• News Alert: US believes N. Korea launched probable ICBM

    From Leregard@VERT/TINFOILH to KK4QBN on Sat Jul 15 09:43:08 2017
    Re: News Alert: US believes N. Korea launched probable ICBM
    By: KK4QBN to Deepthaw on Fri Jul 14 2017 04:01 pm

    War is taken too lightly.. in my mind.. if one country invades another, and wins, topples the leaders, etc.. The loser should then become PROPERTY of the winner. no puppet governments skirting the issues. It should be made territory of the winning party.. and have that parties government, laws imposed..

    Lol then we'd have to give them social security and a minimum wage...

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  • From Leregard@VERT/TINFOILH to KK4QBN on Sat Jul 15 09:53:01 2017
    Re: News Alert: US believes N. Korea launched probable ICBM
    By: KK4QBN to Deepthaw on Fri Jul 14 2017 04:01 pm

    that does nothing to him, its just starving his citizens.

    To be fair, a lot of them might be starving anyway... pickling cabbages to survive the winter... it's not awesome in North Korea in general, it's really cold and it sucks for farming. They got the short end of the geography stick. It's really tempting to just see a bad government making bad decisions, but it's not like they legislated to have a mountainous country that can't grow enough rice to feed everyone.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/TINFOILH to KK4QBN on Sat Jul 15 09:58:35 2017
    Re: News Alert: US believes N. Korea launched probable ICBM
    By: KK4QBN to Leregard on Fri Jul 14 2017 04:07 pm

    and that is just sick and unjust as it can be.. teh fatcats in the executive branch would flip out of the military suddenly turned a Coup d'.tat on their asses.

    Hahahahaha they only care about their careers. I'm sure there are a few really good people mixed in, but the Holy Grail for an officer is to retire after 20 years and become an executive for Boeing or Raytheon, etc., etc.

    Even the Chaplains are in this game.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Leregard on Sat Jul 15 11:54:02 2017
    Re: News Alert: US believes N. Korea launched probable ICBM
    By: Leregard to KK4QBN on Sat Jul 15 2017 09:43:08

    another, and wins, topples the leaders, etc.. The loser should then
    become PROPERTY of the winner. no puppet governments skirting the
    issues. It should be made territory of the winning party.. and have
    that parties government, laws imposed..

    Lol then we'd have to give them social security and a minimum wage...

    Hell.. we already do..

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Leregard on Sat Jul 15 11:55:59 2017
    Re: News Alert: US believes N. Korea launched probable ICBM
    By: Leregard to KK4QBN on Sat Jul 15 2017 09:53:01

    that does nothing to him, its just starving his citizens.

    To be fair, a lot of them might be starving anyway... pickling cabbages to survive the winter... it's not awesome in North Korea in general, it's really cold and it sucks for farming. They got the short end of the geography stick. It's really tempting to just see a bad government making bad decisions, but it's not like they legislated to have a mountainous country that can't grow enough rice to feed everyone.

    But they cannot leave.. one leaves, they imprison the whole family.. If you're starving in whatever situation you are in, at least you can leave that situation and try to make a better life for yourself.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Leregard on Sat Jul 15 11:58:33 2017
    Re: News Alert: US believes N. Korea launched probable ICBM
    By: Leregard to KK4QBN on Sat Jul 15 2017 09:58:35

    Hahahahaha they only care about their careers. I'm sure there are a few really good people mixed in, but the Holy Grail for an officer is to retire after 20 years and become an executive for Boeing or Raytheon, etc., etc.

    It's sick that this has become our culture.. this is not the way a democratic republic is suppose to run. Yes. there is suppose to be competition.. and people who work hard to earn a good lot in life deserve it.. but most corporate execs, and politicians got there by either screwing someone.. or... screwing someone..

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  • From Leregard@VERT/TINFOILH to KK4QBN on Sat Jul 15 18:08:44 2017
    Re: News Alert: US believes N. Korea launched probable ICBM
    By: KK4QBN to Leregard on Sat Jul 15 2017 11:55 am

    But they cannot leave.. one leaves, they imprison the whole family.. If you're starving in whatever situation you are in, at least you can leave that situation and try to make a better life for yourself.

    I don't disagree, they're crazy over there. But they're backed into a corner economically and militarily, and I'm just not all that surprised about how crazy they are. News stories about NK act like it's some kind of mystery. OF COURSE they want a bomb that can hit NYC... it's a no brainer, isn't it? We've been practicing how to invade them for 50 years.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Leregard on Sat Jul 15 23:28:51 2017
    Re: News Alert: US believes N. Korea launched probable ICBM
    By: Leregard to KK4QBN on Sat Jul 15 2017 18:08:44

    I don't disagree, they're crazy over there. But they're backed into a corner economically and militarily, and I'm just not all that surprised about how crazy they are. News stories about NK act like it's some kind of mystery. OF COURSE they want a bomb that can hit NYC... it's a no brainer, isn't it? We've been practicing how to invade them for 50 years.

    Which brings me back to the original point.. finish what we start, or get into.. or don't get into it at all..

    more money to be made off war then peace though..

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  • From Leregard@VERT/TINFOILH to KK4QBN on Sun Jul 16 09:40:33 2017
    Re: News Alert: US believes N. Korea launched probable ICBM
    By: KK4QBN to Leregard on Sat Jul 15 2017 11:28 pm

    Which brings me back to the original point.. finish what we start, or get

    That's it exactly. What does that even look like? How are we supposed to know when we're finished? We do these crazy things with no apparent goals!!!!!
    What was SUPPOSED to happen in Afghanistan, for example?

    What was it REALLY a full on criminal conspiracy to make contractors rich and get our officers nice retirement jobs? Or maybe we just really believe we're *the best*, we're special, like we're invincible, or that Jesus would protect us, and bullets only hurt OTHER people...?

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Leregard on Sun Jul 16 13:06:11 2017
    Re: News Alert: US believes N. Korea launched probable ICBM
    By: Leregard to KK4QBN on Sun Jul 16 2017 09:40:33

    Which brings me back to the original point.. finish what we start, or
    get

    That's it exactly. What does that even look like? How are we supposed to know when we're finished? We do these crazy things with no apparent goals!!!!! What was SUPPOSED to happen in Afghanistan, for example?

    I don't think the military knows what "being finished" looks like.. not since Korea.. yeah.. there are still stigma from WWII.. but shit got done..

    everything else pretty much seems like "War Games" but with real kids coming home in draped caskets.

    yeah, 20 of our low ranking front line people may have been blown to pieces by ONE person who believes he has 72 virgins waiting on the other side.. but at least this 500 ft of oil pipeline is now secure.

    Either stay out of shit, or go in FULL, get it done, and ANNEX the country.. make it our own.. or hell.. give sections to allies too.. sounds dirty maybe.. but its much more humane then whats happening now..

    drones flying over the middle eastern skies 24/7. Sure their accuracy is pinpoint.. but a lot of these "Spooks" intelligence is wrong.. so there.. some 17-18 year old air force private, sitting in a shipping container somewhere sucking on a monster energy drinl, thinking he's playing call of duty just killed a family of innocent civilians..

    war should be EYE TO EYE.. and the GENERALS should be on the frontline leading the charge.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/TINFOILH to KK4QBN on Mon Jul 17 12:25:34 2017
    Re: News Alert: US believes N. Korea launched probable ICBM
    By: KK4QBN to Leregard on Sun Jul 16 2017 01:06 pm

    at least this 500 ft of oil pipeline is now secure.

    Either stay out of shit, or go in FULL, get it done, and ANNEX the country.. make it our own.. or hell.. give sections to allies too.. sounds dirty maybe.. but its much more humane then whats happening now..

    We did try that. Never read them, but Iraq and Afghanistan do actually have democratic constitutions that "coincidentally" look a lot like the what the US or European countries have. As far as I can tell though, we thought we'd go into Iraq and Afghanistan (and everywhere else) and set up a democratic constitution and as a kind of formality and the end state was McDonalds and Starbucks and Coca Cola machines.

    It turned out though, rural Aghanistanis are much happier staying that way and fighting to the death over the tiniest patch of farmable land on the side of a hill somewhere, and don't give a fuck about Starbucks.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/TINFOILH to KK4QBN on Mon Jul 17 12:37:23 2017
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    By: Leregard to KK4QBN on Mon Jul 17 2017 12:25 pm

    side of a hill somewhere, and don't give a fuck about Starbucks.

    I think as a whole we REALLY BELIEVED (without especially good evidence) that we are THE BEST, and that everyone loves us and wants to be like us, and the rest of the world were quietly lining up to learn how to be like us and open up Burger King and 7/11 franchises in their communities, and finally be civilized... and that they'd say thank you.

    They are not saying thank you. They are saying wtf is wrong with you?

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  • From Leregard@VERT/TINFOILH to KK4QBN on Mon Jul 17 12:47:49 2017
    Re: News Alert: US believes N. Korea launched probable ICBM
    By: Leregard to KK4QBN on Mon Jul 17 2017 12:37 pm

    They are not saying thank you. They are saying wtf is wrong with you?

    A few of them, shortly before blowing themselves up. Which is a related problem. It's a HUGE problem actually, but the BIGGEST problem is that it's one in which we may or may not have the moral high ground anymore.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/TINFOILH to KK4QBN on Mon Jul 17 12:53:01 2017
    Re: News Alert: US believes N. Korea launched probable ICBM
    By: Leregard to KK4QBN on Mon Jul 17 2017 12:25 pm


    It turned out though, rural Aghanistanis are much happier staying that way and fighting to the death over the tiniest patch of farmable land on the side of a hill somewhere, and don't give a fuck about Starbucks.

    It just hit me for the first time how much conservative gun nuts and poor Afghan farmers have in common. You think the government wants to come and "take your land"? Hahahaha yeah, except in Afghanistan that actually happened.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Leregard on Mon Jul 17 19:15:05 2017
    Re: News Alert: US believes N. Korea launched probable ICBM
    By: Leregard to KK4QBN on Mon Jul 17 2017 12:25:34

    It turned out though, rural Aghanistanis are much happier staying that way and fighting to the death over the tiniest patch of farmable land on the side of a hill somewhere, and don't give a fuck about Starbucks.

    true.. if one can prove ownwership of land through lineage.. then they keep it.. jsut here in the US. I love on the northern end of New Echota, the capital city of the Cherokee nation, all this land belongs to Cherokee, it should rightfully be theirs.. I have a percentage of Cherokee blood, but not really enough to call myself Cherokee.. I'm a mutt through and through.. Enhlish/German/Irish/and Native american.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Leregard on Mon Jul 17 19:19:05 2017
    Re: News Alert: US believes N. Korea launched probable ICBM
    By: Leregard to KK4QBN on Mon Jul 17 2017 12:37:23

    side of a hill somewhere, and don't give a fuck about Starbucks.

    I think as a whole we REALLY BELIEVED (without especially good evidence) that we are THE BEST, and that everyone loves us and wants to be like us, and the rest of the world were quietly lining up to learn how to be like us and open up Burger King and 7/11 franchises in their communities, and finally be civilized... and that they'd say thank you.


    I as a citizen of the US don't believe that one bit.. people want to live how their culture dictates and evolves, and we have no right to change that..

    Thats why I say, War is a BAD thing that should'nt be taken lightly.. we should'nt engage ANYONE unless we are ready to camke a coplete change in the way they live and act.

    thre are other ways to broker deals for piplines.. or finally ween ourselves off fossil fuels.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Leregard on Mon Jul 17 19:21:50 2017
    Re: News Alert: US believes N. Korea launched probable ICBM
    By: Leregard to KK4QBN on Mon Jul 17 2017 12:53:01

    It turned out though, rural Aghanistanis are much happier staying that
    way and fighting to the death over the tiniest patch of farmable land
    on the side of a hill somewhere, and don't give a fuck about
    Starbucks.

    It just hit me for the first time how much conservative gun nuts and poor Afghan farmers have in common. You think the government wants to come and "take your land"? Hahahaha yeah, except in Afghanistan that actually happened. [0m

    I hope that was'nt directed toward me, (1) I'm not conservitive. (2) I DO NOT own a gun. (3) then land I live own, (and paid for) I don't consider my own. I consider it a part of the cherokee nation.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/REALITY to KK4QBN on Thu Jul 20 06:19:22 2017
    Re: News Alert: US believes N. Korea launched probable ICBM
    By: KK4QBN to Leregard on Mon Jul 17 2017 07:21 pm

    I hope that was'nt directed toward me, (1) I'm not conservitive. (2) I DO NO

    It wasn't.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/REALITY to KK4QBN on Thu Jul 20 06:36:04 2017
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    By: KK4QBN to Leregard on Mon Jul 17 2017 07:19 pm

    I as a citizen of the US don't believe that one bit.. people want to live ho their culture dictates and evolves, and we have no right to change that..

    On the one hand, I agree with this... but on the other hand, I think Saudi Arabian women should probably be able to drive cars? And so on...

    There's a fine line between reserving the right to have opinions about other cultures and being the world police...

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