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  • Anyone Run Android On the Desktop?

    From Vectorgamer@VERT/CAPSHRIL to All on Tue Feb 2 10:11:53 2016
    Just curious if anyone tried this and what their impressions are. When my 8 year old desktop dies, I want to experiment with running it myself.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vectorgamer on Tue Feb 2 12:30:53 2016
    Just curious if anyone tried this and what their impressions are. When my 8 year old desktop dies, I want to experiment with running it myself.

    It would be interesting, but personally I'm not entirely sure why I would want to run Android on a desktop PC. Most Android apps rely on using a touch screen, and I generally don't like the idea of getting fingerprint smudges on my desktop monitor. Plus I think it could be somewhat uncomfortable to have
    to reach out to your PC monitor all the time (as compared to using a keyboard and mouse). And I'm not sure how many apps are available for Android that let you interact with a keyboard & mouse and work similarly to desktop software apps.

    Nightfox

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  • From Mr. Cool@VERT/RETROARC to Vectorgamer on Thu Feb 4 19:54:58 2016
    Re: Anyone Run Android On the Desktop?
    By: Vectorgamer to All on Tue Feb 02 2016 10:11 am

    Just curious if anyone tried this and what their impressions are. When my 8 year old desktop dies, I want to experiment with running it myself.


    I personally have not tried this, but not long ago I did find a video on YouTube about an OS based on Android called Remix OS. It is still under development from what I understand, but it is basically a version of Android that is designed for Desktop use.

    - Mr. Cool

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  • From Drakahn99@VERT/TWSTDT to Vectorgamer on Fri Feb 5 07:56:11 2016
    Just curious if anyone tried this and what their impressions are. When my
    8
    year old desktop dies, I want to experiment with running it myself.

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    i used to mess around with blue stacks, but it proved to be more hassle than
    it was worth. the problem with this scenario is the os id designed with a
    touch screen in mind. and not a keyboard and mouse. i know they added support for that but its still clumsy compared to an os designed to work as a
    desktop.

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  • From Doctor Who@VERT/THE5THD to Nightfox on Mon Feb 8 07:55:16 2016
    Re: Anyone Run Android On the Desktop?
    By: Nightfox to Vectorgamer on Tue Feb 02 2016 12:30 pm

    It would be interesting, but personally I'm not entirely sure why I would want to run Android on a desktop PC. Most Android apps rely on using a touch screen, and I generally don't like the idea of getting fingerprint smudges on my desktop monitor. Plus I think it could be somewhat uncomfortable to have
    to reach out to your PC monitor all the time (as compared to using a keyboard and mouse). And I'm not sure how many apps are available for Android that let you interact with a keyboard & mouse and work similarly to desktop software apps.

    Nightfox

    There is a project called Android x86 which ports Android releases to the desktop. I haven't tried it, but it looks interesting, and I think they do implement some features which adapt it to use on the desktop such as mouse and keyboard
    support. So it doesn't require a touchscreen.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Doctor Who on Mon Feb 8 12:26:22 2016
    There is a project called Android x86 which ports Android releases to the desktop. I haven't tried it, but it looks interesting, and I think they do implement some features which adapt it to use on the desktop such as mouse and keyboard
    support. So it doesn't require a touchscreen.

    Interesting.. Is it one group that's porting other peoples' Android software to
    a desktop interface? If so, I wonder how they acquire the rights to do that.

    Also, there are some Android phones and tablets that use Intel x86 processors.. So I'm wondering why they thought the name "Android x86" would automatically imply desktop.

    Nightfox

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Doctor Who on Tue Feb 9 06:28:03 2016
    Re: Anyone Run Android On the Desktop?
    By: Doctor Who to Nightfox on Mon Feb 08 2016 07:55 am

    There is a project called Android x86 which ports Android releases to the desktop. I haven't tried it, but it looks interesting, and I think they do implement some features which adapt it to use on the desktop such as mouse and keyboard support. So it doesn't require a touchscreen.

    Android runs just fine without a touch screen. I have an old Android netbook that uses a track pad and buttons for all features.

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Tue Feb 9 06:30:11 2016
    Re: Anyone Run Android On the Desktop?
    By: Nightfox to Doctor Who on Mon Feb 08 2016 12:26 pm

    Also, there are some Android phones and tablets that use Intel x86 processors.. So I'm wondering why they thought the name "Android x86" would automatically imply desktop.

    I didn't know other manufacturers were making x86 phones. Some of the rumors I've heard brewing about Microsoft killing off the Lumia line was that they were going to make an x86 "surface phone" that could run desktop apps.

    A desktop replacement phone that ran Windows apps would be intriguing. Pair with a bluetooth keyboard/mouse and HDMI monitor and you've got a one-stop solution for mobile and desktop.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Poindexter Fortran on Tue Feb 9 08:27:05 2016
    I didn't know other manufacturers were making x86 phones.

    One Android phone I know of with an x86 is the Asus ZenFone. As far as tablets, the Dell Venue 8 7000 series uses an Intel processor. Asus also has (or had) an Android Intel tablet called the MeMo Pad, and Samsung also had
    one (the Tab 3 from a few years ago, I think; but the next version had an ARM processor).

    Some of the rumors
    I've heard brewing about Microsoft killing off the Lumia line was that
    they
    were going to make an x86 "surface phone" that could run desktop apps.

    A desktop replacement phone that ran Windows apps would be intriguing.
    Pair
    with a bluetooth keyboard/mouse and HDMI monitor and you've got a one-stop solution for mobile and desktop.

    I heard about that. Something like that would be interesting. However, I'd think that it would be easy to start to rely on that as a main everyday computer, but I'm not sure I'd want to carry much of my personal data around
    in my pocket every day for fear it might be stolen.

    Nightfox

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Tue Feb 9 22:31:46 2016
    Re: Anyone Run Android On the Desktop?
    By: Nightfox to Doctor Who on Mon Feb 08 2016 12:26 pm

    Interesting.. Is it one group that's porting other peoples' Android software to
    a desktop interface? If so, I wonder how they acquire the rights to do that.


    no, it's an android VM
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  • From Mr. Cool@VERT/RETROARC to Poindexter Fortran on Tue Feb 9 19:38:08 2016
    Re: Anyone Run Android On the Desktop?
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Nightfox on Tue Feb 09 2016 06:30 am

    A desktop replacement phone that ran Windows apps would be intriguing. Pair with a bluetooth keyboard/mouse and HDMI monitor and you've got a one-stop solution for mobile and desktop.

    Canonical was was working on a similar idea for the ubuntu phone. The ubuntu on your phone would have a unity like interface that is optimized for phones, but if you plugged it into a dock with a monitor, it would come up as a normal desktop unity interface on the monitor.

    - Mr. Cool

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Wed Feb 10 06:00:00 2016
    Re: Anyone Run Android On the Desktop?
    By: Nightfox to Poindexter Fortran on Tue Feb 09 2016 08:27 am

    I heard about that. Something like that would be interesting. However, I'd think that it would be easy to start to rely on that as a main everyday computer, but I'm not sure I'd want to carry much of my personal data around in my pocket every day for fear it might be stolen.

    Cue Cloud Services. Microsoft would likely position it as a light system like their $200 Windows 10 laptops. OneDrive plus a 2GB wireless data plan would be ugly, though - they'd have to figure out a way to add several lyers of "Are You Sure (Y/n)" before onedrive worked over the cell network.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Mr. Cool on Wed Feb 10 16:55:05 2016
    Re: Anyone Run Android On the Desktop?
    By: Mr. Cool to Poindexter Fortran on Tue Feb 09 2016 07:38 pm


    Canonical was was working on a similar idea for the ubuntu phone. The ubuntu on your phone would have a unity like interface that is optimized
    for phones, but if you plugged it into a dock with a monitor, it would come up as a normal desktop unity interface on the monitor.



    yeah i was waiting for that but is it vaporware? that was about 2 years or more ago, right?
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  • From Vectorgamer@VERT/CAPSHRIL to ALL on Wed Feb 10 16:49:29 2016
    Re: Anyone Run Android On the Desktop?
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Nightfox on Wed Feb 10 2016 06:00 am

    like their $200 Windows 10 laptops. OneDrive plus a 2GB wireless data plan would be ugly, though - they'd have to figure out a way to add several lyers of "Are You Sure (Y/n)" before onedrive worked over the cell network.

    I just cancelled my sub to OneDrive. I was paying $2/mo for somewhere around 150-GB and I was using it mostly to backup my YouTube videos. Then I was closing in on running out of space and the next package up was $10/mo for Office 365 and 1-TB storage.

    I just moved all data off of OneDrive and onto Amazon. Amazon offers $60/yr for unlimited storage. I don't know if anyone else can beat that.

    I'll keep the OneDrive (I think you get 20 or 40-GB free) as a way to share files with others or amongst multiple devices.

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Vectorgamer on Wed Feb 10 18:18:22 2016
    Re: Anyone Run Android On the Desktop?
    By: Vectorgamer to ALL on Wed Feb 10 2016 04:49 pm

    I just cancelled my sub to OneDrive. I was paying $2/mo for somewhere around 150-GB and I was using it mostly to backup my YouTube videos. Then I was closing in on running out of space and the next package up was $10/mo for Office 365 and 1-TB storage.

    I had 2 years of 100 GB free (part of a Surface deal) that miraculously dissapeared and I went back down to 30 GB. No one on the CS side wanted to answer -- THe surface people transferred me to the OneDrive people, and vice versa. I think when they had the promotion to request that your free account stay at 30 gb instead of 15 gb after people got pissed, I signed up, wanting my account to stay at 30 after my subscription lapsed. They took that to mean I wanted to end my subscription a year early. Of course.

    I've been playing with BTSync -- don't need to share with others, just sync data across my own systems. I like having my data on multiple systems without putting it in the cloud.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Poindexter Fortran on Thu Feb 11 15:24:00 2016
    Poindexter Fortran wrote to Vectorgamer <=-

    I've been playing with BTSync -- don't need to share with others, just sync data across my own systems. I like having my data on multiple
    systems without putting it in the cloud.

    That sounds like exactly what I'm looking for. I have a lot of data I want to sync between local PCs without going via a cloud service, which would be a severe bottleneck, compared to the 100 Mbps wired LAN.
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  • From Mr. Cool@VERT/RETROARC to Mro on Wed Feb 10 19:23:30 2016
    Re: Anyone Run Android On the Desktop?
    By: Mro to Mr. Cool on Wed Feb 10 2016 04:55 pm

    Re: Anyone Run Android On the Desktop?
    By: Mr. Cool to Poindexter Fortran on Tue Feb 09 2016 07:38 pm


    Canonical was was working on a similar idea for the ubuntu phone. The ubuntu on your phone would have a unity like interface that is optimized for phones, but if you plugged it into a dock with a monitor, it would co up as a normal desktop unity interface on the monitor.



    yeah i was waiting for that but is it vaporware? that was about 2 years or m ago, right?

    Yes that would seem to be the case. I remember hearing that the ubuntu phones were quite expensive, and they most likely would not have had the horse power to run as a desktop at the time.

    - Mr. Cool

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Vk3jed on Thu Feb 11 07:12:35 2016
    Re: Anyone Run Android On the
    By: Vk3jed to Poindexter Fortran on Thu Feb 11 2016 03:24 pm

    That sounds like exactly what I'm looking for. I have a lot of data I want to sync between local PCs without going via a cloud service, which would be a severe bottleneck, compared to the 100 Mbps wired LAN.

    Definitely. I've got 22 gigs, over my LAN it takes about 5 minutes to sync - and doesn't cost anything.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Poindexter Fortran on Fri Feb 12 08:45:00 2016
    Poindexter Fortran wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    That sounds like exactly what I'm looking for. I have a lot of data I want to sync between local PCs without going via a cloud service, which would be a severe bottleneck, compared to the 100 Mbps wired LAN.

    Definitely. I've got 22 gigs, over my LAN it takes about 5 minutes to
    sync - and doesn't cost anything.

    I've probably got 10 times that to sync. :)
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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Vk3jed on Thu Feb 11 22:24:56 2016
    Re: Anyone Run Android On the
    By: Vk3jed to Poindexter Fortran on Fri Feb 12 2016 08:45 am

    Definitely. I've got 22 gigs, over my LAN it takes about 5 minutes
    to sync - and doesn't cost anything.

    I've probably got 10 times that to sync. :)

    Docs and photos only -- no media. :)

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  • From tracker1@VERT/TRNTEST to Vectorgamer on Fri Feb 12 20:07:01 2016
    I just moved all data off of OneDrive and onto Amazon. Amazon offers $60/yr for unlimited storage. I don't know if anyone else can beat that.

    I think the $60/yr service is heavily throttled, but still works well enough for most people.

    I'll keep the OneDrive (I think you get 20 or 40-GB free) as a way to
    share files with others or amongst multiple devices.

    I'm still getting by with my 9GB of dropbox mostly... There's a few things I absolutely don't want to lose, the rest is on my NAS, and that's too big to backup reasonably, short of another, bigger NAS.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Fri Feb 12 20:22:09 2016
    Re: Anyone Run Android On the Desktop?
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Tue Feb 09 2016 22:31:46

    Interesting.. Is it one group that's porting other peoples' Android
    software to
    a desktop interface? If so, I wonder how they acquire the rights to
    do that.

    no, it's an android VM

    To me, porting to a desktop app would imply re-writing the app as an actual desktop app rather than running the original in a VM (which is more along the lines of emulation)..

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Poindexter Fortran on Sat Feb 13 17:21:00 2016
    Poindexter Fortran wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I've probably got 10 times that to sync. :)

    Docs and photos only -- no media. :)

    I have a heap of home vids, mostly sporting stuff I've been involved in. :) I might be a computer geek, but also heavily into sporting participation. :)
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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to tracker1 on Sat Feb 13 09:06:36 2016
    Re: Re: Anyone Run Android On the Desktop?
    By: tracker1 to Vectorgamer on Fri Feb 12 2016 08:07 pm

    I'll keep the OneDrive (I think you get 20 or 40-GB free) as a way to
    share files with others or amongst multiple devices.

    15 GB, or 30 GB if you complained about their "unlimited" service.

    I'm still getting by with my 9GB of dropbox mostly... There's a few things I absolutely don't want to lose, the rest is on my NAS, and that's too big to backup reasonably, short of another, bigger NAS.

    I used Dropbox a lot until my company started blocking it at the firewall. I think I had 14 gb free or something like that. I used it primarily for the basic stuff I wanted to share between my laptops and my desktop. BTSync works pretty well for that now.

    What we need is a meta filesystem that ties all of these gigs here, gigs there, and smb shares and local storage into one virtual file system.

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  • From tracker1@VERT/TRNTEST to Nightfox on Sat Feb 13 16:46:02 2016
    no, it's an android VM

    To me, porting to a desktop app would imply re-writing the app as an actual desktop app rather than running the original in a VM (which is more along
    the lines of emulation)..

    Android is pretty much Java with extra APIs... so not a really huge deal. As to running android apps on a desktop, if they're already setup to scale from phone to tablet (as some are better than others), desktop isn't much of a stretch... the gmail app for example, judging from phone to desktop would be serviceable... some better than others.

    Many apps, beyond that are using cordova, or similar and are really web apps that could just as easily be wrapped up for desktop via nwjs, electron or similar. That would probably be the route I would take for most apps that don't need heavy 3D or interaction.
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  • From tracker1@VERT/TRNTEST to Poindexter Fortran on Sat Feb 13 16:55:32 2016
    I used Dropbox a lot until my company started blocking it at the
    firewall.
    I think I had 14 gb free or something like that. I used it primarily for
    the basic stuff I wanted to share between my laptops and my desktop.
    BTSync works pretty well for that now.

    What we need is a meta filesystem that ties all of these gigs here, gigs there, and smb shares and local storage into one virtual file system.

    That would be hard to do... local redundancy over a lan is usually an order
    of magnitude faster than over the network, let alone what is in an install,
    vs. what is after (for system backups) vs. file shares, larger local
    storage vs. smaller laptop storage, and other pieces fall into it... It's a tough problem to solve like that.

    "Backup everything, everywhere" isn't a realistic option... I have over 6TB
    of video, and about 1TB of that would be difficult to get again. The music
    I have might be harder, but honestly less of a loss to me at this point.
    1-2GB I have in dropbox is mostly critical (also synced to one drive, and google drive), another 2-3 gb in dropbox is all about convenience.

    Everything else is somewhere in between... I'd like to curate a lot of
    older stuff I have and get them into github repos, simply for
    preservation... I've done that with a few things.

    Harder still is variance to remote stores... I'm considering setting up a
    fuse connection to s3, then having that shared via smb/cifs for my local network to use as a target for storage, most of which would be hard
    archives. Sorting through the crap is the hardest part... and
    missing/tossing somethign important is a hard lesson (learned several
    times).
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to tracker1 on Sat Feb 13 16:33:51 2016
    Re: Re: Anyone Run Android On the Desktop?
    By: tracker1 to Nightfox on Sat Feb 13 2016 16:46:02

    To me, porting to a desktop app would imply re-writing the app as an
    actual desktop app rather than running the original in a VM (which is
    more along the lines of emulation)..

    Android is pretty much Java with extra APIs... so not a really huge deal.

    Yeah.. I've done some work on Android apps.. Google added some APIs for use on Android devices.

    As to running android apps on a desktop, if they're already setup to scale from phone to tablet (as some are better than others), desktop isn't much of a stretch... the gmail app for example, judging from phone to desktop would be serviceable... some better than others.

    Yeah, if the desktop machine is running Android then it wouldn't be a big deal. I guess that's true, "porting" to desktop could just mean making changes to work with a desktop system, even in the same OS..

    Nightfox

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to tracker1 on Mon Feb 15 08:34:39 2016
    Re: Re: Anyone Run Android On the Desktop?
    By: tracker1 to Poindexter Fortran on Sat Feb 13 2016 04:55 pm

    Harder still is variance to remote stores... I'm considering setting up a fuse connection to s3, then having that shared via smb/cifs for my local network to use as a target for storage, most of which would be hard archives. Sorting through the crap is the hardest part... and missing/tossing somethign important is a hard lesson (learned several times).

    My backup strategy is pretty bad, usually consists of a full file backup every 6 months or so along with the data that changes sitting on a couple of systems and the cloud via a sync tool.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Poindexter Fortran on Mon Feb 15 16:45:32 2016
    Re: Re: Anyone Run Android On the Desktop?
    By: Poindexter Fortran to tracker1 on Mon Feb 15 2016 08:34 am

    My backup strategy is pretty bad, usually consists of a full file backup every 6 months or so along with the data that changes sitting on a couple
    of systems and the cloud via a sync tool.


    why is it so bad? i thought you were head IT for all these big companies.

    i'm a factory worker and i backup my stuff every week.
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