?

    CoA (CenterofAwareness.net) has a great system, Basically you just
    specify your BBS id and special pw in one of your Synchronet .INIs and next time you run Synchronet it pulls in the latest files for CoA, adds any message bases and Door game links to your BBS (automatically) and syncs your BBS with all the messages. It's the easiest othernet i've
    ever had to configure.

    Ah, this would be a problem for me since I don't use the regular door menu anymore, I just offer a choice to connect to either DoorParty or BBSlink.

    BBSlink let's you configure doors as either individual doors or your system
    or you can connect to their menu.

    I just connect straight to their door menu.

    Sampsa


    ... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!
    --- MultiMail/Darwin v0.49
    ■ Synchronet ■ B4BBS = London, England - b4bbs.sampsa.com:2323 (telnet) or 2222 (ssh)
  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Sampsa on Fri Sep 30 21:47:32 2016
    Re: Re: ISP's
    By: Sampsa to Steven Sheeley on Sat Oct 01 2016 03:49 am

    PS: Who are CoA?

    http://centerofawareness.net

    About the Center of Awareness
    The Center of Awareness BBS Alliance is a network of Synchronet bulletin board systems. Our focus is on real-time inter-BBS communication that integrates with Synchronet's built-in features. We offer a suite of modern and classic BBS games that do not rely on typical inter-BBS kludges, as well as a message network, instant messaging and more.

    Center of Awareness Features
    Our installer makes it quick and easy to configure your BBS for COA access. Once setup is complete, our games & message areas will be present on your BBS, and a background service will keep your system in sync with the rest of the network.

    Our message network doesn't rely on typical QWK or FTN methods, and requires no configuration on the part of the joining sysop. As soon as a message is posted, it is delivered to every system on the network. If your BBS is offline when new messages are posted, it will pick them up the next time it connects.

    We offer helper scripts to show a network-wide "who's online" list, and to allow your users to send instant messages to other online users. Instant messages are delivered using Synchronet's built-in inter-node messaging features, and as such will work with most any command shell.

    Center of Awareness Games
    Of course, what most people are interested in are the games. Here's a list of what we currently offer, which will be configured automatically on your system when you join:

    Barren Realms Elite
    Bubble Boggle
    DiceWarz 2
    Falcon's Eye
    FatFish
    Global War
    Kannons and Katapults
    LORD
    Maze Race
    Planets: TEOS
    Synchronetris
    The Pit
    Thirstyville
    Top Rank Boxing
    Uberblox
    Usurper
    Classic (DOS) door games are accessed via a transparent connection to a central gaming server, so that all users can play within the same "local" game. Only the user's alias is sent to the central gaming server, and a random password is automatically set for each new gaming session.

    We're happy to add more games at the request of our members, provided that there is sufficient interest and that the software is stable.

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ realitycheckBBS -- http://realitycheckBBS.org
  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to Sampsa on Sat Oct 1 03:42:43 2016
    This isn't an issue on BBSlink or DoorParty, the origin BBS is part of your username on the door server so your handle will be different if you connect from another BBS.

    I contemplated doing it this way, but this has (minor) issues of its own. If it ever becomes a problem, we'll adjust. Worst case right now, somebody with the same name as you steals your turn in a game and / or says something rude.

    ---
    echicken
    electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com - 416-273-7230
    ■ Synchronet ■ electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com
  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to Poindexter Fortran on Sat Oct 1 03:45:08 2016
    Our installer makes it quick and easy to configure your BBS for COA access.

    Unfortunately the installer is a bit fucked right now and I haven't bothered to fix it. :D

    (Those whose sign-up requests have been ignored, this is usually why.)

    ---
    echicken
    electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com - 416-273-7230
    ■ Synchronet ■ electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com
  • From Sampsa@VERT/B4BBS to Poindexter Fortran on Sat Oct 1 19:31:00 2016
    Poindexter Fortran wrote to Sampsa <=-

    PS: Who are CoA?

    http://centerofawareness.net

    About the Center of Awareness
    The Center of Awareness BBS Alliance is a network of Synchronet
    bulletin board systems. Our focus is on real-time inter-BBS
    communication that integrates with Synchronet's built-in features. We offer a suite of modern and classic BBS games that do not rely on
    typical inter-BBS kludges, as well as a message network, instant
    messaging and more.

    I might join them for the message network / chat / instant messaging, not
    sure about the doors (mind you adding the door menu back in wouldn't be
    rocket surgery)..

    Sampsa


    ... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!
    --- MultiMail/Darwin v0.49
    ■ Synchronet ■ B4BBS = London, England - b4bbs.sampsa.com:2323 (telnet) or 2222 (ssh)
  • From Sampsa@VERT/B4BBS to echicken on Sat Oct 1 19:35:00 2016
    echicken wrote to Sampsa <=-

    This isn't an issue on BBSlink or DoorParty, the origin BBS is part of your username on the door server so your handle will be different if you connect from another BBS.

    I contemplated doing it this way, but this has (minor) issues of its
    own. If it ever becomes a problem, we'll adjust. Worst case right
    now, somebody with the same name as you steals your turn in a game and
    / or says something rude.

    Sure - I don't run either of those, I just help out with scripting / porting stuff etc.

    Going to join CoA too, mostly for the IM/chat/message boards but will add
    the classic door menu back later..

    I hope this doesn't lead to a flood of like 1000 different door servers with huge fragmentation - then again setting these up takes a lot more effort than rolling a BBS and a few doors.

    The main reason I'm a big supporter of door servers is to centralise the user base which is rather thinly spread out these days.

    Sampsa


    ... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!
    --- MultiMail/Darwin v0.49
    ■ Synchronet ■ B4BBS = London, England - b4bbs.sampsa.com:2323 (telnet) or 2222 (ssh)
  • From Sampsa@VERT/B4BBS to echicken on Sat Oct 1 19:37:00 2016
    echicken wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-


    Our installer makes it quick and easy to configure your BBS for COA access.

    Unfortunately the installer is a bit fucked right now and I haven't bothered to fix it. :D

    (Those whose sign-up requests have been ignored, this is usually why.)

    OK, I'll wait for the installer to be fixed. BTW, try to make it 3.16 compatible, I'm not looking to upgrade for now :)

    Sampsa


    ... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!
    --- MultiMail/Darwin v0.49
    ■ Synchronet ■ B4BBS = London, England - b4bbs.sampsa.com:2323 (telnet) or 2222 (ssh)
  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to Sampsa on Sat Oct 1 14:45:56 2016
    OK, I'll wait for the installer to be fixed. BTW, try to make it 3.16 compatible, I'm not looking to upgrade for now :)

    It is. The note about running 'a recent development build of Synchronet' was written when the latest release was 3.15b and was already many years old. We rely on some capabilities that were added after that, I think. Notes re: requirements, etc. will be updated when it becomes necessary; it's irrelevant right now.

    ---
    echicken
    electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com - 416-273-7230
    ■ Synchronet ■ electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com
  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Poindexter Fortran on Sat Oct 1 22:18:00 2016
    Poindexter Fortran wrote to Sampsa <=-

    PS: Who are CoA?

    http://centerofawareness.net

    Sounds interesting. I should upgrade my Synchronet system and give it a try. Hast attempt failed with a compilation error, when I tried to upgrade to a development build.


    ... I may not be perfect, but parts of me are excellent.
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
    ■ Synchronet ■ Freeway BBS in Bendigo, Australia.
  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Sampsa on Sun Oct 2 08:13:00 2016
    Sampsa wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-

    I might join them for the message network / chat / instant messaging,
    not sure about the doors (mind you adding the door menu back in
    wouldn't be rocket surgery)..

    Yes, the messaging features are my main point of interest too, though I'm not averse to hosting the games for any users who might want to play (I'm not a gamer myself).


    ... A camel is a horse planned by committee
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
    ■ Synchronet ■ Freeway BBS in Bendigo, Australia.
  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Sampsa on Sun Oct 2 08:19:00 2016
    Sampsa wrote to echicken <=-

    Going to join CoA too, mostly for the IM/chat/message boards but will
    add the classic door menu back later..

    I plan to as well, once I've upgraded SBBS to 3.17

    I hope this doesn't lead to a flood of like 1000 different door servers with huge fragmentation - then again setting these up takes a lot more effort than rolling a BBS and a few doors.

    Yes, don't want a gazillion door servers, but a small number would allow for inter-server gaming (e.g. BRE "inter planetary ops").

    The main reason I'm a big supporter of door servers is to centralise
    the user base which is rather thinly spread out these days.

    Yes, that makes a lot of sense. Also, door servers are more likely to be run by people with a passion for door games, who can focus on that.


    ... Which way did they go!? I'm they're leader!!
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
    ■ Synchronet ■ Freeway BBS in Bendigo, Australia.
  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Sampsa on Sun Oct 2 08:20:00 2016
    Sampsa wrote to echicken <=-

    OK, I'll wait for the installer to be fixed. BTW, try to make it 3.16 compatible, I'm not looking to upgrade for now :)

    I tried to upgrade a while back and ran into some compilation issue. :( Haven't had a chance to try again.


    ... AAAAAAAA..... American Association Against Any And All Acronym Abuse
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
    ■ Synchronet ■ Freeway BBS in Bendigo, Australia.
  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to echicken on Sun Oct 2 08:23:00 2016
    echicken wrote to Sampsa <=-

    It is. The note about running 'a recent development build of
    Synchronet' was written when the latest release was 3.15b and was
    already many years old. We rely on some capabilities that were added after that, I think. Notes re: requirements, etc. will be updated when
    it becomes necessary; it's irrelevant right now.


    So, C0A will work with SBBS 3.16c then? If so, I'm going to send an application. :)


    ... Romulans, Ferengi, and Borgs. Oh My!!
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
    ■ Synchronet ■ Freeway BBS in Bendigo, Australia.
  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Sampsa on Sun Oct 2 09:04:34 2016
    Re: Re: ISP's
    By: Sampsa to Poindexter Fortran on Sat Oct 01 2016 07:31 pm

    I might join them for the message network / chat / instant messaging, not sure about the doors (mind you adding the door menu back in wouldn't be rocket surgery)..

    They do some interesting, cool non FTN networking stuff; I like hosted games in case I end up ever moving my BBS to a Linux system like I keep promising myself.

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ realitycheckBBS -- http://realitycheckBBS.org
  • From Knightmare@VERT/P99BBS to Sampsa on Sun Oct 2 12:45:50 2016
    Re: Re: ISP's
    By: Sampsa to echicken on Sat Oct 01 2016 07:37 pm


    SO... I guess we're all on hold till the installer is ready for prime-time?

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ Precinct 99 BBS -- p99bbs.homenet.org - Lewis Center, OH USA
  • From Hawke@VERT/LIVEWIRE to Misfit on Fri Oct 7 14:41:00 2016
    * In a message originally to All, Misfit said:

    Turns out I'd be paying more to go from 300/40 to some 60/15
    malarky. Really? Paying MORE for LESS simply because it is
    "business class". Guess they know how to make money. I don't mind
    spending more, but that is rediculous. What happended to the good
    'ol days when you could just slip someone at your ISP a few bucks
    for a static IP and they'd also give you reverse DNS because they
    were "cool like that".

    I hzve 25/25 Fiber and it works quite well.

    Only other option where is AT&T U-Verse and not about to get DSL
    garbage.

    I am connected to AT&T's Gigaspeed fiber and it's nice. I can get
    faster speeds, but this is the fastedt upstream at the lowest price.

    Besides, I'm sure their (AT&T) "corporatism" is worse than Cox.

    Youc an get lost in their callcenters but I have an 800# for priority
    support from the "office of the President" and you get stuff done when
    you call that number... but you really hae to have a documentable
    problem or they won't help you.

    Allen

    ... Bigamist: a heavy fog over Italy!

  • From Hawke@VERT/LIVEWIRE to Hemo on Fri Oct 7 14:55:00 2016
    * In a message originally to Misfit, Hemo said:

    Was thinking about switching my "Residential" Cox internet
    service over to "business class" internet service simply so
    could get:

    1. Static IP (To be fair, mine only changes once a year or
    so, but..) 2. Reverse DNS resolution 3. All ports open
    (including the, so-called, "coveted" port 25) 4. More UL BW
    (so I thought)

    I as in executive level support with Charter and Cox is set up similar
    to Charter. What most people don't realize is that the cable internet
    works on "Radio Freqency over Coax" that ties into a fiber hub (aka
    Node) not far from the location.

    While the business class and the residential class exist over the same
    lines and have the "same advertised" bandwidths, they are not at all
    the same, not even close.

    There are multiple bundles (or freqencies) that go through the coax
    lines. THe Business class internet operates on a sligtly different
    frequency on a different "bundle" so to say than the residential
    traffic. The Residential class internet can slow down due to net
    congestion. The business class traffic has priority and will always
    get priority routing over residential. Plus there are far fewer
    business class users than residential users.

    And statistics prove that unless you have a work at home radiologist
    business traffic often is in bursts and the lines are not as utilized
    as residential.

    The other freqencies on the line are telephone it's isolated from
    internet residential / business and video.

    Turns out I'd be paying more to go from 300/40 to some 60/15
    malarky. Really? Paying MORE for LESS simply because it is
    "business class". Guess they know how to make money. I don't
    mind spending more, but that is rediculous. What happended to
    the good 'ol days when you could just slip someone at your
    ISP a few bucks for a static IP and they'd also give you
    reverse DNS because they were "cool like that".

    What you pay for is a level of service... to be honest when a
    residential class customer loses service during a storm the attitude
    is we will fix it when we fix it.

    A business class customer will ALWAYS get restored FIRST over
    residential. If you are a resident that shares the same lines as a
    business class customer you will get fixed first. For instance we had
    a tornado in our Tennessee territory. Large subdivision was down and
    the residential class support was telling them it would be days before
    it was fixed.

    However there was a business in the center of the subdivision
    (actually the clubhouse / office / home owners association. That
    street was restored then the crews eft to take care of other
    businesses. You want to talk about MAD we had Rich people that lived
    there that thought they were priviledged. I took more supervisor
    calls when I was loaned off to residential class to help in the
    tornadio issues over that.

    And for those who call in saying I'm loosing tons of money on my ebay,
    mary-k, tupperware or whatever home based business the residential
    cable solution was to immediately explain that residential internet is
    an entertainment product not meant for business use. We would then
    transfer to business sales.

    Believe it or not when I left charter in 2012 the slowest thing they
    offered in most business areas was 100down by 4 up which was
    respectable then. We also sold it at $49.99 and static ip with
    wireless router was $10 more.

    We sold a shitload of wireless because poeple did not want to maintain
    security / firmware of the routers and wireless also gave them PRIORTY
    support.


    Time Warner cable does the exact same thing with their 'business
    class'. Even worse, if your building is in a 'business' district,
    you can not get the residnetial service, you must get the business
    service, triple the cost, 1/5 the service. Unless you can work
    out a deal with the guy across the street where it is residential
    to give you his WiFi password and point an antenna or two in your direction.

    It's all based on Zoning with charter. If you live in a building
    that's zoned commercial you are forced into commercial rates. If you
    live in a residential building you can have business or residential or
    a hybrid of BOTH. We were getting a lot of people who moved to
    commercial internet for their home security systems. It was really
    not that much more $39.99 for residential $49 for business.

    Time warners rates are a lot more expen$ive than charter. I still hae
    my finger on the pulse as I have many friends in upper management at
    charter. The prices will be cheaper... Just be patient it takes a
    while to switch.

    Allen

    ... Beware of the military-industrial complex.

  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Misfit on Fri Oct 7 16:19:44 2016
    Re: ISP's
    By: Misfit to Hemo on Tue Sep 27 2016 10:33 pm

    Re: ISP's
    By: Hemo to Misfit on Tue Sep 27 2016 08:06 pm

    Time Warner cable does the exact same thing with their 'business class'. Ev worse, if your building is in a 'business' district, you can not get the residnetial service, you must get the business service, triple the cost, 1/5 the service. Unless you can work out a deal with the guy across the street where it is residential to give you his WiFi password and point an antenna o two in your direction.


    SMDH. I'm not surprised. Pure "Gordon Gekko"-style greed. My apartment balcony overlooks our pool, so I have an open captive portal outdoor wifi for anyone that wants to use it. Cox gets wind of that, wouldn't be


    i'm on tw and this is not how they work in my state of wisconsin.
    business class is not triple the cost or any less service. it's actually more service.
    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From Hawke@VERT/LIVEWIRE to Misfit on Fri Oct 7 15:27:00 2016
    ... Frightfully nice.

    ---
    * Origin: LiveWire BBS -=*=- Louisville, KY -=*=- LiveWireBBS.com (1:2320/100)
  • From Hawke@VERT/LIVEWIRE to Misfit on Fri Oct 7 15:28:00 2016
    I have one already on Amazon's AWS/EC2. They lifted restrictions
    on port 25 (just requires a request) and I plan on moving my email
    to it. I'm currently using DirectNIC's servers for my email, but
    want to move it over as (after DirectNIC came under new ownership)
    it isn't always reliable...

    How much does this cost you and how hard was it to get it going?

    Allen

    ... Bush/Cheney '04: Thanks for not paying attention.

    ---
    * Origin: LiveWire BBS -=*=- Louisville, KY -=*=- LiveWireBBS.com (1:2320/100)
  • From Hemo@VERT/UJOINT to Mro on Fri Oct 7 22:15:35 2016
    Re: ISP's
    By: Mro to Misfit on Fri Oct 07 2016 04:19 pm


    i'm on tw and this is not how they work in my state of wisconsin.
    business class is not triple the cost or any less service. it's actually more service.

    I am also in Wisconsin and this is how I've learned TW did operate. Butler, WI, though a few years back... business cable was going to run me $169 a month, and residential in Menomonee Falls could be had for $49 a month. While business would be a static IP and higher upstream rates, the downstream rates were on par with residential tiers at the $49 service level. That was a lot of cash to get email back then.

    Now, residentail rates are much more expensive (and yes - faster speeds in both directions) than they were back when I had an office in Butler, so perhaps the business rates have changed since.

    ... Pohl's law: Nothing is so good that somebody, somewhere, will not hate it

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ - Running madly into the wind and screaming - bbs.ujoint.org
  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Hemo on Sat Oct 8 01:40:28 2016
    Hello Hemo!

    07 Oct 16 22:15, you wrote to Mro:


    i'm on tw and this is not how they work in my state of wisconsin.
    business class is not triple the cost or any less service. it's
    actually more service.

    I am also in Wisconsin and this is how I've learned TW did operate. Butler, WI, though a few years back... business cable was going to run
    me $169 a month, and residential in Menomonee Falls could be had for
    $49 a month. While business would be a static IP and higher upstream rates, the downstream rates were on par with residential tiers at the
    $49 service level. That was a lot of cash to get email back then.

    Now, residentail rates are much more expensive (and yes - faster
    speeds in both directions) than they were back when I had an office in Butler, so perhaps the business rates have changed since.


    I've had TWC here in Appleton since ~2000 or so (might have been a year earlier or later). I had a few issues in the beginning, but over the last 10 years or so it's been quite stable. In fact, my IP has not changed in the last 2 1/2 years. I have the "50/5" service plan which does cost me a fair chunk of money, but it is worth it.

    I just did a test at http://speedof.me and got the following:

    Download Speed: 67.97 Mbps
    Upload Speed: 6.76 Mbps

    They don't block any ports AFAIK (I haven't checked standard mail ports in a few years or so), and my connection very rarely drops. Considering I'm on my PC for 10-12 hours per day for work, I really couldn't ask for a better deal.

    and I have moved once over the past 10 years from one area of Appleton to another. No difference in service, everything was as stable before I moved as it is now, and I'm in a much newer subdivision.


    Mike


    ... Worth seeing? Yes, but not worth going to see.
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20160322
    ■ Synchronet ■ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.com
  • From Hemo@VERT/UJOINT to DaiTengu on Sat Oct 8 09:15:36 2016
    Re: ISP's
    By: DaiTengu to Hemo on Sat Oct 08 2016 01:40 am

    Hello Hemo!
    I've had TWC here in Appleton since ~2000 or so (might have been a year earlier or later). I had a few issues in the beginning, but over the last 10 years or so it's been quite stable. In fact, my IP has not changed in the last 2 1/2 years. I have the "50/5" service plan which does cost me a fair chunk of money, but it is worth it.

    I just did a test at http://speedof.me and got the following:

    Download Speed: 67.97 Mbps
    Upload Speed: 6.76 Mbps

    They don't block any ports AFAIK (I haven't checked standard mail ports in a few years or so), and my connection very rarely drops. Considering I'm on my PC for 10-12 hours per day for work, I really couldn't ask for a better deal.


    Yes, I do think TWC appears with better service in some areas. In Germantown, I can't really complain about much than the price. I haven't had the office in Butler for multiples of years, but the whole ordeal I went through with
    TWC there still brings up bile when I think of it.

    I ran speedtest on my home setup, where I only pay for to 20Mbps w/turbo service:
    Download: 26.92 Mbps
    Upload : 2.69 Mbps

    I agree, my local IP hasn't changed in I can't remember when, but I do also use ddns services, because as soon as you 'need' to connect from elsewhere, the IP would change.

    My employer pays for minimum tier services to enable me to work from home and stay connected to various vpn and voip services from the main office, and, being the finacially frugal person I am (read tightwad, cheap, stingy), I stay with the lowest tier service - essentially free services. I also think I couldn't get a much better deal now.

    --

    ... How do you tell when you're out of invisible ink?

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ - Running madly into the wind and screaming - bbs.ujoint.org
  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Hemo on Sat Oct 8 12:41:25 2016
    Re: ISP's
    By: Hemo to DaiTengu on Sat Oct 08 2016 09:15 am

    My employer pays for minimum tier services to enable me to work from home and stay connected to various vpn and voip services from the main office, and, being the finacially frugal person I am (read tightwad, cheap, stingy), I stay with the lowest tier service - essentially free services.

    How much internet does one person really need? I just checked my ISP's status page and they show me with 150 down and 10 up. While it's nice, a 6/1 DSL line with a provider that didn't block ports and didn't go down would probably do me just as well.

    Sticking with what work pays for sounds like a good plan. :)



    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ realitycheckBBS -- http://realitycheckBBS.org
  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Hemo on Sat Oct 8 20:15:09 2016
    Re: ISP's
    By: Hemo to Mro on Fri Oct 07 2016 10:15 pm


    Now, residentail rates are much more expensive (and yes - faster speeds in both directions) than they were back when I had an office in Butler, so perhaps the business rates have changed since.


    basically with timewarner , if it's internet or cable tv service or both... everyone is paying a different rate. you can complain each year and threaten to drop them or downgrade your service and they put you on a yearly promo.

    i did this every year for the past six or so years.

    right now i'm on turbo with basic cable [dont watch it] and the phone for 120 ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to DaiTengu on Sat Oct 8 20:19:07 2016
    Re: ISP's
    By: DaiTengu to Hemo on Sat Oct 08 2016 01:40 am

    I've had TWC here in Appleton since ~2000 or so (might have been a year earlier or later). I had a few issues in the beginning, but over the last
    10 years or so it's been quite stable. In fact, my IP has not changed in the last 2 1/2 years. I have the "50/5" service plan which does cost me a fair chunk of money, but it is worth it.

    I just did a test at http://speedof.me and got the following:

    Download Speed: 67.97 Mbps
    Upload Speed: 6.76 Mbps

    They don't block any ports AFAIK (I haven't checked standard mail ports in
    a few years or so), and my connection very rarely drops. Considering I'm on my PC for 10-12 hours per day for work, I really couldn't ask for a better


    tw doesnt care what you do just as long as you arent using residental for business.

    i had some jerkoff try to report me and i explained that i was
    running a bbs and doing all this as a hobby and providing free services that take no bandwidth. they wrote a note on my acct so this wouldnt happen again.

    overall tw has been pretty good to me aside from the price fluxuations.

    so now they are owned/merged with charter so after a few years there's going to be some bullshit.
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    ■ Synchronet ■ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From Knightmare@VERT/P99BBS to Mro on Sat Oct 8 22:12:53 2016
    Re: ISP's
    By: Mro to Misfit on Fri Oct 07 2016 04:19 pm

    Re: ISP's
    By: Misfit to Hemo on Tue Sep 27 2016 10:33 pm

    Re: ISP's
    By: Hemo to Misfit on Tue Sep 27 2016 08:06 pm

    Time Warner cable does the exact same thing with their 'business class'. Ev worse, if your building is in a 'business' district, you can not get the residnetial service, you must get the business service, triple the cost, 1/5 the service. Unless you can work out a deal with the guy across the street where it is residential to give you his WiFi password and point an antenna o two in your direction.


    SMDH. I'm not surprised. Pure "Gordon Gekko"-style greed. My apartment balcony overlooks our pool, so I have an open captive portal outdoor wifi for anyone that wants to use it. Cox gets wind of that, wouldn't be


    i'm on tw and this is not how they work in my state of wisconsin.
    business class is not triple the cost or any less service. it's actually more service.

    I also have to call shenanighans on this as well. As a former Tier III tech in Columbus OH, this is NOT the case either. I'd be hard pressed to find out what area you're saying the price is THAT high. I still have _executive_ connections and I'm sure they would love to know this area you're talking about. Perhaps an audit is in order?

    Time Warner Cable has NEVER gouged a customer; Resi or BC, and that's a fact from where I'm standing.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Mro on Sat Oct 8 21:44:22 2016
    Hello Mro!

    08 Oct 16 20:15, you wrote to Hemo:

    basically with timewarner , if it's internet or cable tv service or both... everyone is paying a different rate. you can complain each
    year and threaten to drop them or downgrade your service and they put
    you on a yearly promo.

    i did this every year for the past six or so years.

    right now i'm on turbo with basic cable [dont watch it] and the phone
    for 120


    I do the same thing. I have pretty much the top tier for everything. THe landline isn't used, I actually have it hooked up to a modem for the BBS. I have no idea if it works or not, as I don't have anyone to test it by calling. :)

    I have successfully called out with it.

    I'm paying about $220 a month for their top-tier internet, The high-end cable package with HBO & Epix, and phone service. Along with 2 DVRs and a cablecard.



    Mike


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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to DaiTengu on Mon Oct 10 00:15:32 2016
    Re: ISP's
    By: DaiTengu to Mro on Sat Oct 08 2016 09:44 pm

    I'm paying about $220 a month for their top-tier internet, The high-end cable package with HBO & Epix, and phone service. Along with 2 DVRs and a cablecard.


    i'm trying to get my gf to just drop everything but internet.
    i used to pay 45 for turbo and nothing else.

    she likes to watch random shit tv and have the tv turned up full blast for no reason,though.


    i think 220 is wayyy too much.
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  • From Hemo@VERT/UJOINT to Mro on Mon Oct 10 08:26:29 2016
    Re: ISP's
    By: Mro to DaiTengu on Mon Oct 10 2016 12:15 am

    Re: ISP's
    i'm trying to get my gf to just drop everything but internet.
    i used to pay 45 for turbo and nothing else.

    I was able to do this and go to antenna TV only, but it's only a handful of channels. standard Internet with turbo is running 74 a month here from tw. they keep telling me I can can get tv and cable bundled and only pay 89 for 12 months, and I tell them I want internet for 50 and they go away again.

    she likes to watch random shit tv and have the tv turned up full blast for no reason,though.

    same with the wife. TV is on constantly, vudo netflix and antenna tv. So many re-runs, sometimes if it's a show she's seen recently, she leaves the room, but leaves the TV on, nobody else is watching. The logic appears to be 'so I know when the show is over and can come back to watch something else'

    ... There are always alternatives. Spock, The Galileo Seven, stardate 2822.3.

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  • From Misfit@VERT/EMERALD to Hemo on Sat Oct 15 21:28:30 2016
    Re: ISP's
    By: Hemo to Mro on Mon Oct 10 2016 08:26 am

    Re: ISP's
    i'm trying to get my gf to just drop everything but internet.
    i used to pay 45 for turbo and nothing else.

    I was able to do this and go to antenna TV only, but it's only a handful of channels. standard Internet with turbo is running 74 a month here from tw. t
    hey

    That is exactly what I did about four years ago; dropped everything except the highest tier internet I could get. Currently 300/30. I just get local channels OTA with HDHomeRun tuners (have two boxes, each has two tuners). Mac Mini serves as a "DVR". I use a plethora of software such as EyeTV, iVI, Plex, Kodi, MythTV, bash scripts tying it all together, etc. Long story short: I can check/search what is coming on my iPhone, schedule it to be recorded, it gets recorded, converted to .m4v automatically after recorded, I get iMessaged that it is ready, and it waiting nice and pretty to be played on one of the AppleTV boxes. (Used to have it setup to email me, but just changed it to iMessage other day). Also have Raspberry Pi's running Kodi in the mix. It all works great. I can stream live or recorded stuff remotely over LTE also. The HDHR tuners are nice. Thing is, I think I got more entertainent just setting everything up than actually using it. lol. Now that it is all setup, the content and quality of TV programming these days juust ... well ... sucks!


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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to MISFIT on Thu Oct 20 02:23:00 2016
    MISFIT wrote to HEMO <=-

    That is exactly what I did about four years ago; dropped everything
    except the highest tier internet I could get. Currently 300/30. I
    just get local channels OTA with HDHomeRun tuners (have two boxes, each has two tuners). Mac Mini serves as a "DVR". I use a plethora of
    software such as EyeTV, iVI, Plex, Kodi, MythTV, bash scripts tying it
    all together, etc. Long story short: I can check/search what is coming
    on my iPhone, schedule it to be recorded, it gets recorded, converted
    to .m4v automatically after recorded, I get iMessaged that it is ready, and it waiting nice and pretty to be played on one of the AppleTV
    boxes. (Used to have it setup to email me, but just changed it to
    iMessage other day). Also have Raspberry Pi's running Kodi in the mix.
    It all works great. I can stream live or recorded stuff remotely over LTE also. The HDHR tuners are nice. Thing is, I think I got more entertainent just setting everything up than actually using it. lol.
    Now that it is all setup, the content and quality of TV programming
    these days juust ... well ... sucks!

    Very interesting!

    We don't watch much television, so I just buy the shows that we just don't
    want to wait for Netflix. :-)


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