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  • Anyone Still Use Dial-up?

    From Vectorgamer@VERT/CAPSHRIL to All on Mon Jul 21 11:45:58 2014
    We still use dial-up at work as a means to console in to our networking equipment when the WAN/Internet goes down or if the equipment crashes. I don't see us ever getting rid of our modem lines for this purpose.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vectorgamer on Mon Jul 21 12:40:01 2014
    We still use dial-up at work as a means to console in to our networking equipment when the WAN/Internet goes down or if the equipment crashes. I don't see us ever getting rid of our modem lines for this purpose.

    I've never known of anyone using a dial-up modem in many years. Even where I work, I could imagine someone setting up modem lines for the purpose you describe, but we don't use dial-up modems at work.

    Nightfox

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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to Vectorgamer on Tue Jul 22 09:54:36 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Vectorgamer to All on Mon Jul 21 2014 11:45 am

    We still use dial-up at work as a means to console in to our networking equipment when the WAN/Internet goes down or if the equipment crashes. I don't see us ever getting rid of our modem lines for this purpose.

    I bought a USR v.everything off ebay for like $25 bucks (got it for a steal, thought it would be DOA, and it was until I realized the RS232 cable was a null cable), I have it on my desk, but the phone line in my house doesn't run up to my computer. Being lazy I'm waiting to get everything setup correctly, but I'm planning to setup the USR to answer BBS calls and take faxes. I may even go as far to get a second phone number and use unique rings on the line. We'll see.


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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vectorgamer on Thu Jul 24 00:35:36 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Vectorgamer to All on Mon Jul 21 2014 11:45 am

    We still use dial-up at work as a means to console in to our networking equipment when the WAN/Internet goes down or if the equipment crashes. I don't see us ever getting rid of our modem lines for this purpose.


    there's better ways to doing that than POTS.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Android8675 on Thu Jul 24 00:41:25 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Android8675 to Vectorgamer on Tue Jul 22 2014 09:54 am

    was a null cable), I have it on my desk, but the phone line in my house doesn't run up to my computer. Being lazy I'm waiting to get everything setup correctly, but I'm planning to setup the USR to answer BBS calls and take faxes. I may even go as far to get a second phone number and use
    unique rings on the line. We'll see.


    i've been lucky enough to have a guy setup a dialup to telnet forwarder for me. i get 2 dialup callers!
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  • From Mr. Cool@VERT/RETROARC to Vectorgamer on Thu Jul 24 12:52:49 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Vectorgamer to All on Mon Jul 21 2014 11:45 am

    We still use dial-up at work as a means to console in to our networking equipment when the WAN/Internet goes down or if the equipment crashes. I don see us ever getting rid of our modem lines for this purpose.


    I had a dial-up account up until a year or two ago, but I got rid of it after we got rid of the landline.


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  • From Froggyme@VERT/LILLYPAD to Nightfox on Fri Jul 25 00:15:19 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Nightfox to Vectorgamer on Mon Jul 21 2014 12:40 pm

    We still use dial-up at work as a means to console in to our
    networking equipment when the WAN/Internet goes down or if the
    equipment crashes. I don't see us ever getting rid of our modem lines
    for this purpose.

    I've never known of anyone using a dial-up modem in many years. Even where I work, I could imagine someone setting up modem lines for the purpose you describe, but we don't use dial-up modems at work.

    There are some boards with dial-up lines; eg The Hidden Reef, a TI-99/4A board, and Heatwave, a TI board as well.

    Until recently, my parents still had dial-up Internet, as they live in the boondocks. They finally got satelite Internet, but prior to that, I'm glad my laptop has a built in modem, so I could plug into the phone-jack and still get onto the net! And isn't it ironic: a "modern" media-delivery device of a laptop would have been the worthless archaic device with no networking capabilities in that situation, while my older laptop was futuristically surfing the web.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Froggyme on Fri Jul 25 07:36:55 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Froggyme to Nightfox on Fri Jul 25 2014 00:15:19

    Until recently, my parents still had dial-up Internet, as they live in
    the boondocks. They finally got satelite Internet, but prior to that,
    I'm glad my laptop has a built in modem, so I could plug into the phone-jack and still get onto the net! And isn't it ironic: a "modern" media-delivery device of a laptop would have been the worthless archaic device with no networking capabilities in that situation, while my older laptop was futuristically surfing the web.

    Yeah, I suppose a modem can still be useful in some situations. It seems that most tech manufacturers don't consider those who live in very small rural areas who might not have access to broadband internet. Another example I can think of is that Microsoft and Apple make huge software updates that would take hours to download on a dialup connection.

    Nightfox

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  • From Hustler@VERT/TIME to Nightfox on Fri Jul 25 10:02:22 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Nightfox to Froggyme on Fri Jul 25 2014 07:36 am

    Yeah, I suppose a modem can still be useful in some situations. It seems th
    at
    most tech manufacturers don't consider those who live in very small rural ar
    eas
    who might not have access to broadband internet. Another example I can thin
    k
    of is that Microsoft and Apple make huge software updates that would take ho
    urs
    to download on a dialup connection.


    I dunno. 2 years ago the only way I could get online was via dial-up. It was out in the "sticks" and they were just starting to bring in cable and fiber to the area. I could have opened a verizon 4G service for $120.00 a month for 2G of data but I was happy just to get online from my phone line. As a matter of fact is the reason I started using BBS's again. The web is slow over a landline but using a BBS is very tolerable. Just thought I'd add my 2 cents. ;-)

    HusTer


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  • From Vectorgamer@VERT/CAPSHRIL to Mro on Fri Jul 25 11:07:53 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Mro to Vectorgamer on Thu Jul 24 2014 12:35 am

    We still use dial-up at work as a means to console in to our
    networking equipment when the WAN/Internet goes down or if the
    equipment crashes. I don't see us ever getting rid of our modem lines
    for this purpose.


    there's better ways to doing that than POTS.

    Please elaborate

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vectorgamer on Fri Jul 25 18:05:14 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Vectorgamer to Mro on Fri Jul 25 2014 11:07 am

    We still use dial-up at work as a means to console in to our
    networking equipment when the WAN/Internet goes down or if the
    equipment crashes. I don't see us ever getting rid of our modem lines
    for this purpose.


    there's better ways to doing that than POTS.

    Please elaborate


    almost the entire planet does not rely on using dialup to access their network settings during equiptment failures.
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  • From Vshadow@VERT to Mro on Sat Jul 26 00:36:57 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Mro to Vectorgamer on Fri Jul 25 2014 06:05 pm

    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Vectorgamer to Mro on Fri Jul 25 2014 11:07 am

    We still use dial-up at work as a means to console in to our
    networking equipment when the WAN/Internet goes down or if the
    equipment crashes. I don't see us ever getting rid of our modem lines
    for this purpose.


    there's better ways to doing that than POTS.

    Please elaborate


    almost the entire planet does not rely on using dialup to access their netwo settings during equiptment failures.


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  • From Froggyme@VERT/LILLYPAD to Mro on Sun Jul 27 23:04:29 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Mro to Vectorgamer on Fri Jul 25 2014 06:05 pm

    We still use dial-up at work as a means to console in to our
    networking equipment when the WAN/Internet goes down or if the
    equipment crashes. I don't see us ever getting rid of our modem
    lines
    for this purpose.


    there's better ways to doing that than POTS.

    Please elaborate


    almost the entire planet does not rely on using dialup to access their network settings during equiptment failures.
    network settings during equiptment failures.

    You mean via the networks that would go down, hence the need for dial-up?
    He's talking about a network failure, not equipment failure. And unless you're an ISP, yes, there is a difference.

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  • From Vectorgamer@VERT/CAPSHRIL to Mro on Mon Jul 28 10:53:47 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Mro to Vectorgamer on Fri Jul 25 2014 06:05 pm

    almost the entire planet does not rely on using dialup to access their network settings during equiptment failures.

    I asked if you could elaborate. How am I supposed to access my equipment on the other side of the country in the event of a failure?

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  • From Vectorgamer@VERT/CAPSHRIL to Froggyme on Mon Jul 28 10:59:22 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Froggyme to Mro on Sun Jul 27 2014 11:04 pm

    You mean via the networks that would go down, hence the need for dial-up? He's talking about a network failure, not equipment failure. And unless you're an ISP, yes, there is a difference.

    Doesn't matter if it's a network failure or an equipment failure, I need console access to the equipment. The way we're doing it now is through a modem attached to a console management switch. If there is a better way to gain console access other than POTS please enlighten me.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vectorgamer on Mon Jul 28 22:04:07 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Vectorgamer to Mro on Mon Jul 28 2014 10:53 am

    I asked if you could elaborate. How am I supposed to access my equipment on the other side of the country in the event of a failure?


    i rent a server. if i screw it up i am able to login via the control panel and fix the issues in several differnet ways.

    there are hardware switches that you can connect to that allow you full access, just like you were sitting there infront of the hardware.

    many, many options. whoever is your network admin is a freaking noob.
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  • From Vectorgamer@VERT/CAPSHRIL to Mro on Tue Jul 29 11:32:30 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Mro to Vectorgamer on Mon Jul 28 2014 10:04 pm

    there are hardware switches that you can connect to that allow you full access, just like you were sitting there infront of the hardware.
    many, many options. whoever is your network admin is a freaking noob.

    We are already using console management switches with modems attached to it. You still haven't answered my question as to what the alternative to dial-up is. Probably because you don't have an answer.

    I've been doing this for 17 years - I'm hardly a newb.

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  • From Froggyme@VERT/LILLYPAD to Vectorgamer on Tue Jul 29 14:41:26 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Vectorgamer to Froggyme on Mon Jul 28 2014 10:59 am

    You mean via the networks that would go down, hence the need for
    dial-up? He's talking about a network failure, not equipment
    failure. And unless you're an ISP, yes, there is a difference.

    Doesn't matter if it's a network failure or an equipment failure, I need console access to the equipment. The way we're doing it now is through a modem attached to a console management switch. If there is a better way to gain console access other than POTS please enlighten me.

    It sounds like a great way to do it. If the internet goes down, the phone lines will possibly still be up.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vectorgamer on Wed Jul 30 03:20:32 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Vectorgamer to Mro on Tue Jul 29 2014 11:32 am

    there are hardware switches that you can connect to that allow you
    full access, just like you were sitting there infront of the hardware. many, many options. whoever is your network admin is a freaking noob.

    We are already using console management switches with modems attached to
    it.


    HAH!

    You still haven't answered my question as to what the alternative to
    dial-up is. Probably because you don't have an answer.

    yes i did.
    oh, and look at this and have YOUR MIND BLOWN. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVM_switch

    I've been doing this for 17 years - I'm hardly a newb.

    if you are their network admin, you should be fired.
    you dont need dialup to access computers across the country when there
    is an issue.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Froggyme on Wed Jul 30 03:22:36 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Froggyme to Vectorgamer on Tue Jul 29 2014 02:41 pm


    It sounds like a great way to do it. If the internet goes down, the phone lines will possibly still be up.


    yeah but he's using this to fix network issues on hardware. (or so he says)
    the issue isnt the internet going down, or should it be if you're running
    a business. my internet connection never goes down and i'm on residential.
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  • From Vectorgamer@VERT/CAPSHRIL to Mro on Wed Jul 30 10:01:32 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Mro to Vectorgamer on Wed Jul 30 2014 03:20 am

    yes i did.
    oh, and look at this and have YOUR MIND BLOWN. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVM_switch
    I've been doing this for 17 years - I'm hardly a newb.

    if you are their network admin, you should be fired.
    you dont need dialup to access computers across the country when there
    is an issue.

    Dude you're phucking retarded. Let me educate you:
    K = keyboard
    V = video
    M = mouse

    KVM is used for phucking servers.

    I'm not talking about KVM. I'm talking about remote console into routers and switches. For that I have console management switch with modems attached that allow me to dial-in to the equipment should the WAN or Internet connection go down.

    Now you still haven't answered my question (because you don't have an answer) to what is a better alternative to dial-up when the WAN or Internet goes down. You say there are many alternatives but have yet listed one.

    You say I should be fired and you don't even know me. I have 17 years of hands-on Internetworking experience, graduated college with honors and hold certifications in MCSE, CCNP, CCDP and N+. I know what the phuck I'm talking about.

    And the answer is that there is no better alternative to dial-up when you need to access networking equipment when the WAN or Internet is down. And let me blow your mind by saying I can also cut the power to my devices remotely through a dial-up session. Often times when the Internet goes down cutting and restoring power to the broadband router will restore service.

    Phucking phaggot.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vectorgamer on Wed Jul 30 17:01:58 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Vectorgamer to Mro on Wed Jul 30 2014 10:01 am


    I'm not talking about KVM. I'm talking about remote console into routers
    and switches. For that I have console management switch with modems
    attached that allow me to dial-in to the equipment should the WAN or Internet connection go down.

    Now you still haven't answered my question (because you don't have an answer) to what is a better alternative to dial-up when the WAN or Internet goes down. You say there are many alternatives but have yet listed one.


    this sounds like some made up scenerio you are yacking about just so you
    can say you still use dialup.
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  • From Gryphon@VERT/CYBERIA to Mro on Wed Jul 30 17:35:00 2014
    On 07/30/14, Mro said the following...

    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Vectorgamer to Mro on Wed Jul 30 2014 10:01 am


    I'm not talking about KVM. I'm talking about remote console into router and switches. For that I have console management switch with modems attached that allow me to dial-in to the equipment should the WAN or Internet connection go down.

    Now you still haven't answered my question (because you don't have an answer) to what is a better alternative to dial-up when the WAN or Inte goes down. You say there are many alternatives but have yet listed one.


    this sounds like some made up scenerio you are yacking about just so you can say you still use dialup.


    Um, no. I too am in the IT field; have been for 20 years. I can testify that routers and switches do not use KVMs. Initial configurations (when the do
    not have a valid network setup), or when there is no network connectivity, require serial console connections as their only other means for connecting. Serial means dialup, aka POTS.

    The network group where I work, uses a USR sportster 56k modem on a POTS line as their backup connection method when networking is not available.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Gryphon on Wed Jul 30 23:04:28 2014
    Re: Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Gryphon to Mro on Wed Jul 30 2014 05:35 pm

    Um, no. I too am in the IT field; have been for 20 years. I can testify that routers and switches do not use KVMs. Initial configurations (when

    http://www.thinklogical.com/KVM_Routers


    http://www.thinklogical.com/securefacilities

    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/bank-robbers-use-kvm-switch-and-3g-r outer-to-steal-money/
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2197470

    http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/routers/csr1000/software/configuration/csr 1000Vswcfg/installkvm.html

    http://www.digitalextender.com/ds1818mu.html




    that routers and switches do not use KVMs. Initial configurations (when the do not have a valid network setup), or when there is no network connectivity, require serial console connections as their only other means


    this is kind of splitting hairs, here.

    first off, when is the internet down and when do you need to access them via pots? probably never. that's what this other guy is talking about.

    if there is an issue across the country, it's probably best to have another pair of hands there looking at it instead of using dialup.
    and that is what most places will do, if they have any sense.
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  • From art@VERT/FATCATS to Vectorgamer on Thu Jul 31 09:27:44 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Vectorgamer to Mro on Wed Jul 30 2014 10:01:32

    Ahoy, Vectorgamer,

    I'm not talking about KVM. I'm talking about remote console into routers
    and switches. For that I have console management switch with modems
    attached that allow me to dial-in to the equipment should the WAN or Internet connection go down.

    Now you still haven't answered my question (because you don't have an answer) to what is a better alternative to dial-up when the WAN or
    Internet goes down. You say there are many alternatives but have yet
    listed one.

    You are correct.

    Sounds like he is applying personal hobbyist thinking to large corporate DR scenarios. Anyone who says the WAN isn't going down or isn't a valid DR situation that needs a plan for, is quite frankly, not a real networking resource but a shit talker. Or working for a peanuts small company doing manual labour but thinking they're the IT director at HSBC.

    Kind regards,

    art@fatcatsbbsdotcom

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    -- Sela in ST:TNG "Unification - Part II"

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  • From Khelair@VERT/TINFOIL to Vectorgamer on Thu Jul 31 00:17:05 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Vectorgamer to Mro on Wed Jul 30 2014 10:01:32

    You say I should be fired and you don't even know me. I have 17 years of hands-on Internetworking experience, graduated college with honors and hold certifications in MCSE, CCNP, CCDP and N+. I know what the phuck I'm talking about.

    Oh he's said much worse without knowing who the fuck he's talking about.
    -=-

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  • From Gryphon@VERT/CYBERIA to Mro on Thu Jul 31 08:09:00 2014
    On 07/31/14, Mro said the following...

    Re: Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Gryphon to Mro on Wed Jul 30 2014 05:35 pm
    Um, no. I too am in the IT field; have been for 20 years. I can testif
    that routers and switches do not use KVMs. Initial configurations (wh

    http://www.thinklogical.com/KVM_Routers http://www.thinklogical.com/securefacilities

    Advertisements for routers and switches.

    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/bank-robbers-use-kvm-switch-and outer-to-steal-money/

    Internet-based access via social engineering. What do you do if 3g goes down?

    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2197470

    http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/routers/csr1000/software/configuratio 1000Vswcfg/installkvm.html

    Yep, that's a kvm switch. And how is that relevant

    http://www.digitalextender.com/ds1818mu.html

    that routers and switches do not use KVMs. Initial configurations (wh the do nothave a valid network setup), or when there is no network connectivity, require serial console connections as their only other me


    this is kind of splitting hairs, here.

    first off, when is the internet down and when do you need to access them via pots? probably never. that's what this other guy is talking about.

    Dude, figure it out. Its not the whole internet we're talking about. It's a sites connection to the internet that might go down. If you're under the assumption that a site owner cares about the ENTIRE internet, then you are mistaken. A site owner only cares about whether or not their site is accessable via the internet. If that site is not accessable via the internet, then what other options does that site owner have?

    if there is an issue across the country, it's probably bestto have
    another pair of hands there looking at it instead of using dialup.
    and that is what most places will do, if they have any sense.

    Yep, an extra day or two delay, waiting for a tech to reach the site in order to return it to operational status is always preferable to a few hours of downtime. Or maybe having the vendor send out a patch update on DVD via fedex overnight, instead of downloading the patch update via the modem. riiiggghhtt.

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  • From Vectorgamer@VERT/CAPSHRIL to Mro on Thu Jul 31 10:24:23 2014
    Re: Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Mro to Gryphon on Wed Jul 30 2014 11:04 pm

    first off, when is the internet down and when do you need to access them via pots? probably never. that's what this other guy is talking about.

    This is just ignorant.

    I have at least 50 remote offices scattered throughout the country. Some of these offices have an MPLS connection only, some have an Internet connection only and some of them have both. MPLS and Internet connections are up most of the time, however it's not uncommon for those connections to go down. If they are a site that do not have dual connections, the first thing I need to do in the event of an outage is dial-in via POTS and verify CPE before I call the
    SP.

    Broadband internet connections go down more frequently and I'd say half the time power-cycling the broadband router fixes the problem (we have remote power switches at most of our sites). Most ISPs will not provide you with the highest quality of broadband router.

    Also, many offices do not have support techs onsite. On top of that, there is division of duties in the IT department i.e. regional office techs support end-user and local server equipment. The infrastructure is managed in HQ by my department.

    The best setup are for sites where we have dual connections. If the MPLS goes down, routing switches over dynamically across the Internet through a DMVPN connection (and vice versa if the Internet goes down). However, for some offices it is not a cost effective solution to have dual connections.

    So, we use console management switches that are boxes that contain 8 console ports along with an Ethernet port. One console port is connected to an external modem so we can dial-in and the other console ports are interconnected to router, switches and remote power switch. We connected power from router, switches and broadband router to the remote power switch. With that, we can dial-in to the console management switch over POTS and have the capability to console in or power cycle any of the equipment that is connected.

    For servers, yes you can use KVM. Dell servers also can ship with a DRAC that is a separate card with it's own IP address and web server built-in that you can console into the server. I don't know if DRAC supports dial-up - I doubt it. But as long as your infrastructure is up you can use KVM or DRAC to console into your servers.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Gryphon on Thu Jul 31 17:00:20 2014
    Re: Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Gryphon to Mro on Thu Jul 31 2014 08:09 am

    Yep, an extra day or two delay, waiting for a tech to reach the site in order to return it to operational status is always preferable to a few
    hours of downtime. Or maybe having the vendor send out a patch update on DVD via fedex overnight, instead of downloading the patch update via the


    you're creating all kinds of scenerios that are differnet than what he was stating.

    Dude, figure it out. Its not the whole internet we're talking about. It's a sites connection to the internet that might go down. If you're under the assumption that a site owner cares about the ENTIRE internet, then you are mistaken.


    i talked to the head of it at my company and asked him if he uses dialup to fix network issues and he laughed. they have never had to use a dialup connection to fix or even login to their network.

    my company is pretty large and has locations in 3 places in the usa and 4 in europe and asia.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to All on Thu Jul 31 17:05:38 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Vectorgamer to Mro on Wed Jul 30 2014 10:01 am

    certifications in MCSE, CCNP, CCDP and N+. I know what the phuck I'm
    talking about.

    Phucking phaggot.

    but you dont know how to spell.

    you're lucky you don't live near me because you'd be shopping for some new front teeth.

    you sound like an idiot to me and i'm sure you're working at some bestbuy or you're out of work.

    Rest assured that this "phucking phaggot" makes more money than you.
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  • From MCMLXXIX@VERT/MDJ to Mro on Thu Jul 31 17:33:15 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Mro to All on Thu Jul 31 2014 17:05:38

    Rest assured that this "phucking phaggot" makes more money than you.

    That's a relief.. just a few years ago you were crying about how you had to take your BBS down overnight to save on energy costs.. glad you're rolling in the dough now.. supporting your unemployment was getting tiresome..

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  • From Khelair@VERT/TINFOIL to Mro on Thu Jul 31 03:32:50 2014
    Re: Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Mro to Gryphon on Wed Jul 30 2014 23:04:28

    first off, when is the internet down and when do you need to access them via pots? probably never. that's what this other guy is talking about.

    Yeah, because there's NEVER time when you can't find a route to a host due
    to a router or network segment being down. You've NEVER had to run a traceroute that's started spitting out the 3 asterisks of effed in the a-hole, obviously.

    if there is an issue across the country, it's probably best to have another pair of hands there looking at it instead of using dialup.
    and that is what most places will do, if they have any sense.

    Or, like, you can have a dialup w/getty or whatever running on it. It's a failsafe, you insufferable ignoramus. Jesus Christ, I thought even YOU had a little bit more IT saavy than that.
    -=-

    "It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." -- Jiddu Krishnamurti

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  • From Vectorgamer@VERT/CAPSHRIL to Mro on Thu Jul 31 21:20:37 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Mro to All on Thu Jul 31 2014 05:05 pm

    Phucking phaggot.

    but you dont know how to spell.
    you're lucky you don't live near me because you'd be shopping for some new front teeth.
    you sound like an idiot to me and i'm sure you're working at some bestbuy or you're out of work.
    Rest assured that this "phucking phaggot" makes more money than you.

    You must be new. "Phucking phaggot" is a way to get around censors.

    In response to your previous post, you said your company has a whopping half-dozen sites around the globe? I have around 50 in the US and Canada. So, no - I'm not a Geek Squad phaggot.

    You're ignorant if you think WAN or Internet connections are always up. Why do you think companies put in redundant connections and redundant routers? (I'm eagerly awaiting the response to this question - be sure to check with your IT dept for the answer and get back to me m'kay?)

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  • From LaRRy LaGoMoRpH@VERT/GRUDGEDU to Mro on Thu Jul 31 20:46:01 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Mro to All on Thu Jul 31 2014 05:05 pm

    you're lucky you don't live near me because you'd be shopping for some new front teeth.
    Rest assured that this "phucking phaggot" makes more money than you.

    ahh, my uncle was a denture salesman as well. it can be very lucrative, if you know how to take advantage of seniors, and my uncle would have liked the cut of your jib.

    anyhow, if you are going to go around trying to hoc your warez, please go to the appropriate forum, doveNET advertisements, it's proper bbs etiquette. if anyone knows about that, it's me because i've been here longer than anyone.

    i don't know if you'll be able to sell many sets of teeth here, because my uncle would always tell me it's hard to sell someone teeth without looking at their face. i don't know how you manage to sell so many dentures and be so successful at it sitting behind a screen. if there's one piece of advice he could give you it's don't sell yourself short. yeah, you make a lot of money, but you could always make more. that's why my uncle retired by the time he was 40 and now just spends his time sailing the world.

    and i think you are on that path, and i commend you for trying to find new markets. simply put this discussion in the proper forum, doveNET advertisements. i'm sure you understand because you're a smart guy.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vectorgamer on Thu Jul 31 23:29:56 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Vectorgamer to Mro on Thu Jul 31 2014 09:20 pm

    You must be new. "Phucking phaggot" is a way to get around censors.


    okay.. THAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE NOW!
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vectorgamer on Thu Jul 31 23:34:42 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Vectorgamer to Mro on Thu Jul 31 2014 09:20 pm

    In response to your previous post, you said your company has a whopping half-dozen sites around the globe? I have around 50 in the US and Canada.


    yes, but they're really big. and for everything else we have something
    called distributers.

    So, no - I'm not a Geek Squad phaggot.

    between jobs, eh?

    You're ignorant if you think WAN or Internet connections are always up. Why


    yes, i'm through talking to you, captain dialup.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to LaRRy LaGoMoRpH on Fri Aug 1 00:11:54 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: LaRRy LaGoMoRpH to Mro on Thu Jul 31 2014 08:46 pm

    ahh, my uncle was a denture salesman as well. it can be very lucrative, if you know how to take advantage of seniors, and my uncle would have liked
    the cut of your jib.

    anyhow, if you are going to go around trying to hoc your warez, please go
    to the appropriate forum, doveNET advertisements, it's proper bbs
    etiquette. if anyone knows about that, it's me because i've been here longer than anyone.


    you have found me out!

    back to selling used fleshlights on craigslist for me, i guess! ;[
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  • From Khelair@VERT/TINFOIL to Mro on Thu Jul 31 19:38:59 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Mro to All on Thu Jul 31 2014 17:05:38

    you're lucky you don't live near me because you'd be shopping for some new front teeth.

    you sound like an idiot to me and i'm sure you're working at some bestbuy or you're out of work.

    There's that charming facet of the personality again.

    Dude, the depth of your own insecurity in your competence shows more about you than Andre the Giant in a g-string exposes.
    Oh and that last comment you made to him about the money you make... C'mon, man? Is that how we define success? I mean for someone as psychotic as you, maybe... Who do you have to share it with, though. How many friends do you have that will take you in come ill or well? How tight is your family? Did you still call your father 'sir' before he died?

    -=-

    "It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." -- Jiddu Krishnamurti

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  • From Khelair@VERT/TINFOIL to MCMLXXIX on Thu Jul 31 19:40:40 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: MCMLXXIX to Mro on Thu Jul 31 2014 17:33:15

    That's a relief.. just a few years ago you were crying about how you had to take your BBS down overnight to save on energy costs.. glad you're rolling i the dough now.. supporting your unemployment was getting tiresome..

    Now I've just got to bite.

    Any chance you could shed a little more light on some of the working grinds that've polished Mro into such a gleaming lump of feces amidst the compost?

    -=-

    "It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." -- Jiddu Krishnamurti

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  • From MCMLXXIX@VERT/MDJ to Mro on Fri Aug 1 18:36:13 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Mro to Vectorgamer on Thu Jul 31 2014 23:34:42

    yes, i'm through talking to you, captain dialup.

    everyone here has been done talking to you for years now, you just havent gotten the message.

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  • From MCMLXXIX@VERT/MDJ to Khelair on Sat Aug 2 08:37:24 2014
    Re: DOX ON MRO!
    By: Khelair to MCMLXXIX on Thu Jul 31 2014 19:40:40

    Any chance you could shed a little more light on some of the working gri that've polished Mro into such a gleaming lump of feces amidst the compost?

    nope.. i've said enough, and already stooped to his level..

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  • From Access Denied@VERT/PHARCYDE to Vectorgamer on Fri Aug 1 05:34:24 2014
    Hello Vectorgamer,

    On 31 Jul 14 21:20, Vectorgamer wrote to Mro:

    You must be new. "Phucking phaggot" is a way to get around censors.

    You must be newer. There are no censors these days. :)

    In response to your previous post, you said your company has a
    whopping half-dozen sites around the globe? I have around 50 in the US
    and Canada. So, no - I'm not a Geek Squad phaggot.

    You're ignorant if you think WAN or Internet connections are always
    up. Why do you think companies put in redundant connections and
    redundant routers? (I'm eagerly awaiting the response to this question
    - be sure to check with your IT dept for the answer and get back to me m'kay?)

    I wouldn't worry too much about who you're arguing with. He picks and chooses a
    new argument on a weekly basis, and truly believes he's correct 100% of the time, when in all reality it's usually about .1% of the time. Then when he starts losing the argument, he resorts to threats and insults to content himself. Happens all the time. Stick around or a bit and you'll get to see someone else have to deal with it just like you did. Most people just ignore him these days. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Khelair@VERT/TINFOIL to Vectorgamer on Fri Aug 1 18:21:38 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Vectorgamer to Mro on Thu Jul 31 2014 21:20:37

    You must be new. "Phucking phaggot" is a way to get around censors.

    In response to your previous post, you said your company has a whopping half-dozen sites around the globe? I have around 50 in the US and Canada. So no - I'm not a Geek Squad phaggot.

    You're ignorant if you think WAN or Internet connections are always up. Why you think companies put in redundant connections and redundant routers? (I'm eagerly awaiting the response to this question - be sure to check with your dept for the answer and get back to me m'kay?)

    Well played, good sir! I commend you!

    Please note, this is certainly not sarcasm. I love seeing Mro get shot full of holes. :D

    -=-

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  • From Khelair@VERT/TINFOIL to Mro on Fri Aug 1 18:26:24 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Mro to Vectorgamer on Thu Jul 31 2014 23:34:42

    yes, i'm through talking to you, captain dialup.

    Once again, Mro considers himself the victor, and bars further discussion. Kind of reminds me of Ed Klahn, on FIDO.

    -=-

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  • From Khelair@VERT/TINFOIL to MCMLXXIX on Sat Aug 2 14:11:52 2014
    Re: DOX ON MRO!
    By: MCMLXXIX to Khelair on Sat Aug 02 2014 08:37:24

    Any chance you could shed a little more light on some of the working that've polished Mro into such a gleaming lump of feces amidst the compos

    nope.. i've said enough, and already stooped to his level..

    Sorry. Much like when I asked for the root password for who was it... Lesser Keys? I was trying to hilight the situation. It is, perhaps, unfortunate that I do it in such a taboo manner, but it amuses me.
    I do not have, nor will I ever (unless he comes hunting me), have any urge or desire to find that petty sack of crap. I do have a desire to marginalize his disruption to the BBS community, however. I am fond of this hobby, and do not like the idea of anybody recoiling with bad stories to tell other potential BBSers due to his ridiculous and self-important manner. People will say the same about me, no doubt, but as you may have seen, I admit when I am wrong, and I've never claimed not to be a hypocrite about some things.
    Sorry, MCMLXXIX, if I have offended you. I do not believe in that shit.
    Best wishes.

    -=-

    "It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." -- Jiddu Krishnamurti

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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to Mro on Sat Aug 2 17:01:00 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Mro to Vectorgamer on Thu Jul 31 2014 11:34 pm

    So, no - I'm not a Geek Squad ______.

    between jobs, eh?

    Hey, I used to love working there... you guys are all mean.



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MCMLXXIX on Sat Aug 2 21:56:55 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: MCMLXXIX to Mro on Fri Aug 01 2014 18:36:13

    By: Mro to Vectorgamer on Thu Jul 31 2014 23:34:42

    yes, i'm through talking to you, captain dialup.

    everyone here has been done talking to you for years now, you just
    havent gotten the message.

    After a while, Mro will probably have added enough people to his twitlist that he won't even see our messages anymore, so we won't have to talk to him.

    Nightfox

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Android8675 on Sun Aug 3 01:17:29 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Android8675 to Mro on Sat Aug 02 2014 05:01 pm

    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Mro to Vectorgamer on Thu Jul 31 2014 11:34 pm

    So, no - I'm not a Geek Squad ______.

    between jobs, eh?

    Hey, I used to love working there... you guys are all mean.


    "you're going to need these cables"
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  • From Access Denied@VERT/PHARCYDE to Nightfox on Sun Aug 3 08:14:38 2014
    Hello Nightfox,

    On 02 Aug 14 21:56, Nightfox wrote to MCMLXXIX:

    After a while, Mro will probably have added enough people to his
    twitlist that he won't even see our messages anymore, so we won't have
    to talk to him.

    While we all suffer a little, the people that suffer the most are the new inspiring sysops that come to ask questions and get completely discouraged by his negativity and unhappiness when he responds to them before anyone else can.
    :(

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Sun Aug 3 07:12:52 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Mro to Android8675 on Sun Aug 03 2014 01:17:29

    So, no - I'm not a Geek Squad ______.

    between jobs, eh?

    Hey, I used to love working there... you guys are all mean.

    "you're going to need these cables"

    Yeah, I try not to buy cables from Best Buy if I don't have to. They're all so overpriced.. A $40 cable at Best Buy would probably cost about $5-$7 somewhere else.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Access Denied on Sun Aug 3 07:32:50 2014
    Re: Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Access Denied to Nightfox on Sun Aug 03 2014 08:14:38

    After a while, Mro will probably have added enough people to his
    twitlist that he won't even see our messages anymore, so we won't
    have to talk to him.

    While we all suffer a little, the people that suffer the most are the
    new inspiring sysops that come to ask questions and get completely discouraged by his negativity and unhappiness when he responds to them before anyone else can. :(

    That's true.. His negativity certainly isn't helping anyone.

    Nightfox

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  • From Heliarc@VERT/HAVENS to Access Denied on Sun Aug 3 12:52:33 2014
    Re: Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Access Denied to Nightfox on Sun Aug 03 2014 08:14 am

    After a while, Mro will probably have added enough people to his
    twitlist that he won't even see our messages anymore, so we won't
    have to talk to him.

    While we all suffer a little, the people that suffer the most are the new inspiring sysops that come to ask questions and get completely discouraged by his negativity and unhappiness when he responds to them before anyone else can. :(

    Are we done with this? It's getting old and boring. It certainly doesn't belong in a General Message base. Never let anyone rent space in your head unless they are paying you to live there. ;-) Now let's all have a beer and move on shall we?

    Heliarc

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  • From Access Denied@VERT/PHARCYDE to Heliarc on Sun Aug 3 18:12:40 2014
    Hello Heliarc,

    On 03 Aug 14 12:52, Heliarc wrote to Access Denied:

    Are we done with this? It's getting old and boring. It certainly
    doesn't belong in a General Message base. Never let anyone rent space
    in your head unless they are paying you to live there. ;-) Now let's
    all have a beer and move on shall we?

    It's been old and boring for the last decade. So I'm guessing it will never end. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Khelair@VERT/TINFOIL to Heliarc on Sun Aug 3 23:26:34 2014
    Re: Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Heliarc to Access Denied on Sun Aug 03 2014 12:52:33

    Are we done with this? It's getting old and boring. It certainly doesn't bel in a General Message base. Never let anyone rent space in your head unless t are paying you to live there. ;-) Now let's all have a beer and move on sha we?

    Should anyone interested in keeping a decent BBS community around (one with occasional new user/new sysop influx) really stop beating this dead horse?
    As soon as Mro runs around with that attitude unchecked, the people that stumble across his horseshit first will assume that it's accepted, or
    worse, the norm. Why would someone with that impression call back or keep putting more effort into their system?
    Yeah, it's old and it sucks. I'm tired of it; he doesn't even see 95% of the crap I post, unless someone he hasn't twitlisted (few and far between as they may be) quotes it back so that he can see it. I do what I do so that new influx won't see it going unchallenged, or at least without a hint of people that aren't such self-important, nihilistic assholes. :P
    Sometimes you've got to deal with a little crap to keep the things you care about going. I'd say it's responsibility, but that doesn't sound right if you're keeping the BBS in the 'hobby' category. I've got more of a passion for it than that. I'll keep challenging his shit, just in case it helps a person see past his callous crap. Better twitlist me if you're that tired of it. I've got a feeling there's a lot of others that're doing it.

    -=-

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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to Mro on Mon Aug 4 08:17:17 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Mro to Android8675 on Sun Aug 03 2014 01:17 am

    Hey, I used to love working there... you guys are all mean.

    "you're going to need these cables"

    Heh, I worked on diag and repair, didn't have to sell too often, but when I did I always pushed the store brand cables and tried to explain why you don't need a $200 HDMI cable.

    I enjoyed the job a lot. Only mad people I got were people who didn't want to spend $200 to recover their "lifes work" from a shitty laptop that they refused to perform a backup on dispite my recommendation. Only time I enjoyed working on Apple systems (until they started sealing the notebooks so you couldn't open them)


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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to Nightfox on Mon Aug 4 08:18:15 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Sun Aug 03 2014 07:12 am

    Yeah, I try not to buy cables from Best Buy if I don't have to. They're all so overpriced.. A $40 cable at Best Buy would probably cost about $5-$7 somewhere else.

    They carry those, you just have to know where to get them. (hint: ask at the GSI counter)


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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Android8675 on Mon Aug 4 20:08:42 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Android8675 to Mro on Mon Aug 04 2014 08:17 am

    Hey, I used to love working there... you guys are all mean.

    "you're going to need these cables"

    Heh, I worked on diag and repair, didn't have to sell too often, but when I did I always pushed the store brand cables and tried to explain why you don't need a $200 HDMI cable.


    the store brands at bestbuy and radioshack ARE the expensive ones.
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  • From Mark Hofmann@VERT/TCP to Vectorgamer on Mon Aug 11 18:20:04 2014
    The best setup are for sites where we have dual connections. If the MPLS goes down, routing switches over dynamically across the Internet through a DMVPN connection (and vice versa if the Internet goes down). However, for some offices it is not a cost effective solution to have dual connections.

    Since all of the remote sites that I manage for work are local, we don't use MPLS but rather TLS (Transparent LAN Services) or sometime called Metro-E (Metropolitan Ethernet) connections.

    Based on connectivity options at the site, we sometimes use a combination of Business Class cable modems and 4G wireless backup. Both terminate to two different DMVPN endpoints at two different locations.

    I also do large data center network design and configurations. Just deployed (4) Cisco Nexus 9ks with an 80GB backbone as a top-of-rack solution.

    Cool stuff..

    - Mark

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to Mro on Mon Aug 11 20:33:44 2014
    Re: Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Mro to Gryphon on Wed Jul 30 2014 11:04 pm

    http://www.thinklogical.com/KVM_Routers

    Ha hah ha! You are such an idiot... you clearly don't even know what those things do.

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to Gryphon on Mon Aug 11 20:36:08 2014
    Re: Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Gryphon to Mro on Thu Jul 31 2014 08:09 am

    http://www.thinklogical.com/KVM_Routers http://www.thinklogical.com/securefacilities

    Advertisements for routers and switches.

    They're not even network routers and switches, they're KVM routers and switches.

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to Mro on Mon Aug 11 20:39:31 2014
    Re: Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Mro to Gryphon on Thu Jul 31 2014 05:00 pm

    i talked to the head of it at my company and asked him if he uses dialup to fix network issues and he laughed. they have never had to use a dialup connection to fix or even login to their network.

    my company is pretty large and has locations in 3 places in the usa and 4
    in europe and asia.

    That's because your company can remain open in the face of a network failure and your network doesn't actually matter to your business or your customer's business.

    Also, it's very likely that "pretty large" company doesn't have a network anywhere near the scale of what everyone else is talking about.

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to Mro on Mon Aug 11 20:42:39 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Mro to All on Thu Jul 31 2014 05:05 pm

    you sound like an idiot to me and i'm sure you're working at some bestbuy
    or you're out of work.

    We thought the same thing about you, but it turns out the company you work for is much smaller.

    When a retail BestBuy location loses their WAN connection, do you think they close or use imprint machines? Or maybe they just grab the managers cell phone
    and route everything through that until someone can show up to fix the problem.

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to Vectorgamer on Mon Aug 11 20:44:48 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Vectorgamer to Mro on Thu Jul 31 2014 09:20 pm

    You're ignorant if you think WAN or Internet connections are always up. Why do you think companies put in redundant connections and redundant routers? (I'm eagerly awaiting the response to this question - be sure to check with your IT dept for the answer and get back to me m'kay?)

    You mean he should turn around and ask "Jeff the computer guy" about it?

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to Mro on Mon Aug 11 20:46:41 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Mro to Vectorgamer on Thu Jul 31 2014 11:34 pm

    yes, but they're really big. and for everything else we have something called distributers.

    So wholesale retail goods. I bet you still accept fax orders for Net30 distributors.

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to Khelair on Mon Aug 11 20:47:30 2014
    Re: Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Khelair to Mro on Thu Jul 31 2014 07:38 pm

    Dude, the depth of your own insecurity in your competence shows more about you than Andre the Giant in a g-string exposes.

    You forgot the sarcasm quotes around "competence".

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to MCMLXXIX on Mon Aug 11 20:50:32 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: MCMLXXIX to Mro on Fri Aug 01 2014 06:36 pm

    yes, i'm through talking to you, captain dialup.

    everyone here has been done talking to you for years now, you just havent gotten the message.

    oooo... edgy. not using capitals... now you just need to forget everything you
    know, make up some shit and do personal attacks against people while carefully hiding your identity and location while telling people how lucky they are they don't live near you because you would kick their ass.

    maybe brag about your years of experience running a successful bbs.

    a "fun" project would be to make a list of people who are lucky they aren't near mro.

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to MCMLXXIX on Mon Aug 11 20:51:06 2014
    Re: DOX ON MRO!
    By: MCMLXXIX to Khelair on Sat Aug 02 2014 08:37 am

    nope.. i've said enough, and already stooped to his level..

    yes, we've lost the ability to use capitals. woe is us.

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to Access Denied on Mon Aug 11 20:52:21 2014
    Re: Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Access Denied to Vectorgamer on Fri Aug 01 2014 05:34 am

    I wouldn't worry too much about who you're arguing with. He picks and chooses a new argument on a weekly basis, and truly believes he's correct 100% of the time, when in all reality it's usually about .1% of the time. Then when he starts losing the argument, he resorts to threats and insults to content himself. Happens all the time. Stick around or a bit and you'll get to see someone else have to deal with it just like you did. Most people just ignore him these days. :)

    You forget to mention how he relies on the fact that he's actually made two or three useful suggestions in the past fifteen years or so which have made it into Synchronet and/or SyncTERM. This clearly makes him BBS Jesus.

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to Nightfox on Mon Aug 11 20:53:42 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Nightfox to MCMLXXIX on Sat Aug 02 2014 09:56 pm

    After a while, Mro will probably have added enough people to his twitlist that he won't even see our messages anymore, so we won't have to talk to him.

    At that point, he will announce that he's leaving DoVeNet forever again and never coming back (again) and that this time he really means it (again)!

    Of course, he'll be wrong about that too (again).

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to Nightfox on Mon Aug 11 20:55:09 2014
    Re: Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Nightfox to Access Denied on Sun Aug 03 2014 07:32 am

    That's true.. His negativity certainly isn't helping anyone.

    He replies to this objection by telling you he can't count how many sysops he's
    helped over the years and that Synchronet is a stagnant BBS backwater.

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to Heliarc on Mon Aug 11 20:55:45 2014
    Re: Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Heliarc to Access Denied on Sun Aug 03 2014 12:52 pm

    Are we done with this? It's getting old and boring. It certainly doesn't belong in a General Message base. Never let anyone rent space in your head unless they are paying you to live there. ;-) Now let's all have a beer
    and move on shall we?

    I've been on vacation and am catching up. I do have some whiskey though.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Deuce on Mon Aug 11 21:41:04 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Deuce to Nightfox on Mon Aug 11 2014 20:53:42

    After a while, Mro will probably have added enough people to his
    twitlist that he won't even see our messages anymore, so we won't have
    to talk to him.

    At that point, he will announce that he's leaving DoVeNet forever again and never coming back (again) and that this time he really means it (again)!

    Of course, he'll be wrong about that too (again).

    He'll just come back with a different username, but we'll all know who it is very soon.

    Nightfox

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  • From Khelair@VERT/TINFOIL to Deuce on Tue Aug 12 00:26:24 2014
    Re: Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Deuce to Khelair on Mon Aug 11 2014 20:47:30

    You forgot the sarcasm quotes around "competence".

    Whoops, that I did. I missed some other grammatical bits there,
    too. I think I was in the flaming flow and bypassed it. I shall
    redouble my efforts to be concise. :)

    -=-

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  • From MCMLXXIX@VERT/MDJ to Deuce on Tue Aug 12 08:57:54 2014
    Re: DOX ON MRO!
    By: Deuce to MCMLXXIX on Mon Aug 11 2014 20:51:06

    yes, we've lost the ability to use capitals. woe is us.


    SORRY MAN. I WILL USE MOAR CAPITALS 4 U.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MCMLXXIX on Tue Aug 12 07:41:18 2014
    Re: DOX ON MRO!
    By: MCMLXXIX to Deuce on Tue Aug 12 2014 08:57:54

    yes, we've lost the ability to use capitals. woe is us.

    SORRY MAN. I WILL USE MOAR CAPITALS 4 U.

    http://bash.org/?835030

    Nightfox

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  • From Vectorgamer@VERT/CAPSHRIL to Mark Hofmann on Tue Aug 12 11:11:27 2014
    Re: Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Mark Hofmann to Vectorgamer on Mon Aug 11 2014 06:20 pm

    I also do large data center network design and configurations. Just deployed (4) Cisco Nexus 9ks with an 80GB backbone as a top-of-rack solution.

    Kewl. We're supposed to be upgrading to Nexus switches in the core sometime soon.

    Right now we have two 6509s in the core and three 6504s in building distribution frames. The 6504s have two 10-Gbps connections to the core which we have config'd as router ports. I designed, config'd and installed all this stuff myself.

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  • From Vectorgamer@VERT/CAPSHRIL to Mark Hofmann on Tue Aug 12 11:20:21 2014
    Re: Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Vectorgamer to Mark Hofmann on Tue Aug 12 2014 11:11 am

    distribution frames. The 6504s have two 10-Gbps connections to the core

    Correction...the 6504s have four 10-Gbps connections to the core. It's been a while since I installed this :)

    For the most part the 6500s have run error free. We had a supe die in one of the 6504s but we have redundant supes there. And we had to reseat a module in one of the 6509s because (according to Cisco) "modules can vibrate out of the backplane during normal operation." I kid you not - that's what they told us.

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to MCMLXXIX on Tue Aug 12 12:47:34 2014
    Re: DOX ON MRO!
    By: MCMLXXIX to Deuce on Tue Aug 12 2014 08:57 am

    yes, we've lost the ability to use capitals. woe is us.

    SORRY MAN. I WILL USE MOAR CAPITALS 4 U.

    yOU Don'T Need tO UsE aLl caps, juST mIx it uP a biT.

    ThaNx Man, You'rE tHe bESt.

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  • From Gate Keeper@VERT/THEGATEB to Deuce on Tue Aug 12 23:02:11 2014
    Re: DOX ON MRO!
    By: Deuce to MCMLXXIX on Tue Aug 12 2014 12:47 pm

    Re: DOX ON MRO!
    By: MCMLXXIX to Deuce on Tue Aug 12 2014 08:57 am

    yes, we've lost the ability to use capitals. woe is us.

    SORRY MAN. I WILL USE MOAR CAPITALS 4 U.

    yOU Don'T Need tO UsE aLl caps, juST mIx it uP a biT.

    ThaNx Man, You'rE tHe bESt.


    WHATS WRONG WITH CAPS? ;-)

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  • From MCMLXXIX@VERT/MDJ to Deuce on Wed Aug 13 12:17:45 2014
    Re: DOX ON MRO!
    By: Deuce to MCMLXXIX on Tue Aug 12 2014 12:47:34

    SORRY MAN. I WILL USE MOAR CAPITALS 4 U.

    yOU Don'T Need tO UsE aLl caps, juST mIx it uP a biT.

    ThaNx Man, You'rE tHe bESt.

    yOU aRE rIGHT. tHIS iS mUCH bETTER.

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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to Deuce on Wed Aug 13 08:45:22 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Deuce to Mro on Mon Aug 11 2014 08:42 pm

    you sound like an idiot to me and i'm sure you're working at some
    bestbuy or you're out of work.

    We thought the same thing about you, but it turns out the company you work for is much smaller.

    When a retail BestBuy location loses their WAN connection, do you think they close or use imprint machines? Or maybe they just grab the managers cell phone and route everything through that until someone can show up to fix the problem.

    Actually when the POS went down we were usually screwed like every other retail chain out there. :) IBM actually manages all of BBYs POS systems. I remember we had one guy who would visit every 6 weeks, start a fix on any "down" POS systems, leave the systems diagnosing for another 6 weeks until he came back to finish the work. Was hilarious.


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  • From IB JOE@VERT/JOESBBS to Gate Keeper on Wed Aug 13 12:08:51 2014
    Re: DOX ON MRO!
    By: Gate Keeper to Deuce on Tue Aug 12 2014 11:02 pm

    WHATS WRONG WITH CAPS? ;-)

    it means you are yelling...

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to IB JOE on Wed Aug 13 12:47:09 2014
    Re: DOX ON MRO!
    By: Gate Keeper to Deuce on Tue Aug 12 2014 11:02 pm

    WHATS WRONG WITH CAPS? ;-)

    it means you are yelling...

    I think Gate Keeper was joking (hence the ;-) at the end of his comment).

    Nightfox

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Mark Hofmann on Wed Aug 13 14:20:10 2014
    Re: Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Mark Hofmann to Vectorgamer on Mon Aug 11 2014 06:20 pm

    I also do large data center network design and configurations. Just deployed (4) Cisco Nexus 9ks with an 80GB backbone as a top-of-rack solution.

    ...And on the other side of the spectrum, I just used my last powerline device to plug in my wife's laptop when the wireless craps out. :)

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Deuce on Wed Aug 13 14:22:24 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Deuce to Nightfox on Mon Aug 11 2014 08:53 pm

    At that point, he will announce that he's leaving DoVeNet forever again and never coming back (again) and that this time he really means it (again)!


    I had a caller who kept calling back for days to respond to replies to his dramatic farewell. One of the sysops replied with

    "HOW CAN WE MISS YOU IF YOU WON'T LEAVE???"

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to Android8675 on Wed Aug 13 15:26:17 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Android8675 to Deuce on Wed Aug 13 2014 08:45 am

    When a retail BestBuy location loses their WAN connection, do you
    think they close or use imprint machines? Or maybe they just grab the managers cell phone and route everything through that until someone
    can show up to fix the problem.

    Actually when the POS went down we were usually screwed like every other retail chain out there. :) IBM actually manages all of BBYs POS systems. I remember we had one guy who would visit every 6 weeks, start a fix on any "down" POS systems, leave the systems diagnosing for another 6 weeks until he came back to finish the work. Was hilarious.

    Ah, I thought BestBuy would have their own IT. I was speaking more of the backend connection rather than the POS terminal itself though... if your backend went down, you wouldn't just close the store would you?

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to IB JOE on Wed Aug 13 21:22:42 2014
    Re: DOX ON MRO!
    By: IB JOE to Gate Keeper on Wed Aug 13 2014 12:08 pm

    WHATS WRONG WITH CAPS? ;-)

    it means you are yelling...

    no, it means that you are writing in capital letters.

    long long ago, someone used capital letters to emphasize what they were saying. eventually it ended up that you were rude and screaming if you were typing in capital letters.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Wed Aug 13 20:13:19 2014
    Re: DOX ON MRO!
    By: Mro to IB JOE on Wed Aug 13 2014 21:22:42

    WHATS WRONG WITH CAPS? ;-)

    it means you are yelling...

    no, it means that you are writing in capital letters.

    long long ago, someone used capital letters to emphasize what they were saying. eventually it ended up that you were rude and screaming if you were typing in capital letters.

    So in a nutshell, capital letters is taken as yelling - which has already been said.

    Nightfox

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  • From Khelair@VERT/TINFOIL to All on Wed Aug 13 20:33:05 2014
    Re: DOX ON MRO!
    By: Mro to IB JOE on Wed Aug 13 2014 21:22:42

    no, it means that you are writing in capital letters.

    long long ago, someone used capital letters to emphasize what they were saying. eventually it ended up that you were rude and screaming if you were typing in capital letters.

    The prodigal and obtuse asshole returns.

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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to Deuce on Thu Aug 14 12:34:39 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Deuce to Android8675 on Wed Aug 13 2014 03:26 pm

    Actually when the POS went down we were usually screwed like every
    other retail chain out there. :) IBM actually manages all of BBYs POS
    systems. I remember we had one guy who would visit every 6 weeks,
    start a fix on any "down" POS systems, leave the systems diagnosing
    for another 6 weeks until he came back to finish the work. Was
    hilarious.

    Ah, I thought BestBuy would have their own IT. I was speaking more of the backend connection rather than the POS terminal itself though... if your backend went down, you wouldn't just close the store would you?

    Na, Probably end up taking imprints of cc's for purchases. I think the system had an offline mode, you can still ring up purchases, and it'd batch send them at the end of the day.

    There were 2 systems, one was strictly the POS, the other was an Intranet like enviornment that hosted stuff like professional installation appointments, the Geek Squad Repair system, BBY insider news for employees, etc. As I recal andy POS terminal or any computer connected to the "Internet" can also access the BestBuy internal network, even demo computers, though those usually had sales demo software running to keep them clean from idiots.


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  • From Mark Hofmann@VERT/TCP to Vectorgamer on Thu Aug 14 14:55:24 2014
    Kewl. We're supposed to be upgrading to Nexus switches in the core
    sometime soon.

    Phase two of the Nexus project, I'll be replacing the (2) 6513s we have at our core. Not totally sure which Nexus 9k model we will go with yet.

    Right now we have two 6509s in the core and three 6504s in building distribution frames. The 6504s have two 10-Gbps connections to the core which we have config'd as router ports. I designed, config'd and installed all this stuff myself.

    We have (2) 6509s in our distribution layer at one location, all connecting to edge closets with redundant routed 1-Gbps fiber links. Have not moved to 10-Gbps to the edge yet, but getting closer. We have a few distance limitations that need to be figured out and hardware swaps to deal with.

    One of our buildings has around 40 edge closets, half of them being dual 6513s with Sup32s. Last I checked, I believe we have a capacity over over 10k ports total on the entire network.

    Same here... I did the design, configuration, and most of the installations myself. These days I'm more focused in the data center design and security with other team members handling the edge. The network has grown so much, we have had to divide and conquer.

    - Mark

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  • From Mark Hofmann@VERT/TCP to Vectorgamer on Thu Aug 14 14:59:19 2014
    Correction...the 6504s have four 10-Gbps connections to the core. It's
    been a while since I installed this :)

    We have one edge closet (our IT staff) that has (4) 1-Gbps routed uplinks. That
    is the most to any edge at the current time.

    For the most part the 6500s have run error free. We had a supe die in one
    of the 6504s but we have redundant supes there. And we had to reseat a module in one of the 6509s because (according to Cisco) "modules can
    vibrate out of the backplane during normal operation." I kid you not - that's what they told us.

    Yeah, they are great. They run forever if you get on stable code. Over the years we have had various hardware fail, but overall not too bad.

    We are starting to deploy Cisco 4500 chassis to the edge with sup7e and sup8e modules. They support the new 60-watt PoE provided you have enough 220 power supplies feeding it.

    - Mark

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  • From Mark Hofmann@VERT/TCP to Poindexter Fortran on Thu Aug 14 15:02:55 2014
    ...And on the other side of the spectrum, I just used my last powerline device to plug in my wife's laptop when the wireless craps out. :)

    Nothing wrong with that.

    I had brought one of the Nexus 9ks home to configure and learn... It wasn't an easy thing to box it back up and return it to work when I was finished.. :)

    - Mark

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  • From cybergod@VERT/METALLIC to Nightfox on Sat Sep 13 01:36:00 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Sun Aug 03 2014 08:12 am

    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Mro to Android8675 on Sun Aug 03 2014 01:17:29

    So, no - I'm not a Geek Squad ______.

    between jobs, eh?

    Hey, I used to love working there... you guys are all mean.

    "you're going to need these cables"

    Yeah, I try not to buy cables from Best Buy if I don't have to. They're all overpriced.. A $40 cable at Best Buy would probably cost about $5-$7 somewh else.

    Nightfox


    amen brother!


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  • From cybergod@VERT/METALLIC to Android8675 on Sat Oct 11 04:26:00 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Android8675 to Nightfox on Mon Aug 04 2014 09:18 am

    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Sun Aug 03 2014 07:12 am

    Yeah, I try not to buy cables from Best Buy if I don't have to. They'r all so overpriced.. A $40 cable at Best Buy would probably cost about $5-$7 somewhere else.

    They carry those, you just have to know where to get them. (hint: ask at the GSI counter)


    ya i used to work at best buy (unfortunatly) they are the biggest ripoff ever they sell cheep shit at expensive shit prices

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to cybergod on Sat Oct 11 23:24:28 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: cybergod to Android8675 on Sat Oct 11 2014 04:26 am


    ya i used to work at best buy (unfortunatly) they are the biggest ripoff ever they sell cheep shit at expensive shit prices


    my problem with bestbuy is :
    + their custom line of electronics products "dyn...something"
    + their very old stock
    + the idiots they have selling items.
    + that crap when they used to do mail in rebates
    + their warranties are usually crappy.

    also one time i brought in a netbook just bought.
    there was an issue with the nic.
    they insisted i wait there while a member of their geek squad trouble shoots the issue. they could have just sent the fucker back to asus and be done with it. NO..... some low paid know it all gets to fuck around with it while i waited for half an hour to get the OK so i could get my money back.
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  • From cybergod@VERT/METALLIC to Mro on Tue Oct 14 05:35:00 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Mro to cybergod on Sun Oct 12 2014 12:24 am

    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: cybergod to Android8675 on Sat Oct 11 2014 04:26 am


    ya i used to work at best buy (unfortunatly) they are the biggest ripoff ever they sell cheep shit at expensive shit prices


    my problem with bestbuy is :
    + their custom line of electronics products "dyn...something"
    + their very old stock
    + the idiots they have selling items.
    + that crap when they used to do mail in rebates
    + their warranties are usually crappy.

    also one time i brought in a netbook just bought.
    there was an issue with the nic.
    they insisted i wait there while a member of their geek squad trouble shoots the issue. they could have just sent the fucker back to asus and be done wi it. NO..... some low paid know it all gets to fuck around with it while i waited for half an hour to get the OK so i could get my money back.

    ya they absolutly suck, plus the item should have been exchanged imidiatly if it was new and had a problem out of the box. did it have a problem with the nic as soon as you set it up?


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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to cybergod on Wed Oct 15 02:20:45 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: cybergod to Mro on Tue Oct 14 2014 05:35 am

    be done wi it. NO..... some low paid know it all gets to fuck around with it while i waited for half an hour to get the OK so i could get my money back.

    ya they absolutly suck, plus the item should have been exchanged imidiatly if it was new and had a problem out of the box. did it have a problem with the nic as soon as you set it up?



    yeah, i bought 2 identical netbooks, and they went into their setup during first bootup and completed the windows install. one was fine, one was not. then i did a system restore and same issue. so then i put win7 ultimate on it and same issue.

    so what i did was download an iso of win7 starter and during
    the setup i just turned it off so when bestbuy looked at it, everything looked kosher. like i didnt violate their rules by installing another os on it.

    they shouldnt have had me sit there and wait and wait. it was no skin off their nose, they send the sucker back to asus and that's that.
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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to cybergod on Fri Oct 24 13:34:33 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: cybergod to Mro on Tue Oct 14 2014 05:35 am


    I stopped buying at Best Buy when I bought a couple of cameras and financed through them. Unbeknownst to me, the sales rep signed me up for a "unemployment prevention" insurance clause - pay them $5 a month, and if I lost my job and didn't want to pay for the camera any more, they'd take it back and close the note.

    Talk about a crappy deal.

    Anyways, when I noticed it on the bill I'd been charged for a several months. They denied any wrongdoing at first, then faxed me a copy of the form, which showed someone didn't even bother trying to forge my initials, to then wanting to haggle with me for how many months they would refund back. Presented it like they were doing me a favor. Took several calls to get it straightened out, but at that point I was willing to wait for as long as it took to get it taken care of.

    Now I make a point of browsing there and buying elsewhere. And letting them know that.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Poindexter Fortran on Fri Oct 24 19:54:21 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Poindexter Fortran to cybergod on Fri Oct 24 2014 01:34 pm

    I stopped buying at Best Buy when I bought a couple of cameras and financed through them. Unbeknownst to me, the sales rep signed me up for a "unemployment prevention" insurance clause - pay them $5 a month, and if I lost my job and didn't want to pay for the camera any more, they'd take it back and close the note.


    i never heard of them doing that. it must be some side deal or some experimental thing they were doing.

    get it straightened out, but at that point I was willing to wait for as
    long as it took to get it taken care of.

    Now I make a point of browsing there and buying elsewhere. And letting them know that.


    bestbuy doesnt even have a decent selection. i'd just use amazon.

    i remember years ago my friends and i would go into best buy and wipe all the laptops and desktop and walk out.
    we never got caught and i still wonder if things were even considering how BB screwed me over altogether.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Fri Oct 24 18:56:42 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Mro to Poindexter Fortran on Fri Oct 24 2014 19:54:21

    bestbuy doesnt even have a decent selection. i'd just use amazon.

    I agree. And now that Best Buy does price matching with Amazon (and other online stores), I'll pick up something at Best Buy if they happen to have it in stock; otherwise I'll just buy from Amazon (or Newegg or wherever else online).

    Nightfox

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Fri Oct 24 22:02:04 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Fri Oct 24 2014 06:56 pm

    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Mro to Poindexter Fortran on Fri Oct 24 2014 19:54:21

    bestbuy doesnt even have a decent selection. i'd just use amazon.

    I agree. And now that Best Buy does price matching with Amazon (and other online stores), I'll pick up something at Best Buy if they happen to have
    it in stock; otherwise I'll just buy from Amazon (or Newegg or wherever
    else online).


    you can still get a lot of stuff tax free on amazon and they dont complain
    if you send something back, though.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Fri Oct 24 23:45:16 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Fri Oct 24 2014 22:02:04

    you can still get a lot of stuff tax free on amazon and they dont
    complain if you send something back, though.

    I live in a state that doesn't charge sales taxes anyway.

    Nightfox

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  • From Misfit@VERT/EMERALD to Mro on Sat Oct 25 18:22:46 2014
    Re: Anyone Still Use Dial-up?
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Fri Oct 24 2014 10:02 pm

    you can still get a lot of stuff tax free on amazon and they dont complain if you send something back, though.

    Exacly. I love being an Amazon Prime member. The very few times I have ever had to return items, they immiedietly sent out a replacement first (not charging my CC), then provide a free mailing label to return the item. Once they received the item back, the case was closed. Otherwise, I (believe) they charge for the second item in 30 days. Now THAT is the way it should be done.

    Worst (Buy) literally turns my stomach. Haven't been in a BB in over 15 years. Hate when I hear someone talking about buying crap from them.

    BB is the AOL of retailers.

    "Would you like [serverly overpriced] cables and [useless] protection plan with that?"

    Cheers,
    Misfit

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  • From Mark Hofmann@VERT/TCP to Misfit on Sat Nov 1 13:25:15 2014
    Worst (Buy) literally turns my stomach. Haven't been in a BB in over 15 years. Hate when I hear someone talking about buying crap from them.

    Agreed.

    The only thing they are good for is checking out an item visually before buying somewhere else.

    - Mark

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