• Favorite Movie Genre

    From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to All on Thu Jul 6 17:20:23 2017
    Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: KK4QBN to on Thu Jan 12 2017 18:35:42

    What is your favorite Movie Genre?

    1: Action
    2: Animation
    3: Comedy
    4: Family
    5: Horror
    6: Musical
    7: Romance
    8: War
    9: Adventure
    10: Biography
    11: Crime
    12: Drama
    13: Fantasy
    14: SCI-FI WINNER!!
    15: Thriller

    Sci-Fi won by a landslide with 72%!

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Fri Jul 7 08:51:00 2017
    KK4QBN wrote to All <=-

    Sci-Fi won by a landslide with 72%!

    And the industry hasn't been doing SF series well lately. The Expanse is a refreshing change - a new series that's actually quite good. As for movies, there's been some good SF and a lot of crap lately.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Thu Jul 6 17:13:55 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Fri Jul 07 2017 08:51 am

    And the industry hasn't been doing SF series well lately. The Expanse is a refreshing change - a new series that's actually quite good. As for movies, there's been some good SF and a lot of crap lately.

    I wouldn't mind seeing a good sci-fi TV show, but indeed, I haven't seen many of those lately. I used to like Star Trek when it was on TV (The Next Generation was my favorite), and more recently I watched Fringe on Netflix and enjoyed that. But otherwise, it seems like sci-fi has dropped off in recent years. I suppose it would have to be because there are fewer people who enjoy sci-fi TV these days, but I'd be surprised if that was the case..

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  • From Deepthaw@VERT/DS94 to Vk3jed on Thu Jul 6 19:18:18 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Fri Jul 07 2017 08:51 am

    And the industry hasn't been doing SF series well lately. The Expanse is a refreshing change - a new series that's actually quite good. As for movies, there's been some good SF and a lot of crap lately.

    It's been a Sci-Fi rennaisance of late, IMHO. Moon, Source Code, District 9, Looper, Arrival, Gravity, Interstellar, the new Apes movies, just to name those that come to mind.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Fri Jul 7 11:47:00 2017
    Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I wouldn't mind seeing a good sci-fi TV show, but indeed, I haven't
    seen many of those lately. I used to like Star Trek when it was on TV

    Have you seen The Expanse? That is quite good. I'm looking forward to seeing season 3, the first 2 were awesome. I haven't seen Fringe, will have to see what that's about.

    (The Next Generation was my favorite), and more recently I watched
    Fringe on Netflix and enjoyed that. But otherwise, it seems like

    Star Trek was a classic. I've enjoyed all series, and looking forward to watching Discovery on Netflix.

    sci-fi has dropped off in recent years. I suppose it would have to be because there are fewer people who enjoy sci-fi TV these days, but I'd
    be surprised if that was the case..

    Seems the networks are trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator, and producing a lot of crap. But The Expanse was a welcome change from that trend.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Deepthaw on Fri Jul 7 12:45:00 2017
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    It's been a Sci-Fi rennaisance of late, IMHO. Moon, Source Code,
    District 9, Looper, Arrival, Gravity, Interstellar, the new Apes
    movies, just to name those that come to mind.

    Yeah, movies have done quite a bit better than series, it would seem.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Thu Jul 6 20:46:18 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Fri Jul 07 2017 11:47 am

    Have you seen The Expanse? That is quite good. I'm looking forward to seeing season 3, the first 2 were awesome.

    I haven't seen The Expanse. I might have to check it out..

    Star Trek was a classic. I've enjoyed all series, and looking forward to watching Discovery on Netflix.

    I'm curious to watch Discovery, but unfortunatley, I heard Netflix won't be carrying it in the US (where I live). If I want to watch it, I'd have to sign up for CBS All Access and pay about $6/month for that, which I'm not sure I want to do just for one show. I suppose I could probably find other ways to watch Discovery.. I wish they'd just show it on over-the-air TV like they did with all the other Star Trek TV shows. I don't mind having commercials so much.

    Also, I have mixed feelings about the direction they've taken with Star Trek. It seems they keep making prequels (and Discovery takes place before the original series). I'd like to see a new Star Trek show that takes place either after the events of Voyager and Nemesis, or perhaps covering some of the period between the original series and the Next Generation. There's about 70 years between the original series and the Next Generation, and they've only shown the Enterprise B and C each just once. It would be interesting to see more of either of those ships and their missions.

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to KK4QBN on Fri Jul 7 01:52:00 2017
    What is your favorite Movie Genre?

    Sci-Fi won by a landslide with 72%!

    I missed the poll, but my 2 favorites are "comedy" and "musical". My
    all time favorite has to be "The Music Man" with Robert Preston, Shirley
    Jones, Buddy Hackett, and an all star cast. That film was made nearly 60
    years ago, and it is still fun to watch. My favorite parts of it are
    "the members of the school board"...actually played by "The Buffalo
    Bills" Barbershop Quartet. I *LOVE* a cappella 4 part harmony.

    Daryl

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Fri Jul 7 16:22:00 2017
    Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I haven't seen The Expanse. I might have to check it out..

    Definitely worth watching. :)

    Star Trek was a classic. I've enjoyed all series, and looking forward to watching Discovery on Netflix.

    I'm curious to watch Discovery, but unfortunatley, I heard Netflix
    won't be carrying it in the US (where I live). If I want to watch it,
    I'd have to sign up for CBS All Access and pay about $6/month for that, which I'm not sure I want to do just for one show. I suppose I could probably find other ways to watch Discovery.. I wish they'd just show
    it on over-the-air TV like they did with all the other Star Trek TV
    shows. I don't mind having commercials so much.

    My pet peeve of the entertainment industry - it's all about the money. I have a suspicion piracy rated for Discovery will be higher in the US than anywhere else in the world. We'll get it on Netflix down here, and now that I have decent bandwidth, Netflix works for me. :) It's a bit strange being on the "good" side of a distribution decision, usually we're the worse off, often way behind US release dates or distribution.

    Also, I have mixed feelings about the direction they've taken with Star Trek. It seems they keep making prequels (and Discovery takes place
    before the original series). I'd like to see a new Star Trek show that takes place either after the events of Voyager and Nemesis, or perhaps covering some of the period between the original series and the Next Generation. There's about 70 years between the original series and the Next Generation, and they've only shown the Enterprise B and C each
    just once. It would be interesting to see more of either of those
    ships and their missions.

    Yes. Even continuong on from Enterprise would be interesting, because that series stopped just short of the Romulan war, which would have been interesting to see on the TV. But yes, you're right, there's a lot of untold stories between ToS and TNG, and no oubt more after TNG. I'd also like to see the alternate timeline of the newer (post 2009) movies "undone". :)


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Fri Jul 7 09:27:55 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Fri Jul 07 2017 04:22 pm

    Yes. Even continuong on from Enterprise would be interesting, because that series stopped just short of the Romulan war, which would have been interesting to see on the TV. But yes, you're right, there's a lot of untold stories between ToS and TNG, and no oubt more after TNG. I'd also like to see the alternate timeline of the newer (post 2009) movies "undone". :)

    Yeah, it would have been interesting to see more of Enterprise. I didn't like season 3 much, but I thought it got better again in season 4 and was fairly interesting. And I also wouldn't mind seeing the 2009+ timeline undone. I think those movies are fun to watch though, but I like classic Star Trek better. I don't think they needed to re-invent it. I suppose it's good for them to get a new fanbase, but it makes me wonder what was wrong with classic Star Trek to have made people lose interest in it (so they say). They could have also made movies with the Deep Space 9 and Voyager casts, but nope.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Sat Jul 8 08:57:00 2017
    Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Yeah, it would have been interesting to see more of Enterprise. I
    didn't like season 3 much, but I thought it got better again in season
    4 and was fairly interesting. And I also wouldn't mind seeing the

    I did like season 3, and the show really got going in season 4. But read some of the other Star Trek timeline documentation, and you will see that the Romulan war would have started in season 5 or 6 of Enterprise.

    2009+ timeline undone. I think those movies are fun to watch though,

    The first 2 were good as movies, but didn't feel like "Star Trek", except that the casting was done very well, to capture the essence of the original characters. Thought the last one was a bit "ho hum". Would have made a good TV episode, but wasn't really a movie. So not bad, but doesn't feel like Star Trek. Oh, and you can't kill off Vulcan! :D

    but I like classic Star Trek better. I don't think they needed to re-invent it. I suppose it's good for them to get a new fanbase, but
    it makes me wonder what was wrong with classic Star Trek to have made people lose interest in it (so they say). They could have also made movies with the Deep Space 9 and Voyager casts, but nope.

    I agree, I like the main timeline better too (TOS, etc), and DS9/Voyager movies would have been cool, especially with the end of the Dominion war, and Voyager back home, they could have combined forces with the knowledge and experiences gained from their combined experiences of the last decade or so.

    I don't think people lost interest in Star Trek, I think the studios wanted to grab the bigger "mainstream" market. Personally, I prefer some level of market segmentation. Quality sci fi will give reliable income for decades, fodder for the masses will fade away rapidly after a big initial bang.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Fri Jul 7 20:10:47 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sat Jul 08 2017 08:57 am

    The first 2 were good as movies, but didn't feel like "Star Trek", except that the casting was done very well, to capture the essence of the original characters. Thought the last one was a bit "ho hum". Would have made a good TV episode, but wasn't really a movie. So not bad, but doesn't feel like Star Trek. Oh, and you can't kill off Vulcan! :D

    Yeah, I think the casting is very good in the new Star Trek movies. And I agree about Vulcan - It seems strange to have a Star Trek without the Vulcan home world.

    I don't think people lost interest in Star Trek, I think the studios wanted to grab the bigger "mainstream" market. Personally, I prefer some level of market segmentation. Quality sci fi will give reliable income for decades, fodder for the masses will fade away rapidly after a big initial bang.

    That may be true..
    I like that they remastered Star Trek: The Next Generation in blu-ray - I think the show looks great in that format. I keep hoping that they'll do that to Voyager and Deep Space 9, but I've heard not enough people bought the Next Generation blu-rays for them to go ahead with DS9 and Voyager. I've also heard that the special effects in DS9 would be more difficult to duplicate/remaster for high definition.. It's a bummer to think that there might not be a
    blu-ray DS9 or Voyager. But then again, 4K video is available now too, and I wonder if they'd want to remaster things yet again for another high-definition format.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Sat Jul 8 18:13:00 2017
    Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Yeah, I think the casting is very good in the new Star Trek movies.
    And I agree about Vulcan - It seems strange to have a Star Trek without the Vulcan home world.

    Yep, I really enjoyed seeing the new casting in the movies, and no Vulcan is just plain wrong!

    I like that they remastered Star Trek: The Next Generation in blu-ray -
    I think the show looks great in that format. I keep hoping that

    We just saw that as a money grab for little effort, never bothered buying the remastered version. We have the original DVD release of the original 1960s version. Guess we're purists. :) I have seen some stills from the remastered TOS. They do look good and think I caught an episode on TV once, but not a compelling reason to buy them.

    they'll do that to Voyager and Deep Space 9, but I've heard not enough people bought the Next Generation blu-rays for them to go ahead with
    DS9 and Voyager. I've also heard that the special effects in DS9 would

    Yeah, multiple remasterings isn't really the way I want to go, as far as I'm concerned. I'm one for new stories.


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  • From Deepthaw@VERT/DS94 to Vk3jed on Sat Jul 8 09:53:39 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sat Jul 08 2017 06:13 pm

    We just saw that as a money grab for little effort, never bothered buying the remastered version. We have the original DVD release of the original 1960s version. Guess we're purists. :) I have seen some stills from the remastered TOS. They do look good and think I caught an episode on TV once, but not a compelling reason to buy them.

    The Star Trek TNG remaster is beautiful. They did a huge amount of work
    (they went back to the original film elements and redid a huge amount of the effects work.)

    Check out some of the remastered TNG episodes on Netflix, it's fantastic.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Sat Jul 8 10:16:07 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sat Jul 08 2017 06:13 pm

    I like that they remastered Star Trek: The Next Generation in
    blu-ray - I think the show looks great in that format. I keep
    hoping that

    We just saw that as a money grab for little effort, never bothered buying the remastered version. We have the original DVD release of the original 1960s version. Guess we're purists. :) I have seen some stills from the remastered TOS. They do look good and think I caught an episode on TV once, but not a compelling reason to buy them.

    I don't think it was little effort to make the remasters.. From what I heard, it sounded like it actually took quite a bit of work. I saw some info on the TNG high-def remaster, and they had to basically re-scan the original film in high definition (itself a fairly time-consuming task, as they'd have to re-scan each frame), and then they touched up the colors and also re-did some of the effects in some scenes - for instance, to make things like planets and phaser fire look better, etc.. I can imagine it would be fairly labor-intensive doing that frame by frame. I'm sure some computer automation was probably involved for some of it where possible though.

    Also, I didn't previously own any of it on DVD, so I figured I might as well buy the high-def versions. I do know someone who has TNG on DVD though, and one thing I've noticed about those particular DVDs is that on a modern wide-screen TV, the (square) picture is stretched out to fill the whole screen by default. It's still watchable, but it ends up stretching the image horizontally. You can change the TV setting to tell it you're watching a 4:3 image rather than 16:9, but you don't have to do that extra step with the blu-rays - The blu-rays default to showing you a 4:3 image even on a wide-screen 16:9 TV.

    Yeah, multiple remasterings isn't really the way I want to go, as far as I'm concerned. I'm one for new stories.

    I know what you mean.. Usually I'd rather not re-buy new remasters all the time, but I've noticed standard-definition content tends to look a little fuzzy on a high-definition TV. Sometimes it's nice to see even an older TV show with a sharp image quality.

    Nightfox

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Sat Jul 8 12:44:24 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Sat Jul 08 2017 10:16 am

    step with the blu-rays - The blu-rays default to showing you a 4:3 image even on a wide-screen 16:9 TV.

    I remember seeing this page - http://cargocollective.com/nickacosta/star-trek-in-cinerama

    Where they'd stitched together frames to make widescreen images of the old series -- very cool.

    I saw a youtube video talking about direction, camerawork and music on the original series; the one I saw focused on the "Doomsday Machine". great work. I wish I could find the link to it.

    Two things I remembered - one was that the music integrated into the plot - there was a Kirk Theme and a Decker theme, and the other bit was that they did some camerawork where Kirk and Spock walk around the bridge in a 60s walk and talk, and that was the first time they'd used a moving shot on the bridge.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Poindexter Fortran on Sat Jul 8 15:25:49 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Nightfox on Sat Jul 08 2017 12:44 pm

    I remember seeing this page - http://cargocollective.com/nickacosta/star-trek-in-cinerama

    Where they'd stitched together frames to make widescreen images of the old series -- very cool.

    That's pretty cool. I was reading some things about why they didn't convert TNG to widescreen, and one of the reasons was that the scenes generally weren't framed for widescreen. If they added in the extra part of film to make the image widescreen, many shots would show things such as camera equipment, boom mics, etc., which wouldn't be ideal. They could also crop off the top & bottom from the 4:3 image to make a widescreen image, but that would mean removing part of the picture, which isn't really ideal either. There has been a big fuss from some people about why the blu-ray TNG isn't widescreen, but really, we're still getting the best image possible due to how it was filmed.. And we're not really losing anything by having the 4:3 image - that's just how it always was.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Deepthaw on Sun Jul 9 08:29:00 2017
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    The Star Trek TNG remaster is beautiful. They did a huge amount of work (they went back to the original film elements and redid a huge amount
    of the effects work.)

    TNG? I know they remastered TOS, but wasn't aware of TNG. Well, I'd have to see if they're on Netflix here.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Sun Jul 9 08:34:00 2017
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    I don't think it was little effort to make the remasters.. From what I heard, it sounded like it actually took quite a bit of work. I saw
    some info on the TNG high-def remaster, and they had to basically
    re-scan the original film in high definition (itself a fairly time-consuming task, as they'd have to re-scan each frame), and then
    they touched up the colors and also re-did some of the effects in some scenes - for instance, to make things like planets and phaser fire look better, etc.. I can imagine it would be fairly labor-intensive doing
    that frame by frame. I'm sure some computer automation was probably involved for some of it where possible though.

    You're likely right, just there seems to be this lack of creativity in Hollywood in recent decades - reboots, remakes and remasters, mostly techical "upgrades", but no real new storytelling.

    Also, I didn't previously own any of it on DVD, so I figured I might as well buy the high-def versions. I do know someone who has TNG on DVD though, and one thing I've noticed about those particular DVDs is that
    on a modern wide-screen TV, the (square) picture is stretched out to
    fill the whole screen by default. It's still watchable, but it ends up stretching the image horizontally. You can change the TV setting to
    tell it you're watching a 4:3 image rather than 16:9, but you don't
    have to do that extra step with the blu-rays - The blu-rays default to showing you a 4:3 image even on a wide-screen 16:9 TV.

    We were early to get all DVDs. As for the aspect ration thing, that is your player. Older DVD players don't handle aspect ratio well, and stretch 4:3 to the whole screen. Blu-Ray players seem to be smarter, and will show a 4:3 DVD correctly, not just Blu-Ray discs.

    Yeah, multiple remasterings isn't really the way I want to go, as far as I'm concerned. I'm one for new stories.

    I know what you mean.. Usually I'd rather not re-buy new remasters all the time, but I've noticed standard-definition content tends to look a little fuzzy on a high-definition TV. Sometimes it's nice to see even
    an older TV show with a sharp image quality.

    I can live with that. Technology changes. Reminds me of the controversy of colouring black and white movies. :)


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Sat Jul 8 16:54:34 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sun Jul 09 2017 08:34 am

    I saw some info on the TNG high-def remaster, and they had to
    basically re-scan the original film in high definition (itself a
    fairly time-consuming task, as they'd have to re-scan each frame),
    and then they touched up the colors and also re-did some of the
    effects in some scenes - for instance, to make things like planets
    and phaser fire look better, etc.. I can imagine it would be fairly
    labor-intensive doing that frame by frame. I'm sure some computer
    automation was probably involved for some of it where possible
    though.

    You're likely right, just there seems to be this lack of creativity in Hollywood in recent decades - reboots, remakes and remasters, mostly techical "upgrades", but no real new storytelling.

    I agree that it's always good to have new storytelling. However, technology also progresses, and we have bigger & better TVs than we used to have. I think it's good to have my favorite content in a format that looks its best on today's technology.

    blu-rays - The blu-rays default to showing you a 4:3 image even on a
    wide-screen 16:9 TV.

    We were early to get all DVDs. As for the aspect ration thing, that is your player. Older DVD players don't handle aspect ratio well, and stretch 4:3 to the whole screen. Blu-Ray players seem to be smarter, and will show a 4:3 DVD correctly, not just Blu-Ray discs.

    I actually haven't tried many 4:3 DVDs with my blu-ray player.. I have a fairly recent blu-ray player that may in fact be smart about it, as you've pointed out..

    I can live with that. Technology changes. Reminds me of the controversy of colouring black and white movies. :)

    :) I think that's a slightly different debate.. I can see both sides of it too. A black & white video can be colorized any way they want - They could add really odd colors if they wanted to.. So in a way, I suppose colorizing could be potentially harmful. But if it's done with realistic colors, I suppose it would add an interesting element to a black & white movie. Sometimes in the past, I had tried watching black & white video for a while and then watching color, and it feels like night vs. day - So much difference to see something in color after seeing black & white for a while. It feels more complete, in a way..

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Deepthaw on Sun Jul 9 00:41:20 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Deepthaw to Vk3jed on Sat Jul 08 2017 09:53 am

    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sat Jul 08 2017 06:13 pm

    We just saw that as a money grab for little effort, never bothered buying the remastered version. We have the original DVD release of the original 1960s version. Guess we're purists. :) I have seen some stills from the remastered TOS. They do look good and think I caught an episode on TV once, but not a compelling reason to buy them.

    The Star Trek TNG remaster is beautiful. They did a huge amount of work (they went back to the original film elements and redid a huge amount of the effects work.)

    Check out some of the remastered TNG episodes on Netflix, it's fantastic.




    i dont care about the special effects or it looking better. maybe george lucas does.

    i care about the story.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Sun Jul 9 15:40:00 2017
    Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I agree that it's always good to have new storytelling. However, technology also progresses, and we have bigger & better TVs than we
    used to have. I think it's good to have my favorite content in a
    format that looks its best on today's technology.

    I'm not so fussed about the technology, it's the story that counts, and I like a lot of older movies that got it right with their story telling. Didn't matter that the effects were primitive or non existent, the story and the acting carried you with it. Bit like reading a good book. :)

    I actually haven't tried many 4:3 DVDs with my blu-ray player.. I have
    a fairly recent blu-ray player that may in fact be smart about it, as you've pointed out..

    That's certainly my experience. Sadly, seems the Blu-ray has died, or got its processing screwed up. It seems to not want to read any discs now. Was a sudden failure the other day. :(

    I can live with that. Technology changes. Reminds me of the controversy of colouring black and white movies. :)

    :) I think that's a slightly different debate.. I can see both sides
    of it too. A black & white video can be colorized any way they want - They could add really odd colors if they wanted to.. So in a way, I suppose colorizing could be potentially harmful. But if it's done with realistic colors, I suppose it would add an interesting element to a
    black & white movie. Sometimes in the past, I had tried watching black
    & white video for a while and then watching color, and it feels like
    night vs. day - So much difference to see something in color after
    seeing black & white for a while. It feels more complete, in a way..

    OTOH, a lot of the art in black and white was the lighting, which could create different effects in that medium. Can work both ways. :)


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  • From Deepthaw@VERT/DS94 to Mro on Sun Jul 9 01:34:30 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Mro to Deepthaw on Sun Jul 09 2017 12:41 am

    i dont care about the special effects or it looking better. maybe george lucas does.

    i care about the story.

    A lot of us enjoy the story in TNG enough that we like to watch it again. Having it available in a format that doesn't look bad on our HDTVs is just gravy.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Deepthaw on Sun Jul 9 20:07:00 2017
    Deepthaw wrote to Mro <=-

    i dont care about the special effects or it looking better. maybe george lucas does.

    i care about the story.

    A lot of us enjoy the story in TNG enough that we like to watch it
    again. Having it available in a format that doesn't look bad on our
    HDTVs is just gravy.

    I'm inclined to agree with Mro on this one. While effects are nice, the story is what matters to me, and I don't mind that older shows don't have the same resolution or effects as my TV. I'd rather see new stories created, than just making the old ones look better all the time.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Sun Jul 9 11:20:40 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to Deepthaw on Sun Jul 09 2017 08:07 pm

    i care about the story.

    A lot of us enjoy the story in TNG enough that we like to watch it
    again. Having it available in a format that doesn't look bad on our
    HDTVs is just gravy.

    I'm inclined to agree with Mro on this one. While effects are nice, the story is what matters to me, and I don't mind that older shows don't have the same resolution or effects as my TV. I'd rather see new stories created, than just making the old ones look better all the time.

    I do think the story is more important - but if the image quality can be improved to look better on modern equipment, why not? I think the medium/format of the story contributes to how the story is experienced. A book wouldn't need its picture enhanced because it has no picture, but for something made from the get-go to be watched on TV, I think the visuals carry some of the details that are part of the story - In this case, how the characters look, the overall look and design of the ships & technology, how the planets look, etc. Those are things that could be described if the show were in the form a book, but it's not; it's a TV show. So I think there is some merit to having it look as good as possible. The DVDs are watchable on a modern high-definition TV, but the high-definition remasters do look better.

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  • From Deepthaw@VERT/DS94 to Vk3jed on Sun Jul 9 11:44:16 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to Deepthaw on Sun Jul 09 2017 08:07 pm

    I'm inclined to agree with Mro on this one. While effects are nice, the story is what matters to me, and I don't mind that older shows don't have the same resolution or effects as my TV. I'd rather see new stories created, than just making the old ones look better all the time.

    I can definitely understand that sentiment, but I also have several younger friends who are watching Star Trek for the first time, and the improved picture quality definitely makes it easier for them to handle. I know the remaster piqued my interest enough to start rewatching TNG again from the beginning.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Sun Jul 9 17:04:57 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to Deepthaw on Sun Jul 09 2017 08:07 pm


    I'm inclined to agree with Mro on this one. While effects are nice, the story is what matters to me, and I don't mind that older shows don't have the same resolution or effects as my TV. I'd rather see new stories created, than just making the old ones look better all the time.



    when i saw the starwars movies remade and changed in the theaters, i came to the realization that i dont care about special effects at the cost of changing something that shouldnt be changed.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Deepthaw on Sun Jul 9 17:06:09 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Deepthaw to Vk3jed on Sun Jul 09 2017 11:44 am

    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to Deepthaw on Sun Jul 09 2017 08:07 pm

    I'm inclined to agree with Mro on this one. While effects are nice, the story is what matters to me, and I don't mind that older shows don't have the same resolution or effects as my TV. I'd rather see new stories created, than just making the old ones look better all the time.

    I can definitely understand that sentiment, but I also have several younger friends who are watching Star Trek for the first time, and the improved picture quality definitely makes it easier for them to handle. I know the remaster piqued my interest enough to start rewatching TNG again from the beginning.



    i'd have to watch the original and 'remastered' version side by side to see if it is worth it.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Mon Jul 10 09:16:00 2017
    Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I do think the story is more important - but if the image quality can
    be improved to look better on modern equipment, why not? I think the

    To me, it looks like an attempt to screw more money out of consumers for relatively little effort (don't need script writers, actors, directors, etc). The technical staff needed for the remastering would also be used in producing new content for effects, etc.

    medium/format of the story contributes to how the story is experienced.
    A book wouldn't need its picture enhanced because it has no picture,
    but for something made from the get-go to be watched on TV, I think the visuals carry some of the details that are part of the story - In this case, how the characters look, the overall look and design of the ships
    & technology, how the planets look, etc. Those are things that could be described if the show were in the form a book, but it's not; it's a TV show. So I think there is some merit to having it look as good as possible. The DVDs are watchable on a modern high-definition TV, but
    the high-definition remasters do look better.

    Sure they look better, but is that the best use of the industry's time and money? I'm actually quite over a lot of Hollywood, it just seems so unimaginitive these days - endless remakes, remasters, etc. As for TV series, I found The Expanse to be a refreshing change, something new to TV, and quite well done. And Netflix allows this sort of content to be easily distributed (legaly!). Looking forward to seeing the next season. The Expanse is a reminder that there are many great books that would make for good TV or cinema.
    I hadn't read or even heard of the books that The Expanse is based on, until it aired.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Deepthaw on Mon Jul 10 09:19:00 2017
    Deepthaw wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I can definitely understand that sentiment, but I also have several younger friends who are watching Star Trek for the first time, and the improved picture quality definitely makes it easier for them to handle.
    I know the remaster piqued my interest enough to start rewatching TNG again from the beginning.

    Guess we agree to disagree. Haven't needed a remaster to watch Star Trek for the umteenth time. ;)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Mon Jul 10 09:21:00 2017
    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    when i saw the starwars movies remade and changed in the theaters, i
    came to the realization that i dont care about special effects at the
    cost of changing something that shouldnt be changed.

    I'm not sure I've actually seen the originals, because I was a kid and there was no cinema in town back then. I had to settle for reading the book. I did see the remastered Star Wars movies in the cinema when they were released, as my opportunity to finally watch them.


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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Sun Jul 9 20:31:19 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to Mro on Mon Jul 10 2017 09:21 am

    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    when i saw the starwars movies remade and changed in the theaters, i came to the realization that i dont care about special effects at the cost of changing something that shouldnt be changed.

    I'm not sure I've actually seen the originals, because I was a kid and there was no cinema in town back then. I had to settle for reading the book. I did see the remastered Star Wars movies in the cinema when they were released, as my opportunity to finally watch them.



    you can download the originals, and you can even get the originals with the cut parts added back in.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Sun Jul 9 18:52:01 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Mon Jul 10 2017 09:16 am

    I do think the story is more important - but if the image quality
    can be improved to look better on modern equipment, why not? I
    think the

    To me, it looks like an attempt to screw more money out of consumers for relatively little effort (don't need script writers, actors, directors, etc). The technical staff needed for the remastering would also be used in producing new content for effects, etc.

    I still think quite a bit of effort goes into a remaster like they did with Star Trek TNG. Personally, given the choice, I'd rather watch the high-def versions than the lower-def versions.. They do look nice.

    Sure they look better, but is that the best use of the industry's time and money?

    I'm sure they could hire more people to work on this kind of thing if they needed to. I imagine there are probably plenty of newcomers in the industry who can do remaster work. As far as money, I think it all comes down to what customers are willing to spend their money on - So in the end, I think it's consumers' spending money that will determine whether a remaster effort is worth it.

    Do you feel that it's a waste of effort & money in general to release existing movies in new higher-definition formats? What about older movies that you like? There are older movies that have good visuals that I think can benefit from a higher-definiton release. For instance - 2001: A Space Odyssey, Tron, Blade Runner, The Matrix, etc.. Those movies, and others that existed before blu-ray, I think can benefit from a high-definition release. I don't think it's all wasted effort. As video resolutions keep getting better, videos recorded in lower resolutions will keep looking progressively worse (on higher resolution screens). I suppose I don't necessarily want to keep spending money on new versions of the same movie all the time, but it's nice to have a crisp, clear image when watching a movie or TV show.

    I hadn't read or even heard of the books that The Expanse is based on, until it aired.

    Would you believe I had never heard of Lord Of The Rings until the movie came out in 2001?

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Sun Jul 9 18:53:11 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to Deepthaw on Mon Jul 10 2017 09:19 am

    Guess we agree to disagree. Haven't needed a remaster to watch Star Trek for the umteenth time. ;)

    The older versions of Star Trek (on DVD etc.) are definitely watchable.. I think they do look better on blu-ray though. I hadn't owned a copy of The Next Generation, so when the blu-rays started being released, I opted to buy those rather than the DVDs.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Sun Jul 9 18:54:37 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to Mro on Mon Jul 10 2017 09:21 am

    when i saw the starwars movies remade and changed in the theaters, i
    came to the realization that i dont care about special effects at
    the cost of changing something that shouldnt be changed.

    I'm not sure I've actually seen the originals, because I was a kid and there was no cinema in town back then. I had to settle for reading the book. I did see the remastered Star Wars movies in the cinema when they were released, as my opportunity to finally watch them.

    The Star Wars movies were played on TV quite a bit though.. Did you never have a chance to watch them on TV? Also, I was not aware the Star Wars movies were made into book form..

    Nightfox

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  • From Deepthaw@VERT/DS94 to Mro on Sun Jul 9 20:39:12 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Mro to Deepthaw on Sun Jul 09 2017 05:06 pm

    i'd have to watch the original and 'remastered' version side by side to see if it is worth it.

    The Star Trek remasters have been much more about bringing the picture quality in line with what we'd expect from HDTV than pulling a Lucas and redoing the effects and changing scenes.

    The TOS remaster had all of the models replaced with CGI imagery and a lot of the frankly terrible matte paintings were replaced with new backgrounds. They stayed as faithful as they could while improving them in areas where it wouldn't screw with stuff (no CGI Jabba or Han shooting first nonsense here.)

    The issue with TNG was that while the actual fotage was captured on film, all the effects work was done on videotape which meant there was no HD version of the effects available - they actually redid practically all of them by hand as a result.

    If nothing else, the remasters are worth it for how much clearer the picture is in general. Even scenes without redone special effects have a *lot* more detail and color quality in them.

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  • From Deepthaw@VERT/DS94 to Vk3jed on Sun Jul 9 20:41:43 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Mon Jul 10 2017 09:16 am

    Sure they look better, but is that the best use of the industry's time and money? I'm actually quite over a lot of Hollywood, it just seems so

    The remastering work was largely outsourced and paid for itself in disc sales and licensing to Netflix, so it's not like it a major strain on Viacom/CBS that kept them from working on other stuff.

    I think a remaster can be a good thing to pump out to keep interest in the francise fresh when you're between installments.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Mon Jul 10 17:58:00 2017
    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    you can download the originals, and you can even get the originals with the cut parts added back in.

    Will have to look around. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Mon Jul 10 18:37:00 2017
    Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I still think quite a bit of effort goes into a remaster like they did with Star Trek TNG. Personally, given the choice, I'd rather watch the high-def versions than the lower-def versions.. They do look nice.

    Oh, I don't disagree, but I do object to being enticed to buy something I already have, with better definition. Sure, had that with VHS to DVD, but in addition to better picture, there was also an increase in reliability and convenience. So, are we going to have to pay again when TVs go 16HD years in t

    I'm sure they could hire more people to work on this kind of thing if
    they needed to. I imagine there are probably plenty of newcomers in
    the industry who can do remaster work. As far as money, I think it all comes down to what customers are willing to spend their money on - So
    in the end, I think it's consumers' spending money that will determine whether a remaster effort is worth it.

    True. I'm willing to look at the remastered versions if there's a way to do it (Netflix?), just don't want to have to pay for them, since I have already paid for the original DVD release.

    Do you feel that it's a waste of effort & money in general to release existing movies in new higher-definition formats? What about older
    movies that you like? There are older movies that have good visuals
    that I think can benefit from a higher-definiton release. For instance
    - 2001: A Space Odyssey, Tron, Blade Runner, The Matrix, etc.. Those

    Many movies were shot on film, so there's already higher definition source available, which may or may not need cleaning up. Actually, I have the Blu-Ray release of 2001, and there is a speck on the floor of the Hilton that's not visible in SD. It stands out like dogs balls against the clean white of the floow. :D

    movies, and others that existed before blu-ray, I think can benefit
    from a high-definition release. I don't think it's all wasted effort.
    As video resolutions keep getting better, videos recorded in lower resolutions will keep looking progressively worse (on higher resolution screens). I suppose I don't necessarily want to keep spending money on new versions of the same movie all the time, but it's nice to have a crisp, clear image when watching a movie or TV show.

    Maybe the long term solution is an improvement in upscaling abilities of players? :) Newer algorithms can make things look a bit better, though remastering will always give the best result.

    I hadn't read or even heard of the books that The Expanse is based on, until it aired.

    Would you believe I had never heard of Lord Of The Rings until the
    movie came out in 2001?

    It's possible, if you're not normally one to read fantasy. I had only heard of it, because I had friends at school who read LOTR and The Hobbit.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Mon Jul 10 18:38:00 2017
    Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    The older versions of Star Trek (on DVD etc.) are definitely
    watchable.. I think they do look better on blu-ray though. I hadn't owned a copy of The Next Generation, so when the blu-rays started being released, I opted to buy those rather than the DVDs.

    We had bought all of our Star Trek, before Blu-Ray came out. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Mon Jul 10 18:42:00 2017
    Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    The Star Wars movies were played on TV quite a bit though.. Did you
    never have a chance to watch them on TV? Also, I was not aware the
    Star Wars movies were made into book form..

    Bit hard to get time on the TV in my house, and parents were not into sci-fi. :( And at least the original Star Wars was out in a book back in 1977, when that movie was originally released. I borrowed it from the school library while the movie was still showing in cinemas.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Deepthaw on Mon Jul 10 18:52:00 2017
    Deepthaw wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    The remastering work was largely outsourced and paid for itself in disc sales and licensing to Netflix, so it's not like it a major strain on Viacom/CBS that kept them from working on other stuff.

    Good points. Maybe I'll just keep Netflix for any updated versions. :)

    I think a remaster can be a good thing to pump out to keep interest in
    the francise fresh when you're between installments.

    Might work for some, not for me lol


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  • From Necrosis@VERT/CLOCKTOW to Deepthaw on Sun Jul 9 21:00:26 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Deepthaw to Vk3jed on Sun Jul 09 2017 11:44 am

    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to Deepthaw on Sun Jul 09 2017 08:07 pm

    I'm inclined to agree with Mro on this one. While effects are nice, the story is what matters to me, and I don't mind that older shows don't ha the same resolution or effects as my TV. I'd rather see new stories created, than just making the old ones look better all the time.

    I can definitely understand that sentiment, but I also have several younger friends who are watching Star Trek for the first time, and the improved pict quality definitely makes it easier for them to handle. I know the remaster piqued my interest enough to start rewatching TNG again from the beginning.

    Heh. I grew up with TNG when it was on tv and watching re-runs of TOS on our local FOX TV channel with my dad when I was a kid. A co-worker of mine whom is younger got into Star Trek recently and watched an original copy of TNG. When I first heard about him doing this, I cringed just thinking about how he must of taken to that first dredded season of TNG. Surprisingly,he ended up liking the series quite a bit!
    I agree also. Effects are nice but story is what matters the most.

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  • From Necrosis@VERT/CLOCKTOW to Vk3jed on Sun Jul 9 21:06:32 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Mon Jul 10 2017 09:16 am

    Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I do think the story is more important - but if the image quality can be improved to look better on modern equipment, why not? I think the

    To me, it looks like an attempt to screw more money out of consumers for relatively little effort (don't need script writers, actors, directors, etc) The technical staff needed for the remastering would also be used in produci new content for effects, etc.

    medium/format of the story contributes to how the story is experienced.
    A book wouldn't need its picture enhanced because it has no picture, but for something made from the get-go to be watched on TV, I think the visuals carry some of the details that are part of the story - In this case, how the characters look, the overall look and design of the ships & technology, how the planets look, etc. Those are things that could be described if the show were in the form a book, but it's not; it's a TV show. So I think there is some merit to having it look as good as possible. The DVDs are watchable on a modern high-definition TV, but the high-definition remasters do look better.

    Sure they look better, but is that the best use of the industry's time and money? I'm actually quite over a lot of Hollywood, it just seems so unimaginitive these days - endless remakes, remasters, etc. As for TV serie I found The Expanse to be a refreshing change, something new to TV, and quit well done. And Netflix allows this sort of content to be easily distributed (legaly!). Looking forward to seeing the next season. The Expanse is a reminder that there are many great books that would make for good TV or cine
    I hadn't read or even heard of the books that The Expanse is based on, unti it aired.


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    Good points. I sometimes think that some of those older styles of special effects actually add a certain charm or character to the image of the show or movie that is hard, if not impossible to capture fully today. For example, things like: The original Alien, Star Trek TOS, Blade Runner, Original Star Wars, etc. They might look a bit out of place and dated to a younger viewer, but, they have a certain tone that they captured. I always liked that grimy and lived in feeling of the ships in the original Alien movie which helped inspire the look for the original DooM.
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  • From Necrosis@VERT/CLOCKTOW to Nightfox on Sun Jul 9 21:09:44 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Sun Jul 09 2017 06:54 pm

    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to Mro on Mon Jul 10 2017 09:21 am

    when i saw the starwars movies remade and changed in the theaters, i
    came to the realization that i dont care about special effects at
    the cost of changing something that shouldnt be changed.

    I'm not sure I've actually seen the originals, because I was a kid and there was no cinema in town back then. I had to settle for reading the book. I did see the remastered Star Wars movies in the cinema when they were released, as my opportunity to finally watch them.

    The Star Wars movies were played on TV quite a bit though.. Did you never h a chance to watch them on TV? Also, I was not aware the Star Wars movies we made into book form..

    Nightfox

    I know the prequels where made into book form which actually made for a good read. It kinda shows that the story of those movies weren't bad; it was the execution in their production.
    I watched and recorded the original Star Wars movies on TV all the time as a kid. Good times.

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  • From Deepthaw@VERT/DS94 to Vk3jed on Mon Jul 10 09:11:21 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Mon Jul 10 2017 06:37 pm

    True. I'm willing to look at the remastered versions if there's a way to do it (Netflix?), just don't want to have to pay for them, since I have already paid for the original DVD release.

    Both Trek remasters (TOS and TNG) are presently the versions of the show available on Netflix. I think they're also the versions that are being sold for rebroadcast to television stations (at least I know the episodes of TOS on MeTV OTA are the remaster.)

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Mon Jul 10 09:29:20 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Mon Jul 10 2017 06:37 pm

    and convenience. So, are we going to have to pay again when TVs go 16HD years in t

    You'd at least have to buy a newer TV, which I think is normal as technology advances.

    True. I'm willing to look at the remastered versions if there's a way to do it (Netflix?), just don't want to have to pay for them, since I have already paid for the original DVD release.

    I know what you mean, and I don't always feel like buying newer versions of something I already have.. On the other hand, I realize that work went into making (or trying to make) it better, which is probably worth something.. If it was exactly the same as what I already have, then I definitely wouldn't buy it. But if I don't already own a version of it, I'd prefer to buy the best-looking version.

    Many movies were shot on film, so there's already higher definition source available, which may or may not need cleaning up. Actually, I have the

    I think that's the case for many TV shows as well, including Star Trek: The Next Generation.

    Maybe the long term solution is an improvement in upscaling abilities of players? :) Newer algorithms can make things look a bit better, though remastering will always give the best result.

    I'm actually a little surprised how upscaling can make a DVD look decently good on a higher-resolution TV. I've always heard that you can't add detail to something that's low-resolution, so I've wondered how exactly they do the upscaling.

    It's possible, if you're not normally one to read fantasy. I had only heard of it, because I had friends at school who read LOTR and The Hobbit.

    When I was younger, I had heard of The Hobbit, but I didn't make the connection between The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings until someone told me they were related. I never read The Hobbit though..

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Necrosis on Mon Jul 10 09:32:38 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Necrosis to Nightfox on Sun Jul 09 2017 09:09 pm

    I watched and recorded the original Star Wars movies on TV all the time as a kid. Good times.

    I didn't realize this until several years ago, but I heard there was a Star Wars Christmas Special that aired on TV in the early 80s (1983 or 1984, I think?). I heard the Star Wars Special was pretty bad, and it was only aired on TV that one time. And I've heard it hasn't officially been sold on any medium, so there are bootleg copies of it that people sell.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Mon Jul 10 09:37:41 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to Deepthaw on Mon Jul 10 2017 06:52 pm

    The remastering work was largely outsourced and paid for itself in
    disc sales and licensing to Netflix, so it's not like it a major
    strain on Viacom/CBS that kept them from working on other stuff.

    Good points. Maybe I'll just keep Netflix for any updated versions. :)

    I like streaming movie services, but sometimes if I really like the movie/show, I still feel like I'd rather have my own copy at home. If I want to watch something again, I'd rather not stream it multiple times (important if your ISP has a bandwith cap, but these days I think most don't). Also, streaming services and internet service can sometimes go down, so they aren't always reliable. But does that always justify spending the money on a DVD/blu-ray copy? Probably not. :)

    As far as the Star Trek TNG blu-rays, I was somewhat frustrated to find out a little while ago that after I bought the seasons individually as they came out, they made a package with the entire series on blu-ray that is cheaper than what I spent by buying each season individually.. I could have saved money by just waiting. But I suppose if nobody bought each season as they were released, then they probably could have figured that nobody was interested and could have stopped working on remastering the further seasons.

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  • From SquigY0@VERT/SHADOW9 to Nightfox on Mon Jul 10 13:30:00 2017
    generally weren't framed for widescreen. If they added in the extra
    part of film to make the image widescreen, many shots would show things such as camera equipment, boom mics, etc., which wouldn't be ideal.

    There are infamous stories about the reframing/color corrections/remasters
    they did of the Buffy The Vampire Slayer series for FX that ends up showing camera equipment and crew (or in one case a character that was supposed to be invisible but was standing just out of frame, and was picked up once they stretched), and a nighttime scene becomes brightly lit as if it's daytime...which is awkward when there's a vampire in it who should have
    burned up.
  • From Captain Obvious@VERT/SHADOW9 to Nightfox on Mon Jul 10 17:12:00 2017
    On 07/10/17, Nightfox said the following...

    I didn't realize this until several years ago, but I heard there was a Star Wars Christmas Special that aired on TV in the early 80s (1983 or 1984, I think?). I heard the Star Wars Special was pretty bad, and it


    It was awful. I was 14 and a big Star Wars fan at the time. AWFUL hehe.

    Probably can find it on the Internet if you look hard enough.

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  • From Captain Obvious@VERT/SHADOW9 to Nightfox on Mon Jul 10 17:15:00 2017
    On 07/10/17, Nightfox said the following...

    I didn't realize this until several years ago, but I heard there was a Star Wars Christmas Special that aired on TV in the early 80s (1983 or

    On YouTube. Enjoy. https://youtu.be/wJDAmBQ1u2g

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Deepthaw on Mon Jul 10 16:56:06 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Deepthaw to Vk3jed on Mon Jul 10 2017 09:11 am

    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Mon Jul 10 2017 06:37 pm

    True. I'm willing to look at the remastered versions if there's a way to do it (Netflix?), just don't want to have to pay for them, since I have already paid for the original DVD release.

    Both Trek remasters (TOS and TNG) are presently the versions of the show available on Netflix. I think they're also the versions that are being sold for rebroadcast to television stations (at least I know the episodes of TOS on MeTV OTA are the remaster.)


    that's too bad because there's nothing wrong with the old copies.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to SquigY0 on Mon Jul 10 15:46:29 2017
    Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: SquigY0 to Nightfox on Mon Jul 10 2017 01:30 pm

    There are infamous stories about the reframing/color corrections/remasters they did of the Buffy The Vampire Slayer series for FX that ends up showing camera equipment and crew (or in one case a character that was supposed to be invisible but was standing just out of frame, and was picked up once they stretched), and a nighttime scene becomes brightly lit as if it's daytime...which is awkward when there's a vampire in it who should have burned up.

    Interesting.. Those are the kinds of things you don't really want..

    I've seen episodes of Seinfeld that were reframed for wide screen - I believe they cut off part of the top & bottom. I don't think that's really ideal either, as there could be things that should have been in the frame that you'd miss.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Mon Jul 10 15:47:49 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Mro to Deepthaw on Mon Jul 10 2017 04:56 pm

    Both Trek remasters (TOS and TNG) are presently the versions of the
    show available on Netflix. I think they're also the versions that are
    being sold for rebroadcast to television stations (at least I know the
    episodes of TOS on MeTV OTA are the remaster.)

    that's too bad because there's nothing wrong with the old copies.

    Too bad? Sure there was nothing wrong with them, but do you think the remasters are worse? I'd think the remasters would be an improvement, visually. Otherwise, why bother?

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Necrosis on Tue Jul 11 08:17:00 2017
    Necrosis wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Good points. I sometimes think that some of those older styles of
    special effects actually add a certain charm or character to the image
    of the show or movie that is hard, if not impossible to capture fully today. For example, things like: The original Alien, Star Trek TOS,

    Yes, I feel a bit that way myself - cheesy special effects were a big part of TV in the 50s - 70s, sometimes 80s. :) And the flaws in the medium do add that touch of character, adding to the feel. It probably is a generational thing to some extent, we were there when the old shows were on TV, the younger generation only know modern production techniques and special effects.

    Blade Runner, Original Star Wars, etc. They might look a bit out of
    place and dated to a younger viewer, but, they have a certain tone that they captured. I always liked that grimy and lived in feeling of the
    ships in the original Alien movie which helped inspire the look for the original DooM. -Necrosis

    Well, you picked a bad example for me, I never got into the Alien franchise, not my thing. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Necrosis on Tue Jul 11 08:23:00 2017
    Necrosis wrote to Deepthaw <=-

    Heh. I grew up with TNG when it was on tv and watching re-runs of TOS
    on our local FOX TV channel with my dad when I was a kid. A co-worker

    You must be a young fella. :D I grew up with mostly re-runs of TOS on TV, but was also lucky to see most of TAS when it was screened on the Saturday morning cartoon show in the mid 1970s. :)

    of mine whom is younger got into Star Trek recently and watched an original copy of TNG. When I first heard about him doing this, I
    cringed just thinking about how he must of taken to that first dredded season of TNG. Surprisingly,he ended up liking the series quite a bit!
    I agree also. Effects are nice but story is what matters the most.

    My first exposure to TNG was by accident. I was watching TV late one night when it came on. I remember thinking "This looks like Star Trek, but it's different", but quickly got into the show. Not long after, there was a special on TV about TNG and its place in the Star Trek universe. I was hooked.... AGAIN! :D


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Necrosis on Tue Jul 11 08:25:00 2017
    Necrosis wrote to Nightfox <=-

    I know the prequels where made into book form which actually made for a good read. It kinda shows that the story of those movies weren't bad;
    it was the execution in their production.

    I suspected that was the case, the second one especially for a bit dull. I did quite like Revenge of the Sith though. However, I've only read the book for A New Hope (original Star Wars).

    I watched and recorded the original Star Wars movies on TV all the time
    as a kid. Good times.

    :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Deepthaw on Tue Jul 11 09:09:00 2017
    Deepthaw wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Both Trek remasters (TOS and TNG) are presently the versions of the
    show available on Netflix. I think they're also the versions that are being sold for rebroadcast to television stations (at least I know the episodes of TOS on MeTV OTA are the remaster.)

    Well, I did briefly watch the start of a TNG episode, couldn't immediately pick any difference on my monitor though. Will have to put it up on the big screen.



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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Tue Jul 11 09:18:00 2017
    Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    and convenience. So, are we going to have to pay again when TVs go 16HD years in t

    You'd at least have to buy a newer TV, which I think is normal as technology advances.

    True, we haven't gone 4HD yet, still on 1080p tech here. Haven't seen a need to go 4k yet. Probably happen as part of a normal upgrade cycle, which is still a few years off at least. Might be looking at a Blu-Ray upgrade though, the player seems to have died, but might give it a power cycle and firmware upgrade before writing it off, in case it's simply in a weird state. Currently, it's not reading any disc - worked perfectly one night last week, the next, it couldn't read a thing. The DVD recorder is probably also coming towards the end of its service life. Had it for 8 years at least, so an upgrade cycle for some AV hardware is not far off.

    I know what you mean, and I don't always feel like buying newer
    versions of something I already have.. On the other hand, I realize
    that work went into making (or trying to make) it better, which is probably worth something.. If it was exactly the same as what I
    already have, then I definitely wouldn't buy it. But if I don't
    already own a version of it, I'd prefer to buy the best-looking
    version.

    Yes, if I didn't own them already, the best looking version would be my choice, and Blu-Ray is physically more robust anyway.

    I'm actually a little surprised how upscaling can make a DVD look
    decently good on a higher-resolution TV. I've always heard that you
    can't add detail to something that's low-resolution, so I've wondered
    how exactly they do the upscaling.

    I believe there are fractal algorithms that can infer some detail reasonably accurately, but upscaling certainly helps to make the picture look better on a big screen.

    It's possible, if you're not normally one to read fantasy. I had only heard of it, because I had friends at school who read LOTR and The Hobbit.

    When I was younger, I had heard of The Hobbit, but I didn't make the connection between The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings until someone told
    me they were related. I never read The Hobbit though..

    The aforementioned friends read both and were keen to suggest a reading order. I never got around to it myself. Years later, I did find an abandoned copy of LOTR in the street late one night, which I did rescue, but still haven't got to reading it. Think I need to take a few international flights, to catch up on my reading. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Tue Jul 11 09:23:00 2017
    Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I like streaming movie services, but sometimes if I really like the movie/show, I still feel like I'd rather have my own copy at home. If
    I want to watch something again, I'd rather not stream it multiple
    times (important if your ISP has a bandwith cap, but these days I think most don't). Also, streaming services and internet service can

    Most ISPs do have a cap here, but I'm on an unlimited data plan, so I'm not fussed about burning up bits. :D But like you, we do prefer to own regularly viewed stuff. Streaming is a good way to sample other stuff out there, or for those "light" ones like Highway to Hell - about the Canadian road rescue/towing crew.

    sometimes go down, so they aren't always reliable. But does that
    always justify spending the money on a DVD/blu-ray copy? Probably not.
    :)

    Not when we already have a perfectly good, if older DVD copy. :)

    As far as the Star Trek TNG blu-rays, I was somewhat frustrated to find out a little while ago that after I bought the seasons individually as they came out, they made a package with the entire series on blu-ray
    that is cheaper than what I spent by buying each season individually..
    I could have saved money by just waiting. But I suppose if nobody
    bought each season as they were released, then they probably could have figured that nobody was interested and could have stopped working on remastering the further seasons.

    Yes, they tend to do that. Through a combination of history and a special offer, we've actually for 2 copies of TNG - one is the original DVD release, the other is a special edition boxed set. At the time, we lived apart, so the 2 sets were justified. Today, it's redundant, more of a backup. :)


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Mon Jul 10 19:03:36 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Tue Jul 11 2017 09:18 am

    weird state. Currently, it's not reading any disc - worked perfectly one night last week, the next, it couldn't read a thing. The DVD recorder is probably also coming towards the end of its service life. Had it for 8 years at least, so an upgrade cycle for some AV hardware is not far off.

    Sounds similar to my past experience with CD/DVD burners.. When I first started using CD burners in the late 90s & early 2000s, it seems the ones I would buy would typically last about a year or two and then no longer work reliably. I've had my current burner in my PC for about 6 years though and it's still working fine..

    Come to think of it, I hadn't thought of checking for a firmware update for my burner. I used to keep up with firmware updates (I like to do that since they often fix bugs that they catch at the manufacturer), but I haven't had any problems with mine.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Mon Jul 10 19:06:23 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Tue Jul 11 2017 09:23 am

    regularly viewed stuff. Streaming is a good way to sample other stuff out there, or for those "light" ones like Highway to Hell - about the Canadian road rescue/towing crew.

    Speaking of streaming, a while ago I decided to set up my own Plex media server at home, and I ripped a bunch of my movies to it. I also copied my music collection to it. It has been fairly handy to stream stuff to our TVs rather than go get the disc, turn on the blu-ray player, pull out the disc, and put it in..

    Nightfox

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Mon Jul 10 21:57:52 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Mon Jul 10 2017 03:47 pm

    episodes of TOS on MeTV OTA are the remaster.)

    that's too bad because there's nothing wrong with the old copies.

    Too bad? Sure there was nothing wrong with them, but do you think the remasters are worse?

    i just think it's a waste of time and entirely pointless.

    I'd think the remasters would be an improvement,
    visually. Otherwise, why bother?

    because people are stupid. you and i would have to actually see these things to judge if it's truly an improvement.

    after doing a search for it to download, this remastering seems to be a fad that has gone on for years. i even see the incredible hulk remastered.

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  • From Necrosis@VERT/CLOCKTOW to Nightfox on Mon Jul 10 15:38:04 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Nightfox to Necrosis on Mon Jul 10 2017 09:32 am

    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Necrosis to Nightfox on Sun Jul 09 2017 09:09 pm

    I watched and recorded the original Star Wars movies on TV all the time a kid. Good times.

    I didn't realize this until several years ago, but I heard there was a Star Wars Christmas Special that aired on TV in the early 80s (1983 or 1984, I think?). I heard the Star Wars Special was pretty bad, and it was only aire on TV that one time. And I've heard it hasn't officially been sold on any medium, so there are bootleg copies of it that people sell.

    Nightfox

    It's bad, lol. It is however, the first time we get to meet Boba Fett. -Necrosis
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  • From Deepthaw@VERT/DS94 to Vk3jed on Tue Jul 11 00:01:54 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Tue Jul 11 2017 09:18 am

    True, we haven't gone 4HD yet, still on 1080p tech here. Haven't seen a

    I got a 4K HDTV a few months ago, and the only 4K content I ended up watching on Netflix was stand-up specials.

    On the plus side: Dave Chappelle's still pretty funny.

    What I *really* need to do is get a Blu-Ray player and Planet Earth 2.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Tue Jul 11 15:05:00 2017
    Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Sounds similar to my past experience with CD/DVD burners.. When I
    first started using CD burners in the late 90s & early 2000s, it seems
    the ones I would buy would typically last about a year or two and then
    no longer work reliably. I've had my current burner in my PC for about
    6 years though and it's still working fine..

    The DVD recorder is older than the Blu-Ray and has had a lot more use. Go figure. :)

    Come to think of it, I hadn't thought of checking for a firmware update for my burner. I used to keep up with firmware updates (I like to do
    that since they often fix bugs that they catch at the manufacturer),
    but I haven't had any problems with mine.

    Yeah, haven't seen too many firmware bugs get in the way of those devices, but it could happen.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Tue Jul 11 15:07:00 2017
    Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Speaking of streaming, a while ago I decided to set up my own Plex
    media server at home, and I ripped a bunch of my movies to it. I also copied my music collection to it. It has been fairly handy to stream stuff to our TVs rather than go get the disc, turn on the blu-ray
    player, pull out the disc, and put it in..

    I like the concept, but a couple of things make me think twice:

    1. I've had better luck with DVDs than hard disks.

    2. Finding a solution that meets both storage (many TB) and power (needs to run off stray electrons) requirements, as well as reliability. :)


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  • From Necrosis@VERT/CLOCKTOW to Vk3jed on Mon Jul 10 21:31:59 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to Necrosis on Tue Jul 11 2017 08:23 am

    My first exposure to TNG was by accident. I was watching TV late one night when it came on. I remember thinking "This looks like Star Trek, but it's different", but quickly got into the show. Not long after, there was a spec on TV about TNG and its place in the Star Trek universe. I was hooked.... AGAIN! :D
    My first exposure to TNG was by accident. I was watching TV late one night when it came on. I remember thinking "This looks like Star Trek, but it's different", but quickly got into the show. Not long after, there was a spec on TV about TNG and its place in the Star Trek universe. I was hooked.... AGAIN! :D

    It's kinda fun finding things like that by accident. Despite being a 'cable cutter' myself, I do miss that part of conventional TV back in the day..finding stuff late at night or early in the morning by complete accident.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Deepthaw on Tue Jul 11 19:33:00 2017
    Deepthaw wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    True, we haven't gone 4HD yet, still on 1080p tech here. Haven't seen a

    I got a 4K HDTV a few months ago, and the only 4K content I ended up watching on Netflix was stand-up specials.

    The TV is probably the last item in our chain that needs replacement ATM.

    On the plus side: Dave Chappelle's still pretty funny.

    Whoever that is :P

    What I *really* need to do is get a Blu-Ray player and Planet Earth 2.

    You have a 4k TV without a Blu-Ray player?


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Necrosis on Tue Jul 11 21:04:00 2017
    Necrosis wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    It's kinda fun finding things like that by accident. Despite being a 'cable cutter' myself, I do miss that part of conventional TV back in
    the day..finding stuff late at night or early in the morning by
    complete accident.

    Yes, TV as a "lucky dip" was fun. :)


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  • From Deepthaw@VERT/DS94 to Vk3jed on Tue Jul 11 05:56:40 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to Deepthaw on Tue Jul 11 2017 07:33 pm

    You have a 4k TV without a Blu-Ray player?

    Yep - Netflix has 4K streaming so that's been good enough. In all honesty, I can barely even tell a difference and the real reason I went for 4K was a) it was only slightly more expensive than 1080p, b) to future proof for when I do get a blu-ray (didn't want to buy already outdated technology and c) it has excellent input lag (how long it takes to display the video input. this is important for video games.)

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  • From SquigY0@VERT/SHADOW9 to Deepthaw on Tue Jul 11 10:59:00 2017
    I got a 4K HDTV a few months ago, and the only 4K content I ended up watching on Netflix was stand-up specials.

    Amazon Prime has a growing amount of content that's 4K. Even watching it on
    a non 4K TV, the clarity of the image is stunning.
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Tue Jul 11 09:21:59 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Tue Jul 11 2017 03:07 pm

    Speaking of streaming, a while ago I decided to set up my own Plex
    media server at home, and I ripped a bunch of my movies to it. I
    also copied my music collection to it. It has been fairly handy to
    stream stuff to our TVs rather than go get the disc, turn on the
    blu-ray player, pull out the disc, and put it in..

    I like the concept, but a couple of things make me think twice:

    1. I've had better luck with DVDs than hard disks.

    Really? Have you had a lot of hard drives go bad? That has been a rare occurance for me. I've had one bad hard drive, in my main PC which I built several years ago, but I got it replaced by the manufacturer under warranty. I ended up waiting about a year or 2 after I built the PC before I realized it wouldn't hurt to contact the manufacturer about it - and they still replaced
    it (with a bigger drive, even).

    2. Finding a solution that meets both storage (many TB) and power (needs to run off stray electrons) requirements, as well as reliability. :)

    I figured since I already run a BBS machine 24/7, it wouldn't hurt to set up a Plex server for home media. My current BBS machine has been fairly reliable for the last 5 and a half years since I built it.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Tue Jul 11 09:23:10 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Vk3jed to Deepthaw on Tue Jul 11 2017 07:33 pm

    You have a 4k TV without a Blu-Ray player?

    There is 4K content you can stream online. You don't absolutely *need* a blu-ray player for 4K.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Deepthaw on Tue Jul 11 09:27:44 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Deepthaw to Vk3jed on Tue Jul 11 2017 05:56 am

    Yep - Netflix has 4K streaming so that's been good enough. In all honesty, I can barely even tell a difference and the real reason I went for 4K was a) it was only slightly more expensive than 1080p, b) to future proof for when I do get a blu-ray (didn't want to buy already outdated technology

    I also think future-proofing is good to do.

    and c) it has excellent input lag (how long it takes to display the video input. this is important for video games.)

    The input lag is indeed disappointing.. I tend to game more on my PC than a console, so I'm not sure how people deal with the lag these days with a game console on a TV. I think it depends on the input though - I've heard the lag is usually with HDMI. I have a Nintendo Wii that's plugged into our (4K) TV via Component input (the 5 RCA cables for stereo audio and yello, blue, and red video cables) and there isn't any noticeable lag with that. HDMI offers the best video quality though, and it's disappointing about the lag with HDMI..

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Tue Jul 11 12:21:21 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Mon Jul 10 2017 09:57 pm

    Too bad? Sure there was nothing wrong with them, but do you think the
    remasters are worse?

    I'd think the remasters would be an improvement,
    visually. Otherwise, why bother?

    because people are stupid. you and i would have to actually see these things to judge if it's truly an improvement.

    after doing a search for it to download, this remastering seems to be a fad that has gone on for years. i even see the incredible hulk remastered.

    I've seen DVD and the blu-ray versions of Star Trek: The Next Generation, and I think the blu-rays do look noticeably better. I had never owned the show on DVD myself, so I opted for the blu-ray version. IMO, the remastering is just keeping up with technology - After releasing TVs and a type of video player with higher image resolution, of course they're going to want to have content available for it, hence the release of movies and TV shows on that format. It's not just a "fad" - Nobody is going to want to buy a high-definition TV and blu-ray player and then keep buying new DVDs for it (or VHS tapes, for that matter). If you already own a movie or TV show on DVD, it's up to you whether you want to spend the money to replace it with a high-definition copy. But if you don't own it already, I think it makes sense to buy the version that looks the best for the TV you have.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Deepthaw on Wed Jul 12 08:23:00 2017
    Deepthaw wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Yep - Netflix has 4K streaming so that's been good enough. In all

    Ahh OK, I don't think I have that on my plan, probably have to upgrade. But I only need 1080p anyway. :)

    honesty, I can barely even tell a difference and the real reason I went for 4K was a) it was only slightly more expensive than 1080p, b) to
    future proof for when I do get a blu-ray (didn't want to buy already outdated technology and c) it has excellent input lag (how long it
    takes to display the video input. this is important for video games.)

    Yep, all good reasons, and I'd go 4k if I was after a new TV today for mostly the same reasons (I don't do games, but I do find display lag a pain when using a mouse).


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Wed Jul 12 08:28:00 2017
    Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I like the concept, but a couple of things make me think twice:

    1. I've had better luck with DVDs than hard disks.

    Really? Have you had a lot of hard drives go bad? That has been a
    rare occurance for me. I've had one bad hard drive, in my main PC

    I've had several die, although it was over a long period. The bigger issue is when HDDs die, they take a LOT more data with them than a dead DVD does. :( And backing up becomes increasingly painful with size too.

    which I built several years ago, but I got it replaced by the
    manufacturer under warranty. I ended up waiting about a year or 2 after
    I built the PC before I realized it wouldn't hurt to contact the manufacturer about it - and they still replaced it (with a bigger
    drive, even).

    I've had a couple of warranty jobs, which were replaced.

    2. Finding a solution that meets both storage (many TB) and power (needs to run off stray electrons) requirements, as well as reliability. :)

    I figured since I already run a BBS machine 24/7, it wouldn't hurt to
    set up a Plex server for home media. My current BBS machine has been fairly reliable for the last 5 and a half years since I built it.

    Yeah but I use the Pi platform for my BBSs. Adding a hard disk would double or triple or more the power consumption, adding RAID, well, you ge tthe picture. ;) My router has a NAS facility, that might be one place for future storage, just add USB HDD. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Wed Jul 12 08:28:00 2017
    Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    There is 4K content you can stream online. You don't absolutely *need*
    a blu-ray player for 4K.

    Fair enough. Most I've seen has been 720p or 1080p.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Wed Jul 12 08:57:00 2017
    Nightfox wrote to Mro <=-

    whether you want to spend the money to replace it with a
    high-definition copy. But if you don't own it already, I think it
    makes sense to buy the version that looks the best for the TV you have.

    It depends. If you don't already own the content, then buying the remastered version definitely makes sense. If you do own it, the question is a little more complicated as to whether the extra definition/quality is worth the expense. In the case of VHS to DVD, there were more compelling reasons to upgrade content (tape wear, etc), but the case is not as compelling in my opinion between digital media, unless your DVDs are scratched badly (in which case, a Blu-Ray upgrade might be just what the doctor ordered. :) )


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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Deepthaw on Fri Jul 21 12:38:36 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Deepthaw to Vk3jed on Tue Jul 11 2017 12:01 am

    What I *really* need to do is get a Blu-Ray player and Planet Earth 2.

    An Xbox One is also a Blu-Ray player.

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  • From Deepthaw@VERT/DS94 to Digital Man on Fri Jul 21 15:51:18 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Digital Man to Deepthaw on Fri Jul 21 2017 12:38 pm

    An Xbox One is also a Blu-Ray player.

    I've decided that when I finally hop on the modern console train again, I'll get a PS4 (I love me some Street Fighter.) Sadly, the PS4 Pro doesn't do UHD Blu-Rays - only the XBox One S. :(

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Deepthaw on Fri Jul 21 15:55:05 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Deepthaw to Digital Man on Fri Jul 21 2017 03:51 pm

    I've decided that when I finally hop on the modern console train again, I'll get a PS4 (I love me some Street Fighter.) Sadly, the PS4 Pro doesn't do UHD Blu-Rays - only the XBox One S. :(

    It would be nice to have an all-in-one box, but it seems those are rare.. However, I'm wondering if home movies will eventually be available on another medium. UHD blu-ray is still fairly new, and I like having movies on a physical disc, but I keep hearing that people think optical disc formats are dead, or near dead.. I've wondered if they'll eventually start selling movies only in a downloadable format, or on USB flash drives. In order to watch movies at home, in that case, people might have to either set up their own home media server or buy a bunch of USB flash drives or a USB hard drive to store their movies on and plug them into the TV to watch them.

    Nightfox

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Deepthaw on Sat Jul 22 08:23:04 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Deepthaw to Digital Man on Fri Jul 21 2017 03:51 pm

    I've decided that when I finally hop on the modern console train again, I'll get a PS4 (I love me some Street Fighter.) Sadly, the PS4 Pro doesn't do UHD Blu-Rays - only the XBox One S. :(

    I've got an XBox One, every time I boot itself it downloads a gig of updates and I don't have a subscription so the number of games I can play seems limited. I keep forgetting it plays Blu Rays.

    I just jailbroke my old Wii, I've loaded a 4GB SD card with games and it's going to be our cabin console. Wii Sports is still one of my favorite games.

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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to Poindexter Fortran on Tue Aug 1 10:39:43 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Deepthaw on Sat Jul 22 2017 08:23 am

    I just jailbroke my old Wii, I've loaded a 4GB SD card with games and it's going to be our cabin console. Wii Sports is still one of my favorite

    I bricked my Wii doing this. I didn't save the NRAM as a backup. I changed something and now I can't boot into the Wii system menu. Apparently there's no way to recover without Nintendo's assistance. Of course you can buy pre-modded Wiis on ebays for like $40 bucks now so I might just get another one. I love using the Wii for playing Atari emulated games. It really is a useful console. Cool controller options too.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Android8675 on Tue Aug 1 17:11:48 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Android8675 to Poindexter Fortran on Tue Aug 01 2017 10:39 am

    pre-modded Wiis on ebays for like $40 bucks now so I might just get another one. I love using the Wii for playing Atari emulated games. It really is a useful console. Cool controller options too.

    Since you have all of the controllers and cables, you might be able to find the bare console at a thrift store - The one on Morrissey and Soquel in SC had one for $5.00.

    I have an XBox One that I never use, time to start playing with it - it just seems like every time I fire it up I need to wait for a gig update to download.




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  • From Digital Man@VERT to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Aug 3 15:24:25 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Android8675 on Tue Aug 01 2017 05:11 pm

    I have an XBox One that I never use, time to start playing with it - it just seems like every time I fire it up I need to wait for a gig update to download.

    The solutions to that are either:

    1. Start it up more often, or:
    2. Go into setting, power option and set it up as instant on with automatic downloading selected

    digital man

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Digital Man on Fri Aug 4 08:44:52 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Digital Man to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Aug 03 2017 03:24 pm

    1. Start it up more often, or:
    2. Go into setting, power option and set it up as instant on with automatic downloading selected

    I'll try number two, thanks for the tip!

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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Aug 9 07:55:27 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Android8675 on Tue Aug 01 2017 05:11 pm

    Since you have all of the controllers and cables, you might be able to find the bare console at a thrift store - The one on Morrissey and Soquel in SC had one for $5.00.

    That Grey Bears? I love that place.

    I have an XBox One that I never use, time to start playing with it - it just seems like every time I fire it up I need to wait for a gig update to download.

    I loathe the current generation of consoles. My PS3 is a great BluRay/YouTube player, but booting it up takes too long, and like you said it still gets hit with updates. I fear the whole system will shut down one day and it'll be worthless. My PS2 still has a working 40Gig HDD which is awesome. I wish Sony would release server code for some of those old games like Amplitude.

    I actually have the PS2 emulator going on my PC. I can just pop in a PS1/2 disc and they boot up automatically.

    XBox One and PS4, I won't even touch. PC gaming has kept strides so well with Consoles that Microsoft finally threw up their hands andhave started releasing their first party titles on XB1/PC.

    Switch seems interesting, but I have no desire to play Mario Kart anymore.


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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to Digital Man on Wed Aug 9 07:56:52 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Digital Man to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Aug 03 2017 03:24 pm

    1. Start it up more often, or:
    2. Go into setting, power option and set it up as instant on with automatic downloading selected, or:

    3. Sell it.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Android8675 on Thu Aug 10 10:23:22 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Android8675 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Aug 09 2017 07:55 am

    Since you have all of the controllers and cables, you might be able to PF>> find the bare console at a thrift store - The one on Morrissey and
    Soquel in SC had one for $5.00.

    That Grey Bears? I love that place.

    Not Grey Bears, but I like that place, too. I'm talking about one right on the corner, think it's called Thrift Center or something like that.

    Grey Bears had some nice looking SFF desktops, was keeping an eye out for a new BBS box.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Android8675 on Mon Aug 14 12:34:57 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Android8675 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Aug 09 2017 07:55 am

    I actually have the PS2 emulator going on my PC. I can just pop in a PS1/2 disc and they boot up automatically.

    I remember back around 1999-2000 or so when a company tried to sell a Playstation emulator commercially for Windows PCs. It was called Bleem, and actually improved the game graphics a bit using a PC's graphics card. I heard Sony went after them with a lawsuit though, and Bleem eventually was no longer maintained or sold anymore. I believe Connectix also had a Playstation emulator for PC that Sony took down..

    Nightfox

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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to Nightfox on Sat Sep 2 11:52:17 2017
    Re: Re: Favorite Movie Genre
    By: Nightfox to Android8675 on Mon Aug 14 2017 12:34 pm

    I remember back around 1999-2000 or so when a company tried to sell a Playstation emulator commercially for Windows PCs. It was called Bleem, and actually improved the game graphics a bit using a PC's graphics card. I heard Sony went after them with a lawsuit though, and Bleem eventually was no longer maintained or sold anymore. I believe Connectix also had a Playstation emulator for PC that Sony took down..

    Yep, I have it, only worked with 1 game though. Forget which game, maybe Gran Tourismo? They also had an emulator that worked on Dreamcast to play PS2 discs. Dreamcast was the best console ever.


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