• BBSes, the internet and control?

    From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to All on Fri Dec 1 21:02:49 2017
    In all this talk about the early days where BBSes were overtaken by the internet in 1995, has anyone thought about the fact that you could log in once to your ISP, then never have to deal with control freaks asking for real names, birthdays, mailing addresses, callback verifiers, no swearing rules, and complaining about you being a guest in their "house"?

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Dec 2 00:13:34 2017
    Re: BBSes, the internet and control?
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to All on Fri Dec 01 2017 09:02 pm

    In all this talk about the early days where BBSes were overtaken by the internet in 1995, has anyone thought about the fact that you could log in once to your ISP, then never have to deal with control freaks asking for real names, birthdays, mailing addresses, callback verifiers, no swearing rules, and complaining about you being a guest in their "house"?

    You called some shitty BBSes if that was your experience.

    While yes, some did insist on callback verifiers, real names, etc, but them were the rules. All the Sysops in my area were friendly and happy to chat with their users. They went out of their way to accomodate them, making changes and implementing things when asked.

    The BBSes you described got no callers and disappeared after a short time online.

    DaiTengu

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Dec 2 10:06:16 2017
    Re: BBSes, the internet and control?
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to All on Fri Dec 01 2017 09:02 pm

    In all this talk about the early days where BBSes were overtaken by the internet in 1995, has anyone thought about the fact that you could log in once to your ISP, then never have to deal with control freaks asking for real names, birthdays, mailing addresses, callback verifiers, no swearing rules, and complaining about you being a guest in their "house"?



    i dont think people were so guarded about their information. i dont think what you are bringing up is the problem. i remember during that time period people wanted email to be able to email anybody in the world. that was one thing i heard from users.

    i dont feel you can really compare bbses with the web back then. i think the web was just something new to most people and they were into it. i had people who called both bbses and used the internet.

    i do however think that sysops not adapting and meeting up with some of what the web and internet offered contributed to bbses' downfall.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sat Dec 2 10:23:00 2017
    In all this talk about the early days where BBSes were overtaken by the >internet in 1995, has anyone thought about the fact that you could log in once >to your ISP, then never have to deal with control freaks asking for real names,
    birthdays, mailing addresses, callback verifiers, no swearing rules, and >complaining about you being a guest in their "house"?

    I am pretty certain when I signed up for Internet service, they had all of
    that info about me, as well as my credit card and/or banking info, when I
    first signed up. I think a lot of folks seem to conveniently forget that
    you give them the same info, and then some, when you sign up.

    Now, there were no callback verifiers (didn't need them if they had your payment info), and no "no swearing" rules that I remember, but they had
    more personal info about me than I ever asked for as a sysop.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to DaiTengu on Mon Dec 4 09:58:56 2017
    Re: BBSes, the internet and control?
    By: DaiTengu to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Dec 02 2017 12:13 am

    In all this talk about the early days where BBSes were overtaken by
    the internet in 1995, has anyone thought about the fact that you
    could log in once to your ISP, then never have to deal with control
    freaks asking for real names, birthdays, mailing addresses, callback
    verifiers, no swearing rules, and complaining about you being a
    guest in their "house"?

    You called some shitty BBSes if that was your experience.

    I this he was possibly being sarcastic. There has been some discussion on Dove-Net recently about whether sysops really need to ask peoples' real names, birthdays, etc. particularly with an internet BBS, as well as mention of BBS users being a "guest in their house".

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Mon Dec 4 10:00:59 2017
    Re: BBSes, the internet and control?
    By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Dec 02 2017 10:06 am

    i do however think that sysops not adapting and meeting up with some of what the web and internet offered contributed to bbses' downfall.

    At some point though, I think it just made more sense for people to just use the internet for what it offered rather than use internet features through a BBS.

    Nightfox

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  • From Tiny@VERT/PHARCYDE to Nightfox on Tue Dec 5 12:24:34 2017
    Quoting Nightfox to DaiTengu <=-

    discussion on Dove-Net recently about whether sysops really need to ask peoples' real names, birthdays, etc. particularly with an internet BBS,

    I ask for "A Real Name" - anything that sounds like a real name, but only
    if you want access to fightonet. If you don't, you don't have to provide
    it. I could care less. ;)

    Shawn

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Tue Dec 5 09:26:34 2017
    Re: BBSes, the internet and control?
    By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Mon Dec 04 2017 09:58 am

    I this he was possibly being sarcastic. There has been some discussion on Dove-Net recently about whether sysops really need to ask peoples' real names, birthdays, etc. particularly with an internet BBS, as well as mention of BBS users being a "guest in their house".

    No sarcasm this time, although you'd be safe to bet on sarcasm with my posts.

    In the 80s and 90s, BBSes in 415 fell into a couple of buckets. There were the "My House" boards with callback verifiers, rules, and authoritarian sysops. Some of those were multi-line subscription BBSes. There were the deep underground boards with NUPs, and the stealthy boards where you'd have an upright looking BBS with messages and shareware - unless you knew the 1337 password.

    The BBSes that were trying to be a business, and BBSes with callback verifiers and "not in my house" sysops went first.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Tiny on Tue Dec 5 09:36:50 2017
    Re: BBSes, the internet and control?
    By: Tiny to Nightfox on Tue Dec 05 2017 12:24 pm

    I ask for "A Real Name" - anything that sounds like a real name, but only if you want access to fightonet. If you don't, you don't have to provide it. I could care less. ;)

    Back in the 90s, Fidonet in the San Francisco bay area was booming - there were hundreds of boards in the net list. We had a political quagmire over bringing echomail into the area, and the NEC appeared to be making a profit on the cost recovery efforts to download echomail.

    Then, he wanted the net to pay for a dedicated PC and high-speed modem "for the network".

    The netop for one of my othernets went by a handle on the othernets and his real name on Fidonet. He ran a work BBS under his real name and another BBS under the handle.

    He passed echomail from his work board to the othernet board, and the Echo Nazi accused him of circumventing the cost recovery program and threatening the good of the network.

    I don't think we ever broke the news to him that they were the same person.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 5 12:36:08 2017
    Re: BBSes, the internet and control?
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Tue Dec 05 2017 09:26 am

    No sarcasm this time, although you'd be safe to bet on sarcasm with my posts.

    In the 80s and 90s, BBSes in 415 fell into a couple of buckets. There were the "My House" boards with callback verifiers, rules, and authoritarian sysops. Some of those were multi-line subscription BBSes. There were the deep underground boards with NUPs, and the stealthy boards where you'd have an upright looking BBS with messages and shareware - unless you knew the 1337 password.

    The BBSes that were trying to be a business, and BBSes with callback verifiers and "not in my house" sysops went first.

    I can sort of understand the "my house" argument, but at the same time, I don't. They haven't actually entered your house, they're basically just using a server machine you have set up. These days especially, a BBS doesn't really even need to be physically located in your house - It could be hosted somewhere. You never hear about people with web sites talking about the visitirs being in their house.

    Nightfox

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  • From Tiny@VERT/PHARCYDE to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Dec 6 11:11:44 2017
    Quoting poindexter FORTRAN to Tiny <=-

    Then, he wanted the net to pay for a dedicated PC and high-speed modem "for the network".

    I've heard of that as well. We did spend money on the planet connect
    hardware and over time when I got that position it ended up on the roof
    of my house as well. LOL Far as I know it's still there today (I moved
    years ago)

    I don't think we ever broke the news to him that they were the same person.

    LOL.

    Shawn

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  • From Hustler@VERT/DMINE to Nightfox on Sat Dec 9 10:29:55 2017
    Re: BBSes, the internet and control?
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 05 2017 12:36 pm

    In the 80s and 90s, BBSes in 415 fell into a couple of buckets.
    There were the "My House" boards with callback verifiers, rules, and
    authoritarian sysops. Some of those were multi-line subscription

    I can sort of understand the "my house" argument, but at the same time, I don't. They haven't actually entered your house, they're basically just

    Back then a "Handle" meant something. Today all you have is a user name which can be changed, deleted, never used so everybody is a nobody.

    HusTler

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