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    From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to All on Sun May 19 18:14:00 2013
    I saw the new Star Trek: Into Darkness today. I was still somewhat skeptical of the J.J. Abrams alternate Trek universe, but taking this movie for what it is, I really enjoyed it. I might even say it's a little better than the previous Star Trek movie, and they paid homage to classic Star Trek. I'll leave it at that, because if I say more, I may reveal spoilers. If you don't mind the J.J. Abrams alternate Star Trek universe, I'd recommend it.

    Nightfox

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  • From the doctor@VERT/QBBS to NIGHTFOX on Mon May 20 10:43:00 2013
    --- NIGHTFOX wrote --
    I saw the new Star Trek: Into Darkness today. I was still somewhat skepti
    of the J.J. Abrams alternate Trek universe, but taking this movie for what is, I really enjoyed it. I might even say it's a little better than th previous Star Trek movie, and they paid homage to classic Star Trek. I'l leave it at that, because if I say more, I may reveal spoilers. If you do mind the J.J. Abrams alternate Star Trek universe, I'd recommend it



    I haven't seen it yet (am going for my birthday on the 25th) but I'm concerned about this "homage" stuff. I'm not spoiler adverse, so I know what this "homage" is.

    You'd think the whole point of this time warp reboot would be to allow new stories to be told... anyway... I'll reserve judgement until I see it.


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  • From Tech-D@VERT/DOS to the doctor on Mon May 20 08:29:59 2013
    Re: Star Trek: Into Darkness
    By: the doctor to NIGHTFOX on Mon May 20 2013 10:43 am

    You'd think the whole point of this time warp reboot would be to allow new stories to be told... anyway... I'll reserve judgement until I see it.

    A good friend and I went and saw it on Friday, we both don't see eye to eye on some movies but we both enjoyed it. It was worth going to see.

    Just my $.02,
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  • From the doctor@VERT/QBBS to TECH-D on Mon May 20 14:59:00 2013
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    Re: Star Trek: Into Darknes
    By: the doctor to NIGHTFOX on 36

    A good friend and I went and saw it on Friday, we both don't see eye to ey some movies but we both enjoyed it. It was worth going to see

    I'm sure I'll enjoy it. I enjoyed the last one, mainly due to the casting I think... they really got the characters right..


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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to Nightfox on Mon May 20 08:46:48 2013
    Re: Star Trek: Into Darkness
    By: Nightfox to All on Sun May 19 2013 06:14 pm

    I saw the new Star Trek: Into Darkness today. I was still somewhat skeptical of the J.J. Abrams alternate Trek universe, but taking this movie for what it is, I really enjoyed it. I might even say it's a little better than the previous Star Trek movie, and they paid homage to classic Star Trek. I'll leave it at that, because if I say more, I may reveal spoilers. If you don't mind the J.J. Abrams alternate Star Trek universe, I'd recommend it.

    Dude, JJ is the man. I had zero doubt the movie would be great. I'm sure lots will disagree, but when I saw the "other" ship in this movie I actually leaned back in my seat. I wish I had seen this on XD I might of jumped into my wife's seat.

    Simon Pegg should get best supporting actor. Just saying.
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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to the doctor on Mon May 20 08:56:40 2013
    Re: Star Trek: Into Darkness
    By: the doctor to NIGHTFOX on Mon May 20 2013 10:43 am

    --- NIGHTFOX wrote --
    I saw the new Star Trek: Into Darkness today. I was still somewhat
    -blah blah blah-

    I haven't seen it yet (am going for my birthday on the 25th) but I'm concerned about this "homage" stuff. I'm not spoiler adverse, so I know what this "homage" is.

    You'd think the whole point of this time warp reboot would be to allow new
    stories to be told... anyway... I'll reserve judgement until I see it.

    This movie is about as homage as Apple pie is an homage to Keylime pie, both great pies, but nowhere near the same.

    Great, now I want keylime pie...

    I think you'll enjoy the movie if you stay away from ANY spoilers. I'd tell you to completely forget the original movies, but I think most of the fun is recalling the past when the new movie plays out. The first thing I did when I got home was loaded Netflix and put on the original films. We've come so far in such a short time in movie making. Quite amazing.

    Go, have fun, see it in 3D, find the biggest screen in town with the best sound system.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to the doctor on Mon May 20 19:49:47 2013
    Re: Star Trek: Into Darkness
    By: the doctor to NIGHTFOX on Mon May 20 2013 10:43:00

    You'd think the whole point of this time warp reboot would be to allow new stories to be told... anyway... I'll reserve judgement until I see it.

    That's what I thought as well, but at the same time, they're likely to encounter some of the same things again since they're basically the same characters in the same universe. On the other hand, I hope they simply don't simply re-make all of the old Star Trek movies.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to the doctor on Mon May 20 19:50:22 2013
    Re: Star Trek: Into Darkness
    By: the doctor to TECH-D on Mon May 20 2013 14:59:00

    I'm sure I'll enjoy it. I enjoyed the last one, mainly due to the casting I think... they really got the characters right..

    I agree. They've done a good job with the characters.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Android8675 on Mon May 20 19:52:29 2013
    Re: Star Trek: Into Darkness
    By: Android8675 to Nightfox on Mon May 20 2013 08:46:48

    Dude, JJ is the man. I had zero doubt the movie would be great. I'm sure lots will disagree, but when I saw the "other" ship in this movie I actually leaned back in my seat. I wish I had seen this on XD I might of jumped into my wife's seat.

    I saw it at an XD showing, and although it looked great, I'm sure it still looked great on a standard-definition movie screen. It has to look good anyway, since a theater screen is many times bigger than the TVs we use at home to watch blu-ray movies. :)

    I'm still not sure if I agree with the reboot strategy they've done with these movies, but I still have really enjoyed them.

    Nightfox

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  • From Dreamer@VERT/SETXBBS to the doctor on Mon May 20 19:52:00 2013
    the doctor wrote to TECH-D <=-

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    Re: Star Trek: Into Darknes
    By: the doctor to NIGHTFOX on 36

    A good friend and I went and saw it on Friday, we both don't see eye to ey some movies but we both enjoyed it. It was worth going to see

    I'm sure I'll enjoy it. I enjoyed the last one, mainly due to the
    casting I think... they really got the characters right..

    As an action flick, it's really good.

    I do wish they'd get a bit more back to classic Trek...needs a little
    more storytelling and character drama.

    I have some pretty big nitpicks about this latest Trek, but I'll
    reserve them until most everyone has seen it. :)


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  • From Kirkman@VERT/GUARDIAN to Nightfox on Tue May 21 14:41:38 2013
    Re: Star Trek: Into Darkness
    By: Nightfox to All on Sun May 19 2013 06:14 pm

    I saw the new Star Trek: Into Darkness today. I was still somewhat skeptical of the J.J. Abrams alternate Trek universe, but taking this movie for what it is, I really enjoyed it. I might even say it's a little better than the previous Star Trek movie, and they paid homage to classic Star Trek. I'll leave it at that, because if I say more, I may reveal spoilers.

    I agree overall. The new Trek is not "true" Trek to me. It's not very literate,
    and doesn't have much to say about issues in the way the Trek TV series all did.

    But the new films have their own merits. The action is compelling, it's emotional, it's entertaining. In many ways Abrams' version of Trek is a lot more like classic Star Wars.

    I was honestly surprised by the twists in the new movie. And I liked the film a
    lot overall. I went with my wife, who did not grow up a Star Trek fan, but who liked the first one. She decidedly did *not* like the twists in the film, which
    really surprised me. she's a big Cumberbatch fan, but she just felt let down by
    the movie.

    I chalk that up to her spending way too much time analyzing all the trailers, reading all the rumors, etc, during the months before the film. I tried to stay
    away from all that to avoid spoiling anything.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Kirkman on Tue May 21 20:38:10 2013
    Re: Star Trek: Into Darkness
    By: Kirkman to Nightfox on Tue May 21 2013 14:41:38

    I agree overall. The new Trek is not "true" Trek to me. It's not very literate, and doesn't have much to say about issues in the way the Trek TV series all did.

    But the new films have their own merits. The action is compelling, it's emotional, it's entertaining. In many ways Abrams' version of Trek is a lot more like classic Star Wars.

    I generally agree. It's good in its own ways, but I also miss classic Star Trek. However, even though J.J. Abrams Trek seems different, his two Trek movies so far do seem similar to the older Star Trek movies with Kirk's crew - Those movies often had Kirk and his crew going out on some wild adventure, sometimes breaking the rules, and having a good time - not always going deeply into issues, but arguably more so than J.J. Abrams' movies have so far.

    I think my favorite Star Trek is still with Picard and his crew and that era of Star Trek. I liked Picard's philosophical viewpoints and the fact that he always tried to do the right thing. Also, I thought some of the technological things from that era were fairly cool too (holodecks, replicators, ship designs, etc.).

    Nightfox

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  • From art@VERT/FATCATS to Nightfox on Wed May 22 15:16:15 2013
    Re: Star Trek: Into Darkness
    By: Nightfox to Kirkman on Tue May 21 2013 20:38:10

    Ahoy NF,

    I think my favorite Star Trek is still with Picard and his crew and that
    era of Star Trek. I liked Picard's philosophical viewpoints and the fact that he always tried to do the right thing. Also, I thought some of the technological things from that era were fairly cool too (holodecks, replicators, ship designs, etc.).

    The United Federation of Planets was at it's prime during the TNG era, in my opinion. The issues that TNG tackled like racism, war, sexual preference, religion, were all done well and handled gracefully, as compared with TOS (IMHO, of course).

    It had grown out of the cowboys and wild-west era of TOS into something really reflective of how (I think) we should aspire towards: humanitarian aid, equal rights, and non-intervention where appropriate.

    That is why I also prefer TNG over any other ST series.

    On another note I'm watching some of the Blu Ray episodes and while the detail is incredible, you start seeing how crap some of the props actually were--I think I prefer watching TNG on their original form at TV resolutions.

    Make it so,

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to art on Wed May 22 07:47:20 2013
    Re: Star Trek: Into Darkness
    By: art to Nightfox on Wed May 22 2013 15:16:15

    The United Federation of Planets was at it's prime during the TNG era, in my opinion. The issues that TNG tackled like racism, war, sexual preference, religion, were all done well and handled gracefully, as compared with TOS (IMHO, of course).

    It had grown out of the cowboys and wild-west era of TOS into something really reflective of how (I think) we should aspire towards: humanitarian aid, equal rights, and non-intervention where appropriate.

    I agree, and I think that was Gene Roddenberry's vision all along and represented Star Trek at its best.

    On another note I'm watching some of the Blu Ray episodes and while the detail is incredible, you start seeing how crap some of the props actually were--I think I prefer watching TNG on their original form at TV resolutions.

    That's understandable. I stil prefer the blu-ray versions though. It really looks great, and I think they did a very good job of making it look as good as possible for today's high-definition screens. It still appears grainy in some scenes, but I suppose you can't really expect too much from scanning 25-year-old film.

    Also, I think some of the props look silly whether they're in high-definition or not. I don't remember if it was in the finale episode (All Good Things..) or the movie Generations, but I remember a scene where they had what looked like an old computer terminal on the bridge of the Enterprise - Something like this computer:
    http://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/terminal.jpg
    I thought it was funny to see something so out of place.

    Nightfox

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  • From the doctor@VERT/QBBS to ANDROID8675 on Wed May 22 16:12:00 2013
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    Great, now I want keylime pie..

    Damn, so do I, and I have diabetes! Damn it!


    I think you'll enjoy the movie if you stay away from ANY spoilers. I'd tel
    to completely forget the original movies, but I think most of the fun i recalling the past when the new movie plays out. The first thing I did whe got home was loaded Netflix and put on the original films. We've come so f such a short time in movie making. Quite amazing

    I'm sure I will. Any Doctor Who fans about? I really enjoyed the season ending episode...

    Go, have fun, see it in 3D, find the biggest screen in town with the best system - Andy/Android867

    I'll go to Blackburn to watch it...


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  • From the doctor@VERT/QBBS to KIRKMAN on Wed May 22 16:16:00 2013
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    I agree overall. The new Trek is not "true" Trek to me. It's not very lite and doesn't have much to say about issues in the way the Trek TV series al did

    My 14 year old son said, "they've taken something thoughful and turned it into an action movie."


    That was from having watched the trailers. I think the real issue is that this is meant to be a TV show. If you make a series of films, the temtation will always be there to have a bigger and bigger show, and a bigger and bigger cartoon villian.

    I like both action movies and thoughtful stuff, so I think I'll be okay. (;


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  • From First Officer@VERT/HOLODECK to art on Sat May 25 12:09:53 2013
    Re: Star Trek: Into Darkness
    By: art to Nightfox on Wed May 22 2013 03:16 pm

    The United Federation of Planets was at it's prime during the TNG era, in
    my opinion. The issues that TNG tackled like racism, war, sexual
    preference, religion, were all done well and handled gracefully, as
    compared with TOS (IMHO, of course).

    Just saw a special the other day about all the trek captains from TOS-Enterprise + New Kirk. It said that in the begining, TOS Roddenberry had to
    sneak that stuff in. Networks wanted to make it a Wagon Train in space. He was the one who while doing the show, wanted to bring the issues to bear, into the show. Since it was an unproven show he had to be careful. By the time he got into TNG, he had much more control on what was being done and how it was brought up and was not worrying so much, in fact as You said, he enhanced the bringing forth of these type of issues. He could be preachy without anybody even knowing it ;-)


    Have a good One!
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to First Officer on Wed May 29 19:25:39 2013
    Re: Star Trek: Into Darkness
    By: First Officer to art on Sat May 25 2013 12:09:53

    Just saw a special the other day about all the trek captains from TOS-Enterprise + New Kirk. It said that in the begining, TOS Roddenberry had to sneak that stuff in. Networks wanted to make it a Wagon Train in space. He was the one who while doing the show, wanted to bring the issues to bear, into the show. Since it was an unproven show he had to be careful. By the time he got into TNG, he had much more control on what was being done and how it was brought up and was not worrying so much, in fact as You said, he enhanced the bringing forth of these type of issues. He could be preachy without anybody even knowing it ;-)

    One thing I've heard that I thought was interesting is that Gene Roddenberry started to take a step back starting with season 3 of The Next Generation, letting Rick Berman, Michael Piller, and Jeri Taylor have more control of the show. And it happens that season 3 was when The Next Generation started to hit its stride and become a really interesting & good show. I always did think that the first 2 seasons of The Next Generation weren't that great and the show started to improve in season 3, but I never knew why until I read that.

    Nightfox

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  • From the doctor@VERT/QBBS to NIGHTFOX on Fri Jun 14 08:49:00 2013
    --- NIGHTFOX wrote --

    One thing I've heard that I thought was interesting is that Gene Roddenber started to take a step back starting with season 3 of The Next Generation letting Rick Berman, Michael Piller, and Jeri Taylor have more control of show. And it happens that season 3 was when The Next Generation started t its stride and become a really interesting & good show. I always did thin that the first 2 seasons of The Next Generation weren't that great and the started to improve in season 3, but I never knew why until I read that

    I recommend you read:


    Gene Roddenberry: The Myth and the Man Behind Star Trek (Joel Engle)

    and

    Inside Star Trek: The Real Story (Herb Solow and Bob Justman)



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  • From Lord Time@VERT/TIME to the doctor on Fri Jun 14 11:12:00 2013
    In a reply from the doctor on 08:49 about Star Trek: Into Darkness

    One thing I've heard that I thought was interesting is that Gene Roddenber started to take a step back starting with season 3 of The Next Generation letting Rick Berman, Michael Piller, and Jeri Taylor have more control of show. And it happens that season 3 was when The Next Generation started t its stride and become a really interesting & good show. I always did thin that the first 2 seasons of The Next Generation weren't that great and the started to improve in season 3, but I never knew why until I read that

    I recommend you read:


    Gene Roddenberry: The Myth and the Man Behind Star Trek (Joel Engle)

    and

    Inside Star Trek: The Real Story (Herb Solow and Bob Justman)

    well I just look them up (over on b & n web site), there in paper & hard bound copy, no nook (e-book)

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  • From Tark@VERT/BLUELOBS to First Officer on Wed Jul 10 11:38:31 2013
    Re: Star Trek: Into Darkness
    By: First Officer to art on Sat May 25 2013 12:09 pm

    Just saw a special the other day about all the trek captains from TOS-Enterprise + New Kirk. It said that in the begining, TOS Roddenberry had sneak that stuff in. Networks wanted to make it a Wagon Train in space. He w the one who while doing the show, wanted to bring the issues to bear, into t show. Since it was an unproven show he had to be careful. By the time he got into TNG, he had much more control on what was being done and how it was brought up and was not worrying so much, in fact as You said, he enhanced th bringing forth of these type of issues. He could be preachy without anybody even knowing it ;-)

    Compare the interracial kiss in Star Trek TOS to the relationship between
    Spock and Uhura in the JJ Abrams movies. Kirk and Uhura only kiss under
    duress in TOS and neither enjoys it. In the new movie, Spock, who only
    get in heat every 9 years) appears to be feeling no pain.

    About TOS: I read a book called The Making of Star Trek back in the
    1970s. All I remember from it was that Star Trek was sold to network TV
    as Wagon Train in the stars and that the Enterprise was originally
    conceived upsidedown, but they thought it looked better when they turned
    it over. The saucer was originally underneath.

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Tark on Thu Jul 11 13:51:18 2013
    Re: Star Trek: Into Darkness
    By: Tark to First Officer on Wed Jul 10 2013 11:38 am

    Compare the interracial kiss in Star Trek TOS to the relationship between Spock and Uhura in the JJ Abrams movies. Kirk and Uhura only kiss under duress in TOS and neither enjoys it.

    After re-watching it, I don't think they actually KISS! Kirk turns Uhura away from the camera.

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  • From Tark@VERT/BLUELOBS to Poindexter Fortran on Fri Jul 12 17:33:19 2013
    Re: Star Trek: Into Darkness
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Tark on Thu Jul 11 2013 01:51 pm

    Re: Star Trek: Into Darkness
    By: Tark to First Officer on Wed Jul 10 2013 11:38 am

    Compare the interracial kiss in Star Trek TOS to the relationship betwee Spock and Uhura in the JJ Abrams movies. Kirk and Uhura only kiss under duress in TOS and neither enjoys it.

    After re-watching it, I don't think they actually KISS! Kirk turns Uhura awa from the camera.


    You're right. They might not have.

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